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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#581 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jul 6, 2024 11:33 am

bravor wrote:Knowing when to tank and when not would do this team a blessing. It's pure nonsense not to tank in one of the most loaded draft, esp. after the 24th one.
Being on top of the lottery means leverage, picking bpa or better fit.
Not being amont the 3 worst teams in 2025 would be dumb, there is no other word, even with Lamelo's extention starting to click

Likewise, throwing away Dallas/Heat 1st like candies is something i would not do. I 'd rather trade one of Charlotte's 1st from 27/28 before those, because you can control what you doing here but nobody knows how the heat/dallas will evolve. Dallas in particular have a limited window to perform, as Doncic despite his age has been playing heavily since he's 15. Considering how he manages his body, i highly doubt it wont take its toll sooner than later. And anyway, they will have to retool their roster sooner than later.
Heat will probably have to rebuild as well pretty soon, it would be silly to trade that pick (even if they, as usual, hit gold in the draft and in FA).

It's not sexy, but last 2nd pick was B. Miller and last 3rd pick has been Lamelo Ball. Trying to hit the jackpot in the low 10ies or in the 6 7 8 9 area is nothing but a guarantee especially here (sorry for opening an open door as we say here).

I have no problem to advocate learning to win etc from 2025.


The Heat and Mavs 1sts have some downside. The Heat is a premiere market. They can buy rosters overnight if need be. The Mavs have Luka to attract free agents (like Kyrie and Klay).

Luka is young. All these players would love to play in Miami or with superstars like Luka.

We could be trading 2 measely late 1sts for Ingram in his prime.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#582 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Jul 6, 2024 11:38 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
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Because you gave to factor in Millers eventual deal and Mark if he pans out. Melo definitely isn't a 20 5 5 player when healthy.
Somehow Ingram has made an all-star team being a 20/5/5 player... :roll:


Somehow that's what he averaged last season. Watch basketball

Yikes!

I'm done here you judging players off 1 season tells me all I need to know.

Learn the full history of basketball. :D
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#583 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Jul 6, 2024 11:42 am

JDR720 wrote:Even if you think Ingram is better than Miles and is worth trading for, he isn't a viable 3rd option here. He's not a defender, a passer or even that good a 3pt shooter.

If you want to build a "Big 3" then the 3rd guy needs to be versatile or really good at something, but Ingram projects as a worse Brandon Miller.

This is basically what the Suns did when they got Beal when they already had Booker. And Ingram, like Beal, gets hurt a bunch.

Beal is already 31 and he a bad fit because the Suns don't have a PG.

Melo is on a max at 22 and has been injured more than Beal and Ingram. Nobody is making a big deal about that.

Ingram is just a few years removed from being a all-star. For all his flaws he's still better than Miles as a player and as a man. If we trying to change the culture and we have a opportunity to get better we have to consider it.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#584 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Jul 6, 2024 11:52 am

If Ingram was a FA he would be signed by now.

Bridges a FA and can't even get someone to offer him a contract. Yet somehow people are trying to convince me Bridges is a better option than the actual guy who has made an all-star team in a loaded West.

Tbh the only reason I want Miles back is because there aren't any FA's who are better that would come here. We are basically stuck with him or try and trade him for whatever little value we can get. If Ingram was a realistic option you damn right I would jump all over it.

Saying that this is all just talk no need to get in my feelings about trade chatter. My point was Ingram is flat out better than Bridges. That's not a debate in my eyes. Any GM would likely tell you the same.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#585 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jul 6, 2024 11:56 am

Any GM would love to upgrade Miles to Brandon Ingram.

Medicals have to check out.

So let's just drop that angle of debate.

No one is clamoring to pay for damaged goods.

The discussion is about upgrading Miles for a player whose medicals check out.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#586 » by Bassman » Sat Jul 6, 2024 12:21 pm

Ingram is an upgrade of talent, but isn’t a team baller that will help form an effective big 3 here. Yes he’s good in isolation, but because of that he is a vortex with the ball in his hand…disappears from other players. How well would these guys mesh with that?

Secondly, trading Miles and lots of draft capital for him still leaves us without a PF. We could play Grant and have Salaun try his best off the bench, but I’d kinda like a quality big in front of that rotation.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#587 » by LofJ » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:08 pm

CLT Out: Bridges, Bertans
CLT In: Ingram

CLE Out: Allen
CLE In: Bridges

NO Out: Ingram
NO In: Allen and Bertans

Thought about what a potential trade for Ingram might look like combined with the Cavs supposed interest in Miles. I think we'd probably have to include at least one first going to Cleveland, but the above seems like a possible outline for a trade.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#588 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:30 pm

Bassman wrote:Ingram is an upgrade of talent, but isn’t a team baller that will help form an effective big 3 here. Yes he’s good in isolation, but because of that he is a vortex with the ball in his hand…disappears from other players. How well would these guys mesh with that?

Secondly, trading Miles and lots of draft capital for him still leaves us without a PF. We could play Grant and have Salaun try his best off the bench, but I’d kinda like a quality big in front of that rotation.


LaMelo & Miller are primary and secondary playmakers. So as part of a Big 3, there's space for an isolation player.

Jayson Tatum played the 4 for the Celtics in many playoff rotations. With Mark at the 5, you can play Ingram there. He can defend 4's with his length. When the bigger PF like Randle bully him, they still have to contend with Mark and shoot off balance midrange jumpers and fadeaways. Ingram just has to stay in front of the quick stretch 4's. He's a better defender than Miles even at the 4.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#589 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:38 pm

LofJ wrote:CLT Out: Bridges, Bertans
CLT In: Ingram

CLE Out: Allen
CLE In: Bridges

NO Out: Ingram
NO In: Allen and Bertans

Thought about what a potential trade for Ingram might look like combined with the Cavs supposed interest in Miles. I think we'd probably have to include at least one first going to Cleveland, but the above seems like a possible outline for a trade.


The outline is sound. I like how you roped in Cleveland and Allen for the Pelicans as I targeted Detroit and Beef Stew for them.

All teams benefit in your proposal. Miles is carrying the value of a first round pick here, because Allen is worth 2 firsts. Thus, I agree we owe the Cavs a 1st. The Miami pick is lottery protected for one draft so that could be pick 15 or worse.

I'm flexible on the filler player if Pelicans insist on a better rotation piece than Bertans. The deal doesn't collapse if they insist on Micic or Martin. I'm gonna deflect off NSJ, Grant, Green, Mann. I'd like to keep them for the bench.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#590 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:39 pm

Lineup would be:

LaMelo
Green
Miller
Ingram
Mark

Pretty killer.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#591 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:41 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Lineup would be:

LaMelo
Green
Miller
Ingram
Mark

Pretty killer.


Decent bench

Micic/Reggie?
Mann/NSJ
Salaun
Grant/Poku
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#592 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:44 pm

Yes! Now move on Paul Reed!

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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#593 » by LofJ » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:53 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
LofJ wrote:CLT Out: Bridges, Bertans
CLT In: Ingram

CLE Out: Allen
CLE In: Bridges

NO Out: Ingram
NO In: Allen and Bertans

Thought about what a potential trade for Ingram might look like combined with the Cavs supposed interest in Miles. I think we'd probably have to include at least one first going to Cleveland, but the above seems like a possible outline for a trade.


The outline is sound. I like how you roped in Cleveland and Allen for the Pelicans as I targeted Detroit and Beef Stew for them.

All teams benefit in your proposal. Miles is carrying the value of a first round pick here, because Allen is worth 2 firsts. Thus, I agree we owe the Cavs a 1st. The Miami pick is lottery protected for one draft so that could be pick 15 or worse.

I'm flexible on the filler player if Pelicans insist on a better rotation piece than Bertans. The deal doesn't collapse if they insist on Micic or Martin. I'm gonna deflect off NSJ, Grant, Green, Mann. I'd like to keep them for the bench.


I figured the Pelicans might value Bertans ability to space the floor for Zion. They've been after Jarrett Allen for years, so I imagine they wouldn't get too greedy knowing how weak they are at center. This trade solves that problem for them.

Not sure how much Cleveland values Allen, but in a vacuum Bridges and a 1st seems like a good return.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#594 » by SWedd523 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:54 pm

LofJ wrote:CLT Out: Bridges, Bertans
CLT In: Ingram

CLE Out: Allen
CLE In: Bridges

NO Out: Ingram
NO In: Allen and Bertans

Thought about what a potential trade for Ingram might look like combined with the Cavs supposed interest in Miles. I think we'd probably have to include at least one first going to Cleveland, but the above seems like a possible outline for a trade.

If Cleveland is trading Allen for Bridges why wouldnt we just do that trade straight up?

Allen much more useful to this team than Miller's oft-injured alter ego
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#595 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:58 pm

LofJ wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
LofJ wrote:CLT Out: Bridges, Bertans
CLT In: Ingram

CLE Out: Allen
CLE In: Bridges

NO Out: Ingram
NO In: Allen and Bertans

Thought about what a potential trade for Ingram might look like combined with the Cavs supposed interest in Miles. I think we'd probably have to include at least one first going to Cleveland, but the above seems like a possible outline for a trade.


The outline is sound. I like how you roped in Cleveland and Allen for the Pelicans as I targeted Detroit and Beef Stew for them.

All teams benefit in your proposal. Miles is carrying the value of a first round pick here, because Allen is worth 2 firsts. Thus, I agree we owe the Cavs a 1st. The Miami pick is lottery protected for one draft so that could be pick 15 or worse.

I'm flexible on the filler player if Pelicans insist on a better rotation piece than Bertans. The deal doesn't collapse if they insist on Micic or Martin. I'm gonna deflect off NSJ, Grant, Green, Mann. I'd like to keep them for the bench.


I figured the Pelicans might value Bertans ability to space the floor for Zion. They've been after Jarrett Allen for years, so I imagine they wouldn't get too greedy knowing how weak they are at center. This trade solves that problem for them.

Not sure how much Cleveland values Allen, but in a vacuum Bridges and a 1st seems like a good return.


The issue for the Cavs here might be cap space. Miles wants far north of 20 million (Allen's salary).

Cap is not an issue with Detroit. Beef Stew is a better spacer than Allen. Pelicans were also after Myles Turner. I think they need rim protection plus spacing but will have to settle for one or the other. How many centers can do both like Myles Turner?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#596 » by LofJ » Sat Jul 6, 2024 3:04 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
LofJ wrote:CLT Out: Bridges, Bertans
CLT In: Ingram

CLE Out: Allen
CLE In: Bridges

NO Out: Ingram
NO In: Allen and Bertans

Thought about what a potential trade for Ingram might look like combined with the Cavs supposed interest in Miles. I think we'd probably have to include at least one first going to Cleveland, but the above seems like a possible outline for a trade.

If Cleveland is trading Allen for Bridges why wouldnt we just do that trade straight up?

Allen much more useful to this team than Miller's oft-injured alter ego


If Mark can't be relied upon I wholeheartedly agree that we should just trade for Allen ourselves. And on the flipside if he's healthy we'd have an incredible center rotation, and we'd free up the possibility of moving Richards for a draft asset. I don't hate it, but if we're moving on from Miles I think would be preferable to get someone that can replace some of his scoring.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#597 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Jul 6, 2024 3:59 pm

LofJ wrote:CLT Out: Bridges, Bertans
CLT In: Ingram

CLE Out: Allen
CLE In: Bridges

NO Out: Ingram
NO In: Allen and Bertans

Thought about what a potential trade for Ingram might look like combined with the Cavs supposed interest in Miles. I think we'd probably have to include at least one first going to Cleveland, but the above seems like a possible outline for a trade.

This is actually a damn good trade we most likely would have to send a 1st to Cleveland as you mentioned. Other than that I can see this happening for all teams.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#598 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:09 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
LofJ wrote:CLT Out: Bridges, Bertans
CLT In: Ingram

CLE Out: Allen
CLE In: Bridges

NO Out: Ingram
NO In: Allen and Bertans

Thought about what a potential trade for Ingram might look like combined with the Cavs supposed interest in Miles. I think we'd probably have to include at least one first going to Cleveland, but the above seems like a possible outline for a trade.

If Cleveland is trading Allen for Bridges why wouldnt we just do that trade straight up?

Allen much more useful to this team than Miller's oft-injured alter ego

Who's replacing the 20ppg that we lose with Bridges?

Allen is better, but we need scoring if we trading Miles. We gonna have a 2 man led offense after that trade. Ingram is a better option imo.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#599 » by Diop » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:21 pm

Ingram will pass his medical and still only play 50 games, he’s another Hayward. No thanks.

I don’t think he fits the culture they’re trying to build here either
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#600 » by SWedd523 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:33 pm

Jarrett Allen was 16.5/10.5 last year as the 4th (or 5th?) option.

It seems like a comfortable bet to assume he can add a bucket to that as the 3rd option here next year.

And he played 77 games


can we stop acting like 20ppg is some mythical bar? Oubre did that off the bench and got a minimum deal for it.

Allen is unquestionably the better, more reliable player and a better fit to boot.

Neither one is coming here anyway
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