Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #61 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 3:55 pm

Well one thing is for sure. The national media stopped calling Jordan / the Bobcats cheap after last year's run at Hump. If nothing else going after guys like Jefferson lets the free agents know that the front office is willing to spend.

Post #62 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 4:23 pm

heard on the radio this morning that jefferson has no interest in the bobcats. however, i havent found any links to confirm that. common sense tells me jefferson would only go to cats as a last resort after striking out for a big deal with playoff teams and the jazz.

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amcoolio · Post #64 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 4:29 pm

I think best case scenerio would be to stand pat this offseason.

The fans can scream all they want but a top 5 pick is worth more than any FA this offseason than Dwight or Paul.

Since we obviously aren't getting either of those I'll take the possible 3 picks next year. Hopefully enough to trade into the top 3 if we pick 4th or 5th.

Post #65 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 4:34 pm

we need to be one of the 10 worst teams next year to get that 2014 pick as others pointed out. if we pick 11th it goes to the bulls. chance we could add jefferson and still be bottom 10. jefferson has never had the ability to translate what he does to wins.

based on pistons being aggressive in free agency we will most likely get their pick next year. i cant see them finishing in the bottom 8. doubt we get the blazers pick next year. they seem closer to blowing it up than to going for playoffs.

Post #66 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 4:36 pm

i am not at all against trying to get better and win next year, but i dont really think jefferson is the right piece for us considering his price tag. the fans who watch this team deserve a better product, but at what cost?

Liver_Pooty · Post #67 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:04 pm

I can easily see this as a "well we tried to sign a good free agent, but it just didn't workout" and then sign a JJ Hickson to appease the fan base.

MasterIchiro · Post #68 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:06 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:I can easily see this as a "well we tried to sign a good free agent, but it just didn't workout" and then sign a JJ Hickson to appease the fan base.

...when Hickson was the target all along.

But I'm still suspicious if ownership (more than just MJ) can endure another season in the tank.

mrknowitall215 · Post #69 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:25 pm

As long as Charlotte hold onto the Portland & Detroit 1st rounders, I see no reason why they shouldn't pursue Al Jefferson. Although the 2015 draft class may not be as talented as 2014, Charlotte should be able to land 2 lottery picks in that draft to add to the success they'd be having with Jefferson & etc. already on board

ChoNet · Post #70 » by **ChoNet** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:38 pm

I love the idea of him mentoring Biyombo and Zeller (like he did for Kanter and Favors). The team could use his leadership and clubhouse presence. But I doubt Big Al is interested in another rebuilding situation, we'll have to most likely overpay to get him.

mrknowitall215 · Post #71 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:41 pm

ChoNet wrote:I love the idea of him mentoring Biyombo and Zeller (like he did for Kanter and Favors). The team could use his leadership and clubhouse presence. But I doubt Big Al is interested in another rebuilding situation, we'll have to most likely overpay to get him.

I have to believe that if Charlotte could add Al Jefferson that they could become playoff contenders/pretenders that could finish anywhere between the 7-10th seed in the Eastern Conference. I know the 7-10th seed doesn't sound too appealing, but unless the Bobcats plan on adding multiple future HOF'ers like the Celtics did in 2007 or Heat in 2010, then that is a good start for an up & coming team

Eoghan · Post #72 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:47 pm

Tank or no tank Jefferson is going to get grossly overpaid. He's one of the worst defenders in the NBA for a big if not the worst and I agree with Bonnell for once, he's been playing in the NBA since high school and the tread is going to start showing pretty soon. He's only going to get older, slower, and worse on defense. He is basically the big man version of Ben Gordon, anything he gives you on offense is negated by terrible defense.

Utah loves to be competitive and vie for a playoff spot and they're perfectly fine with letting him walk in favor of their green bigs. Think about it.

And even if we add him for a decent contract where is the advantage? Are the fans going to get excited about narrowly missing the playoffs or getting swept in the first round b/c that's best case scenario. Mediocrity is why we blew the team up in the first place.

amcoolio · Post #73 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:50 pm

ChoNet wrote:I love the idea of him mentoring Biyombo and Zeller (like he did for Kanter and Favors). The team could use his leadership and clubhouse presence. But I doubt Big Al is interested in another rebuilding situation, we'll have to most likely overpay to get him.

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BlackOutBuzz · Post #74 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:51 pm

fatlever wrote:we need to be one of the 10 worst teams next year to get that 2014 pick as others pointed out. if we pick 11th it goes to the bulls. chance we could add jefferson and still be bottom 10.

And with the lottery system we could finish as bad (good?) as 8th worst and still potentially lose it.

I'm a big fan of Al, and I certainly think he has at least 4 quality years left, I'm just not sure he's best for us right now. I wouldn't complain too much though.

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SWedd523 · Post #75 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:12 pm

I don't want to pay big money to Jefferson. This guy couldn't even guard me in the post. Let some other team make that mistake please

Red Larrivee · Post #76 » by **Red Larrivee** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 7:45 pm

KembaWalker wrote:i already said what I'd do if we screw up and get a pick in the 5-10 range. you take your decent prospect and you keep your young core going in a pacers-eqsue fashion. Al Jeffersons are available every single year. you get that guy to put you over the top. we arent at the point where our young core is ready to be put over the top. we still need to get it set up. if we're good enough to pick 10 next year on the virtue of our current young players id be totally fine with that. that would be more positive to me than picking 15th because we added Al Jefferson

Jefferson isn't the type who puts a team over the top by himself. He operates as a stud within a team attack. That's why I don't get the argument that signing Jefferson would make the Bobcats too good right now. They likely would still be a 24-30 win team.

Just for comparison, the lottery winners since 2005 have an average win total of 27 games. Since 1990, the team with the worst record has won the lottery twice.

Just don't overpay Jefferson or a player like him (Smith, Bynum). They can't let the tank card get in the way of making improvements to the team right now. At least show that you're trying. That's all fans want to see.

Makaveli92 · Post #77 » by **Makaveli92** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 8:23 pm

I the Bobcats can get Al they better go all out, anybody is better than Biz Im sorry.

MasterIchiro · Post #78 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 8:29 pm

If Jefferson signs then our main frontcourt rotation is set with Jefferson, Biyombo and Zeller.

This allows the Bobcats to focus on scoring in the 2014 draft which is rich with wing scorers.

We would still finish with a pick above 10, plus DET and POR picks. In all that, hopefully we could find a go-to scorer.

JT2006 · Post #79 » by **JT2006** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 8:31 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:Just don't overpay Jefferson or a player like him (Smith, Bynum). They can't let the tank card get in the way of making improvements to the team right now. At least show that you're trying. That's all fans want to see.

that's what we fear. bigs are overpaid in this league

MasterIchiro · Post #80 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 8:35 pm

Some call him one-dimensional. While he is extremely talented offensively, and almost the exact opposite defensively, those are hardly the only things he’ll bring to (or leave off) the table wherever he lands.

He’s a good rebounder and a solid passer. Amongst centers, Jefferson was 10th in rebounds per game and ninth in assists per game last season.

Another reason some say the ‘Cats shouldn’t go after him goes something like this: “Hold steady. Continue with the rebuilding process”.

First: Why can’t Jefferson be part of that process?

Second: Jefferson would speed that process up.

Third: That process hasn’t worked for Charlotte since they blew the team up after their only trip to the post season.

Yes, the draft is loaded next season.

No, the Bobcats are not guaranteed a shot at drafting Andrew Wiggins. If any team has proven that a (really) bad record rarely leads to the best draft pick, that team is Charlotte.

http://robertogato.com/2013/07/01/pursu ... e-bobcats/