Barbeque Chicken: The Cody Zeller Thread - Pt 2

MasterIchiro · Post #61 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 5:48 pm

The Bobcats have played 74 games so far. Only one Bobcat has appeared in all 74 games. Cody Zeller.

mrknowitall215 · Post #62 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 7:46 pm

Projecting breakouts for 2014-15
Can late-season NBA breakouts portend the same for the following season?

1. Cody Zeller

Post-All-Star-break improvement percentage: 17.5 | Age: 22

Zeller's translated college performance had me touting him as a Rookie of the Year candidate, but he struggled for most of the season. He's lived up to the billing of late, ranking second in post-All-Star WARP to a player a couple of spots down on the list. His playing time hasn't changed, but his true shooting percentage has jumped from .445 to .588.
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2. Tobias Harris
3. Gorgui Dieng
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Ryan Kelly

Post #63 » by **JDR720** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 8:06 pm

Cody is a beast, and also hasn't Harris and Kawhi already broken out

Post #64 » by **fatlever** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 3:12 am

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/0 ... zt8AVfijQs

Elden Payton · Post #65 » by **Elden Payton** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 3:37 am

Cheers for the link fats.

Glad to see Cody getting some shine.

Liver_Pooty · Post #66 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 3:39 am

Sik Infant wrote:Cheers for the link fats.

Glad to see Cody getting some shine.

Basically reiterating what you and I have been saying all along

Elden Payton · Post #67 » by **Elden Payton** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 3:51 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Cheers for the link fats.

Glad to see Cody getting some shine.

Basically reiterating what you and I have been saying all along

His rookie season reminds me of Greg Monroe's in many ways.

Looked like he didn't belong in the league for the first half, then looked ok for a stretch and then really shocked people with his strong play to end the season.

countryboi · Post #68 » by **countryboi** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 12:14 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Projecting breakouts for 2014-15
Can late-season NBA breakouts portend the same for the following season?

1. Cody Zeller

Post-All-Star-break improvement percentage: 17.5 | Age: 22

Zeller's translated college performance had me touting him as a Rookie of the Year candidate, but he struggled for most of the season. He's lived up to the billing of late, ranking second in post-All-Star WARP to a player a couple of spots down on the list. His playing time hasn't changed, but his true shooting percentage has jumped from .445 to .588.
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2. Tobias Harris
3. Gorgui Dieng
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Ryan Kelly

I think Kawhi Leonard is has good as he is ever going to be. people keep waiting on him to be a star and thats just not his game

mrknowitall215 · Post #69 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 5:31 pm

David Thorpe's Analysis

Cody Zeller should study Kevin Love. A terrific athlete with short arms, Zeller must cope with the NBA reality that the closer you get to the rim, the more devastating it is having short arms. On the bright side, he has a smooth and simple perimeter shot, which is benefited somewhat by those same arms (shorter limbs make it easier to have a cleaner shot). If he wants to add value to his athletic game, then becoming a "stretch" big is a great solution. So who better to follow than the best rebounding/shooting power forward ever?
Love is not as short-armed as Zeller, but his compact shot looks like that of a shorter-armed man. It is a great and efficient stroke that he can get off quickly. Love also has improved a lot at how to find open 3s, though he still could improve in this area considering he has been shooting from long distance for only a few seasons.

Zeller is already one of the best rebounders in this class. If he adds a 3-point shot to his arsenal he guarantees himself a long career at least as a rotation player and quite possibly as a starter (if his team has a low-post scorer starting alongside him).

HornetJail · Post #70 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 6:47 pm

Let's let Zeller perfect a wide-open 15-foot jumper before he starts shooting threes.

mrknowitall215 · Post #71 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 6:58 pm

I still have yet to see GodZeller attempt a 3-pointer. I shudder at the thought of the result. However, David Thorpe has a point to a certain extent, whereas if Zeller develop the jump shot that made Cho push the blank envelope to us fans that he could be a stretch 4, it would make him a more than serviceable player. As of now, he's just a garbage baskets, junkyard dog, energy guy, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he could be more with that jump shot

MasterIchiro · Post #72 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 7:12 pm

I don't think he's strictly a garbage collector at all. It requires skill to get to the rim like he does. He can dribble past defenders to get to the rack. I think with a jump shot he could start on a title contender. He doesn't have to shoot 3's. He has good shooting form, rotation and arc on his jumper. I think earlier he just didn't have the poise, confidence or conditioning to shoot with any consistency. He played scared and small.

It won't be long before he will make defenders pay for backing off. He has far more potential than MKG imo and most here swing from his nuts like Tarzan.

Liver_Pooty · Post #73 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 7:17 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:I don't think he's strictly a garbage collector at all. It requires skill to get to the rim like he does. He can dribble past defenders to get to the rack. I think with a jump shot he could start on a title contender. He doesn't have to shoot 3's. He has good shooting form, rotation and arc on his jumper. I think earlier he just didn't have the poise, confidence or conditioning to shoot with any consistency. He played scared and small.

It won't be long before he will make defenders pay for backing off. He has far more potential than MKG imo and most here swing from his nuts like Tarzan.

Zeller has as much or more potential than any of our young guys, including MKG in my opinion.

countryboi · Post #74 » by **countryboi** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 7:27 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I don't think he's strictly a garbage collector at all. It requires skill to get to the rim like he does. He can dribble past defenders to get to the rack. I think with a jump shot he could start on a title contender. He doesn't have to shoot 3's. He has good shooting form, rotation and arc on his jumper. I think earlier he just didn't have the poise, confidence or conditioning to shoot with any consistency. He played scared and small.

It won't be long before he will make defenders pay for backing off. He has far more potential than MKG imo and most here swing from his nuts like Tarzan.

Zeller has as much or more potential than any of our young guys, including MKG in my opinion.

Bingo Zeller has the potential to be the best player on this team. the only thing holding him back is how hard is willing to work for it

Post #75 » by **JDR720** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 7:36 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Let's let Zeller perfect a wide-open 15-foot jumper before he starts shooting threes.

for all we know he might be one of those weird players that shoots 40% on threes and cant make midrange shots

mrknowitall215 · Post #76 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 8:32 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:I don't think he's strictly a garbage collector at all. It requires skill to get to the rim like he does.

It's not necessarily a skill. The accurate term for being able to get to the rim like he does is called 'athleticism' beyond most players at his respective position & height, and that's the reason why people believe if he can add 'skill' to his 'athleticism' that he could become a real difference maker

I will give GodZeller one thing though that could be considered a skill, he's shown a knack that draw back to his collegiate years of drawing fouls & getting to the free throw line at a above average rate

MasterIchiro · Post #77 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 8:37 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I don't think he's strictly a garbage collector at all. It requires skill to get to the rim like he does.

It's not necessarily a skill. The accurate term for being able to get to the rim like he does is called 'athleticism' beyond most players at his respective position & height, and that's the reason why people believe if he can add 'skill' to his 'athleticism' that he could become a real difference maker

I will give GodZeller one thing though that could be considered a skill, he's shown a knack that draw back to his collegiate years of drawing fouls & getting to the free throw line at a above average rate

He's also very versatile around the rim shooting with both hands. I think he has a bag of tricks and the reason why he was drafted so high was because his weapons around the rim become so much more potent if he can add a consistent jumper that draws defenders to him.

BeesWax · Post #78 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 11:44 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I don't think he's strictly a garbage collector at all. It requires skill to get to the rim like he does. He can dribble past defenders to get to the rack. I think with a jump shot he could start on a title contender. He doesn't have to shoot 3's. He has good shooting form, rotation and arc on his jumper. I think earlier he just didn't have the poise, confidence or conditioning to shoot with any consistency. He played scared and small.

It won't be long before he will make defenders pay for backing off. He has far more potential than MKG imo and most here swing from his nuts like Tarzan.

Zeller has as much or more potential than any of our young guys, including MKG in my opinion.

Completely disagree here. Both MKG and Biz have shown something that is attributed to basketball talent. Both on the defensive end. Zeller has shown a high motor but really lacks in some of the basics on both ends of the court. His skill set on both ends has a long way to go.

Liver_Pooty · Post #79 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 11:45 pm

jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I don't think he's strictly a garbage collector at all. It requires skill to get to the rim like he does. He can dribble past defenders to get to the rack. I think with a jump shot he could start on a title contender. He doesn't have to shoot 3's. He has good shooting form, rotation and arc on his jumper. I think earlier he just didn't have the poise, confidence or conditioning to shoot with any consistency. He played scared and small.

It won't be long before he will make defenders pay for backing off. He has far more potential than MKG imo and most here swing from his nuts like Tarzan.

Zeller has as much or more potential than any of our young guys, including MKG in my opinion.

Completely disagree here. Both MKG and Biz have shown something that is attributed to basketball talent. Both on the defensive end. Zeller has shown a high motor but really lacks in some of the basics on both ends of the court. His skill set on both ends has a long way to go.

Lol alright. Agree to disagree then.

BeesWax · Post #80 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 11:58 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Zeller has as much or more potential than any of our young guys, including MKG in my opinion.

Completely disagree here. Both MKG and Biz have shown something that is attributed to basketball talent. Both on the defensive end. Zeller has shown a high motor but really lacks in some of the basics on both ends of the court. His skill set on both ends has a long way to go.

Lol alright. Agree to disagree then.

I am starting to think he could develop into a solid player though. He has a long way to go but he has shown some flashes lately. All he needs to do is learn to shoot and work on his defense this summer and he could be a valuable backup next season.