Prospect Thread: James Wiseman

DY_nasty · Post #581 » by **DY_nasty** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:55 pm

trading up is more of a loss than a gain where there difference between the top 3 picks isn't even that significant

UnFadeable21 · Post #582 » by **UnFadeable21** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:56 pm

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We reported last week that the Charlotte Hornets were interested in Wiseman, which may have something to do with scouts and executives hearing the Timberwolves could actually take him No. 1. For Minnesota, creating the perception it wants Wiseman would motivate Charlotte to make a bigger trade offer for the first pick. If Charlotte moves to No. 1 for Wiseman, Minnesota guarantees itself Ball or Edwards while being compensated for dropping two spots.

Picking third instead of first also takes pressure off the Wolves' front office. One rival executive told Bleacher Report, "I'd be scared to death to pick first this year."

The question is what Minnesota would ask for in a deal with Charlotte, and what/whom the Hornets would be willing to trade to jump up two spots. Assuming Graham and P.J. Washington are untouchable, Miles Bridges comes off as a desirable target for Minnesota, though the Hornets would probably balk at adding him in a deal as well.

They could try to sell high on Malik Monk, whose stock may have spiked despite his suspension, which interrupted a streak that had him averaging 17.0 points over his final 13 games. Otherwise, Charlotte has No. 32 overall (via Cavaliers) to offer, as well as future picks.

3 and 32 for number 1 overall?

JMAC3 · Post #583 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:58 pm

I don’t think 3 and 32 is enough value even in this draft.

truthbtold21 · Post #584 » by **truthbtold21** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:12 pm

In his first year if he can provide rim running and rim protection I'm all for it

Post #585 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:27 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:If Charlotte moves to No. 1 for Wiseman, Minnesota guarantees itself Ball or Edwards while being compensated for dropping two spots.

Picking third instead of first also takes pressure off the Wolves' front office. One rival executive told Bleacher Report, "I'd be scared to death to pick first this year."

These are also the reasons for Charlotte to stay at #3.

We stay at #3 and some combination of Wiseman, Ball and Edward will be available- and we won’t have had to give up any assets to get them.

And if the Minnesota front office is scared to death of drafting #1 and selecting the wrong prospect in a suspect draft then why wouldn’t every other front office feel the same way?

Seems like all these recent smoke screen are generated by Minnesota and Golden State who just want out of their draft spots.

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JMAC3 · Post #586 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:39 pm

I think we like all three big prospects with the most uncertainty with Ball.

So even if Ball falls we should have plenty of offers to trade down if we have cold feet. Trading up is honestly the worst move we could make.

Post #587 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:54 pm

BigSlam wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:If Charlotte moves to No. 1 for Wiseman, Minnesota guarantees itself Ball or Edwards while being compensated for dropping two spots.

Picking third instead of first also takes pressure off the Wolves' front office. One rival executive told Bleacher Report, "I'd be scared to death to pick first this year."

These are also the reasons for Charlotte to stay at #3.

We stay at #3 and some combination of Wiseman, Ball and Edward will be available- and we won’t have had to give up any assets to get them.

And if the Minnesota front office is scared to death of drafting #1 and selecting the wrong prospect in a suspect draft then why wouldn’t every other front office feel the same way?

Seems like all these recent smoke screen are generated by Minnesota and Golden State who just want out of their draft spots.

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We also save $2 million a year over the course of the contract picking #3 instead of #1.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #588 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:59 pm

I'm still not convinced that Wiseman is good at basketball in the NBA sense. I don't hate the idea of picking him, but my sense is that many of the players picked after him will have better NBA careers. I don't think that he'll be terrible, just that he isn't going to move the needle much over the next 5-7 years. Will be happy to be proven wrong, but do object to JMA3 saying that we all like the top 3.

Whatever the Hornets do, I'll hope for the best.

Post #589 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:19 am

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:...I don't hate the idea of picking him (Wiseman), but my sense is that many of the players picked after him will have better NBA careers.

I think that could be said about all of the consensus top 3 though?

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Whatever the Hornets do, I'll hope for the best.

Surely we are due - aren’t we? After all the post draft production heart ache we HAVE to be close to finally drafting a home run!!!!

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Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #590 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:31 am

No one is 'due' anything.

Not trying to slam. Just feeling a bit down about the draft in general ATM.

JMAC3 · Post #591 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:43 am

I’m not saying all the fans like the top 3. My point is feels like Hornets like all three, been multiple reports about us taking one of them and my source tells me the same.

Post #592 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:52 am

At this point I'm full fledged give me OO before Wiseman.

UnFadeable21 · Post #593 » by **UnFadeable21** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:15 pm

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3 and Bridges for 1.

Post #594 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:48 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:

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3 and Bridges for 1.

This is the James Wiseman thread, not the fake trade thread.

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UnFadeable21 · Post #595 » by **UnFadeable21** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:52 pm

BigSlam wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:

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3 and Bridges for 1.

This is the James Wiseman thread, not the fake trade thread.

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Read on Twitter

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UnFadeable21 · Post #596 » by **UnFadeable21** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:00 pm

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-draft-2020-why-warriors-plans-hinge-hornets-james-wiseman-interest

o prospect has been mentioned alongside the Warriors in NBA draft conversations more as of late than Memphis center James Wiseman. The Warriors’ only question mark in the starting lineup for the 2020-21 season comes at the five, as Marquese Chriss and Kevon Looney, both of whom are closer to power forwards, represent the only options on the current roster at center.N

Wiseman is 7-foot-1 and would give the Warriors size in the frontcourt that sorely was missed a season ago.

But as ESPN’s Brian Windhorst explained Monday afternoon, the Warriors aren’t the only team who has expressed strong interest in Wiseman, as the Charlotte Hornets, who own the No. 3 pick, also are in need of a star in the frontcourt.

“The big thing for Golden State is what Charlotte does,” Windhorst said on “The Jump.” “Charlotte is very interested in James Wiseman, and could move up to No. 1 to take him.”

Multiple reports have popped up in recent days detailing the Hornets’ particular interest in Wiseman, and it’s no secret that both the Minnesota Timberwolves and Warriors have looked into potentially trading down with such little uncertainty in this year’s class.

If Wiseman indeed is the player most coveted by the Warriors’ front office, but gets selected No. 1 overall by Charlotte.

Rays Pompadour · Post #597 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:04 pm

I think rumors and reports coming out of Charlotte might be more accurate than other clubs because Mitch Kupchak is just not a dude who plays games. He'll make a deal, but he won't offer information ahead of time or lie about it to gain an edge. Credibility means something to him, and that's why he won't manipulate. Also means he's likely to be a hard case in negotiations, so you get the good with the good if you're a Hornets fan. What you WON'T get is Danny Ainge.

Post #598 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:35 pm

There Wiseman reports are like a week old, nothing new.

countryboi · Post #599 » by **countryboi** » Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:37 am

yosemiteben wrote:There Wiseman reports are like a week old, nothing new.

Didnt Mitch say anything before Monday or Tuesday about draft trades is smoke??

wilson115 · Post #600 » by **wilson115** » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:57 pm

Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman, who do we trust as far as owning up to fixing his weaknesses?

Toppert spent years as a player development coach with the Phoenix Suns organization before joining the Memphis staff last season, so he has a good idea how Wiseman will translate to the NBA.

"His shot profile in EYBL was not a byproduct of him," Toppert said. "It was just a byproduct of him not understanding what analytically-forward, progressive shot profiles should look like."

"He's already surrendered to coaching," Toppert said. "He understands that he doesn't know everything, and he's a guy that when you tell him once, he actually does a really good job of being like, 'OK I got that.' ... He's a guy who's willing to be led. He's willing to be coached. He wants to get better."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2020-making-the-case-for-james-wiseman-as-best-player-in-the-class-ahead-of-lamelo-ball/