Defensive Reasons - The PJ Hairston Thread

[ball teacher]

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Has lottery talent but he wouldnt get him in the lottery? ok

[mrknowitall215]

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Has lottery talent but he wouldnt get him in the lottery? ok

Sorensen didn't state that he wouldn't draft Hairston in the lottery, but moreso his statement was more directed in the form of the fact that Hairston isn't projected by scouts & experts to be drafted in the lottery. He's supposed to be writing a piece making a strong case for Hairston that'll come out either tonight or tomorrow

[ball teacher]

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Has lottery talent but he wouldnt get him in the lottery? ok

Sorensen didn't state that he wouldn't draft Hairston in the lottery, but moreso his statement was more directed in the form of the fact that Hairston isn't projected by scouts & experts to be drafted in the lottery. He's supposed to be writing a piece making a strong case for Hairston that'll come out either tonight or tomorrow

I'm not arguing that we should get him, I do like him at SG for us, but I'm just not understanding why the guys play isnt the determining factor in his draft position. At least it doesnt seem like that to me.

[mrknowitall215]

I'm not arguing that we should get him, I do like him at SG for us, but I'm just not understanding why the guys play isnt the determining factor in his draft position. At least it doesnt seem like that to me.

Because the NBA is a business first & foremost. If you were a corporate business, would you invest millions of guaranteed dollars into a venture that has crashed in the past when there's other options that don't have a questionable history but have the same or more potential outcome in value?

[ball teacher]

I'm not arguing that we should get him, I do like him at SG for us, but I'm just not understanding why the guys play isnt the determining factor in his draft position. At least it doesnt seem like that to me.

Because the NBA is a business first & foremost. If you were a corporate business, would you invest millions of guaranteed dollars into a venture that has crashed in the past when there's other options that don't have a questionable history but have the same or more potential outcome in value?

You're right and that's a good point, but when you look at what Hairston was in trouble for it was receiving improper gifts. We all know most stars at big schools get improper gifts. You have guys like Jameis Winston getting in trouble for stealing, and being accused of raping chicks, or you have guys who are involved in drugs and real criminal activity,this case with Hairston wasnt anything like that. He had to get released or the school could face sanctions which means a loss of millions of dollars for them.

I understand your point though, I just don't think that his trouble warrants him dropping very far in the draft.

[mrknowitall215]

I'm not arguing that we should get him, I do like him at SG for us, but I'm just not understanding why the guys play isnt the determining factor in his draft position. At least it doesnt seem like that to me.

Because the NBA is a business first & foremost. If you were a corporate business, would you invest millions of guaranteed dollars into a venture that has crashed in the past when there's other options that don't have a questionable history but have the same or more potential outcome in value?

You're right and that's a good point, but when you look at what Hairston was in trouble for it was receiving improper gifts. We all know most stars at big schools get improper gifts. You have guys like Jameis Winston getting in trouble for stealing, and being accused of raping chicks, or you have guys who are involved in drugs and real criminal activity,this case with Hairston wasnt anything like that. He had to get released or the school could face sanctions which means a loss of millions of dollars for them.

I understand your point though, I just don't think that his trouble warrants him dropping very far in the draft.

What about the portion of the Hairston situation where they found him in possession of drugs & guns wouldn't be considered trouble?

[amcoolio]

His release is super quick. No way he lasts til 24.

[BeesWax]

Because the NBA is a business first & foremost. If you were a corporate business, would you invest millions of guaranteed dollars into a venture that has crashed in the past when there's other options that don't have a questionable history but have the same or more potential outcome in value?

You're right and that's a good point, but when you look at what Hairston was in trouble for it was receiving improper gifts. We all know most stars at big schools get improper gifts. You have guys like Jameis Winston getting in trouble for stealing, and being accused of raping chicks, or you have guys who are involved in drugs and real criminal activity,this case with Hairston wasnt anything like that. He had to get released or the school could face sanctions which means a loss of millions of dollars for them.

I understand your point though, I just don't think that his trouble warrants him dropping very far in the draft.

What about the portion of the Hairston situation where they found him in possession of drugs & guns wouldn't be considered trouble?

They were not his they were in another guy in the cars possession. They may have taken the rap for him which is possible in these situations.

[TheKingofSting2]

Take a deep breath and think, does this guy really fit Cho's C for Character?

[ball teacher]

Because the NBA is a business first & foremost. If you were a corporate business, would you invest millions of guaranteed dollars into a venture that has crashed in the past when there's other options that don't have a questionable history but have the same or more potential outcome in value?

You're right and that's a good point, but when you look at what Hairston was in trouble for it was receiving improper gifts. We all know most stars at big schools get improper gifts. You have guys like Jameis Winston getting in trouble for stealing, and being accused of raping chicks, or you have guys who are involved in drugs and real criminal activity,this case with Hairston wasnt anything like that. He had to get released or the school could face sanctions which means a loss of millions of dollars for them.

I understand your point though, I just don't think that his trouble warrants him dropping very far in the draft.

What about the portion of the Hairston situation where they found him in possession of drugs & guns wouldn't be considered trouble?

Yeah, that's definitely a red flag. The article I read never mentioned it, but even if it wasnt his pistol or drug, teams have a right to have concerns for the fact that at the very least he hangs with questionable people. Now his stock dropping makes sense.

[mrknowitall215]

I'm all for second chances, and I don't think Hairston is a bad guy at all. It's just that I believe that it would be in the best interest of both parties that Hairston doesn't become a millionaire in the same state & vicinity in which his troubles occurred because that makes it all-in-all a higher chance that he may run across that same group of people again

[_tijo_]

UNC apologists make me crazy... PJ was caught up with the wrong crowd, rental car, guns, and drugs. You can deny all you want, but Roy kicked him off the team for a reason, he's not someone who fits in the locker room here with Al, Kemba, MKG, Biz, and CZ. I think Harris may fall to 24, where we take him instead.

Cho doesn't take him, unless MJ makes him. If that happens, we'll see the presser where Rod is all smiles trying to hype up the move, with Cho fuming next to him.

[ball teacher]

I'm all for second chances, and I don't think Hairston is a bad guy at all. It's just that I believe that it would be in the best interest of both parties that Hairston doesn't become a millionaire in the same state & vicinity in which his troubles occurred because that makes it all-in-all a higher chance that he may run across that same group of people again

Right, I'll even add that after the Aaron Hernandez situation in the NFL and Javaris Crittenton with the Wizards, teams will be more cautious when they're dealing with guys with questionable pasts, especially when guns are involved. I really doubt Cho drafts him at 9 over guys like Young or Harris now.

[TheKingofSting2]

I don't think Cho will draft him at all.

[Radu_Hornets]

I think that we could afford this kind of risk at #24 since:

1) the boy may have changed and matured his mind.
2) That guy can really shoot and could become the SG we need.

HOWEVER, if the staff really wants to sign Lance --> Stay away of PJ. We can afford 1 headcase in our strong locker room, but not 2.

[Jungleking]

I think we have unique risks with PJ that will encourage us not to take him. Most of the trouble he got in seemed to be enabled by the people around him, and bringing him back to Charlotte, 2 hours from where he got in trouble, is a tough idea to swallow. I love him as a player and as a fit for the team, but geography's working against us here.

[TheKingofSting2]

I think that we could afford this kind of risk at #24 since:

1) the boy may have changed and matured his mind.
2) That guy can really shoot and could become the SG we need.

HOWEVER, if the staff really wants to sign Lance --> Stay away of PJ. We can afford 1 headcase in our strong locker room, but not 2.

We could afford the risk but hes not a Cho kind of player.

[catch20two]

Enough of this Hairston hopeful stuff. He's a risk with guaranteed money as a 1st rounder at #24. Just give me Jordan Adams if we have to take a wing that can shoot at #24. Lower risk, same production. I already know I'll be replied to with ATHLETICISM, ATHLETICISM, ATHLETICISM.

[LofJ]

I think we have unique risks with PJ that will encourage us not to take him. Most of the trouble he got in seemed to be enabled by the people around him, and bringing him back to Charlotte, 2 hours from where he got in trouble, is a tough idea to swallow. I love him as a player and as a fit for the team, but geography's working against us here.

I agree completely. It would be better for PJ's future if he can get a fresh start far away from North Carolina.

[ARHornet]

I think it would be best to stay away from Hairston. Adams would be a good fit. I like him a lot. I do think if we take a SG at 9 then it would be best to go PG or big at 24. But obviously that comes down to BPA.