Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

HornetJail · Post #61 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 2:09 am

Hawes and Bellinelli and some 2nd rounders if the Knicks are having buyers' remorse and just want some smaller pieces to work with instead of a 4-year deal of that size.

bravor · Post #62 » by **bravor** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 6:55 pm

Considering last play offs, i doubt Lee is an answer for what the Hornets need.

Anyway, back to george Hill, i just read that he would be opened to sign an extension with the Jazz. I thought the extension talks were close ? Or does it mean he would be open to talk about that during next offseason ?

I really hope the Hornets will try to get him, especially considering what was his contract. Something great for both sides could be done.
I cannot find a better upgrade to Sessions at least in the 8/10M range (as long as Hill would agree to sign here for such contract).

Also, since he has an expiring contract, i was wondering if a Lamb/Hill swap would work.

dmutombo321 · Post #63 » by **dmutombo321** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 7:23 pm

Hill is averaging 21.5 pts, 5 assists and shooting over 50% from the field and more than 40% from downtown.

If he continues to play at anywhere close to the level he is right now, not only would Lamb be insufficient to land him but Utah probably wouldnt even do Kemba straight up.

Assuming his stock remains this high come offseason, Hill will easily command 18mil+ a year or more on the open market.

Post #64 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 7:25 pm

Hill is a perfect fit for Utah, they aren't trading him this season. He's going to be key for them come playoff time.

LofJ · Post #65 » by **LofJ** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 8:31 pm

I wanted Hill badly before we ended up signing Lin. We aren't getting him from the Jazz, they traded a lottery pick for him. He's definitely in their future plans. I doubt we'll be able to get him in free agency either because he'll command too much money with the way he's playing.

All that said I bet Cho would be willing to pay to move salary to get him to Charlotte. After this season he'll be a former Spur, Pacer, and Jazz. That pretty much makes him magnetic gold in Cho's eyes.

SWedd523 · Post #66 » by **SWedd523** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:23 pm

I have a feeling Hill's numbers will come back down to earth

BlackOutBuzz · Post #67 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:55 pm

bravor wrote:Anyway, back to george Hill, i just read that he would be opened to sign an extension with the Jazz. I thought the extension talks were close ? Or does it mean he would be open to talk about that during next offseason ?

Extensions on rookie contracts have to be done by Halloween the year of the player's fourth season. Veteran extensions don't have the same restriction, and can be signed up until the day before a player becomes a FA.

We tried to sign Batum to an extension, but he declined. The reason for this is the max raise you can get from an extension is 7.5% over the previous year's salary. That would've made Batum's 2016 salary around $14M, rather than the near $21M he ended up with by waiting.

On that note, I'm not sure Hill was taking these intricacies into account when making this statement. His current salary is $8M, which means the most he could get from an extended contract next year would be $8.6M, with $600k raises each year. That's really low for him, he's easily an 8 figure player.

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bravor · Post #68 » by **bravor** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 10:17 pm

Thanks for the explanations, Bob. I was just curious to read such comments just after the deadline.

As for Utah's goal, honneslty i don't see how they would overpay for Hill if you consider Exum (they made room for him) and Hayward's case (to say the least).
Imo he is at best a trade bait for them, and an insurance to lower the pressure on Exum. I would be extremely surprised if he finishes the season with them. He does not match their probable plan (basicallly contending in 3/4 years).

I agree that landing him here would be a pipedream, but on the other hand, it matches the topic. And we have seen worst.

I am still wondering who are the profiles of combo guards that match GH's profile (good on both ends, with decent size) besides Teague as i am not familiar with all the combo guards who have been drafted recently (and who could be potential targets).

Benjamin Linus · Post #69 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 11:04 pm

Lamb, Sessions, and a 1st for Deron Williams and Justin Anderson

I'm not really sure how to gauge Deron Williams' value. He's playing well, but he could easily leave in the offseason. Plus, I'm sure he wouldn't be too thrilled coming off the bench. Maybe change the 1st to a 2nd? Dallas would pass on that, right?

HornetJail · Post #70 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 11:55 pm

Benjamin Linus wrote:Lamb, Sessions, and a 1st for Deron Williams and Justin Anderson

I'm not really sure how to gauge Deron Williams' value. He's playing well, but he could easily leave in the offseason. Plus, I'm sure he wouldn't be too thrilled coming off the bench. Maybe change the 1st to a 2nd? Dallas would pass on that, right?

Can't see Dallas taking that. I think they move forward with Anderson

sportscrazy · Post #71 » by **sportscrazy** » Fri Nov 4, 2016 2:40 pm

Would the Hornets add anything to a Spencer Hawes and Roy Hibbert for Marcin Gortat trade? If so, what is the most you would add?

LofJ · Post #72 » by **LofJ** » Fri Nov 4, 2016 2:43 pm

Jrue Holiday's wife is recovering from brain surgery at Duke. I think we would be wise to make an offer to New Orleans. If her recovery is going slowly it would be best for Jrue and his wife that he not have to travel as much.

Plus I would like some karmic justice after losing our team to them, losing the CP3 coin flip to them, them jumping us to take AD, and now stealing the all-star game away from us.

Mystical Apples · Post #73 » by **Mystical Apples** » Fri Nov 4, 2016 3:09 pm

sportscrazy wrote:Would the Hornets add anything to a Spencer Hawes and Roy Hibbert for Marcin Gortat trade? If so, what is the most you would add?

Washington deserves at least two 2nds but I can't see CHA accepting a trade for Hawes unless it's an expiring or Player Option likely to be exercised.

Mystical Apples · Post #74 » by **Mystical Apples** » Fri Nov 4, 2016 3:12 pm

LofJ wrote:Jrue Holiday's wife is recovering from brain surgery at Duke. I think we would be wise to make an offer to New Orleans. If her recovery is going slowly it would be best for Jrue and his wife that he not have to travel as much.

Plus I would like some karmic justice after losing our team to them, losing the CP3 coin flip to them, them jumping us to take AD, and now stealing the all-star game away from us.

Sounds like Jrue could return next week.

LofJ · Post #75 » by **LofJ** » Fri Nov 4, 2016 4:20 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:
LofJ wrote:Jrue Holiday's wife is recovering from brain surgery at Duke. I think we would be wise to make an offer to New Orleans. If her recovery is going slowly it would be best for Jrue and his wife that he not have to travel as much.

Plus I would like some karmic justice after losing our team to them, losing the CP3 coin flip to them, them jumping us to take AD, and now stealing the all-star game away from us.

Sounds like Jrue could return next week.

I'd still explore a trade for him, Dell Demps isn't the brightest GM out there.

Braggins · Post #76 » by **Braggins** » Sun Nov 6, 2016 7:00 pm

Hornets get: Greg Monroe (17mil) + Malcolm Brogdon (1mil)

Bucks get: Ramon Sessions (6mil) + Roy Hibbert (5mil) + Marco Belinelli (6mil) + 2nd round pick or protected 1st

The Bucks get a 1st round pick, 11 million in expiring salary (and avoid the possibility of Monroe opting in), and a veteran "shooter" for their bench. We get a go to option on our second unit and a player we could have used our pick on before we threw it away for Belinelli. Not sure if this trade is even good for us, or if Milwaukee would have any interest, but it seemed like an interesting idea.

Kemba/Roberts/?
Batum/Lamb/Harrison
MKG/Brogdon/Graham
Marv/Frank/Wood
Cody/Monroe/Hawes

I'd much rather send out Hawes than Roy, but I assume Milwaukee would rather have Roys guaranteed expiring contract. Having Roberts as the backup PG is pretty brutal, but I'm not convinced he wouldn't be an upgrade over Sessions. I'd probably throw in two 2nds to make this happen. I might even do a highly protected 1st that turns into two seconds.

HornetJail · Post #77 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Nov 6, 2016 9:34 pm

zero interest in Monroe

SWedd523 · Post #78 » by **SWedd523** » Sun Nov 6, 2016 9:46 pm

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:zero interest in Monroe

Eoghan · Post #79 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 6:24 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
MotorKeepsGoing wrote:zero interest in Monroe

I'd rather keep Sessions and Hawes honestly.

Braggins · Post #80 » by **Braggins** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 7:56 pm

I'd definitely rather have Monroe than Hawes and most likely Hibbert (hard to judge on small sample size). I'd rather have Brogdon than Marco. I'd rather just not have Sessions at all. Brogdon is the player I actually want.

As it stands, I have zero faith in our bench to be good enough this season. I think we'll need to make some sort of trade, but we don't have the pieces to get players that are actually sought after, so players like Monroe are probably the best we can hope for unless we want to give up another 1st or lose one of our younger key rotation guys. I don't like Monroe either, but I think we are about as good a home as possible for him. If we can make Al work defensively as a starter, I'm sure we could get away with Monroe on our bench. I'm not sold on the trade even though I posted it, just throwing out ideas.