Frank Kaminsky #2 - Not Extended (UFA)

[yosemiteben]

Who’s “one legged step back” is better between Frank and Batum?

I am kind of shocked that we seem to be encouraging Frank to develop that shot, but my eye test says he doesn't suck at it so maybe it's a good idea?

I think it looks so ugly every time.

[yosemiteben]

Frank in our last 15 - 11 points, 44% FG, 40% 3PT

His last 9 has been the most consistent stretch we've seen out of him. No super crazy highs but only one real dud. 16, 14, 9, 14, 16, 12, 12, 10, 16. 44/45/81 splits. 13.2ppg

Wow, didn't realize that.

If he and MCW can actually play to their potential and Cody gets healthy, maybe that bench will give us the lift I thought it would in the offseason.

[catch20two]

Who’s “one legged step back” is better between Frank and Batum?

I am kind of shocked that we seem to be encouraging Frank to develop that shot, but my eye test says he doesn't suck at it so maybe it's a good idea?

I think it looks so ugly every time.

I’m shocked that we allow Dwight to shoot jumpers early in the shot clock or at any time other than as the shot clock is expiring for that matter too but it is what it is.

I don’t like when either of Frank or Batum do it but I’d prolly give Batum the slight edge since it’s one of his more dependable shots over smaller guards in the post.

[HornetJail]

Frank in our last 15 - 11 points, 44% FG, 40% 3PT

His last 9 has been the most consistent stretch we've seen out of him. No super crazy highs but only one real dud. 16, 14, 9, 14, 16, 12, 12, 10, 16. 44/45/81 splits. 13.2ppg

Wow, didn't realize that.

If he and MCW can actually play to their potential and Cody gets healthy, maybe that bench will give us the lift I thought it would in the offseason.

i won't hold my breath for MCW, but Frank's new-found consistency could stick. He's been under control and has been taking better shots for the most part. I would still trade him for a good backup PG in a heartbeat, as his defense is still atrocious and our backup PG is atrocious, but Frank emerging as an actual contributor should help us.

Lamb supplanting Batum in the starting lineup and Nic moving to the bench unit is probably the best thing that could happen to the bench. Cody/Frank/Graham/Batum/Monk is about as good of a bench unit as we could've asked for. But of course we will keep playing that butthole-clenchingly terrible Michael Carter-Williams.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Who’s “one legged step back” is better between Frank and Batum?

I am kind of shocked that we seem to be encouraging Frank to develop that shot, but my eye test says he doesn't suck at it so maybe it's a good idea?

I think it looks so ugly every time.

http://www.businessinsider.com/dirk-shot-2014-11

http://www.espn.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/2041/kevin-durants-secret-weapon-dirk-nowitzki

I had better link a few days ago but can't find it now. But the TL:DR is that lots of players are copying Dirk's stuff now and that it's a good move for guys with less athleticism. Durant in particular talks about how that shot is becoming more important to his game as a bail out move when defenses take a lot of other stuff away.

[yosemiteben]

Good stuff VG.

[Lwcasu]

I saw he rolled his ankle in the 4th quarter of the Piston's game. If it comes back he's out a few weeks, do we go small or just use O'Bryant more?

[catch20two]

I saw he rolled his ankle in the 4th quarter of the Piston's game. If it comes back he's out a few weeks, do we go small or just use O'Bryant more?

Activate Mangok Mathiang is what I’m expecting from this poor excuse of coaches. Like Jalen Rose says positions were just created so a novice can follow the game. I guess our coaches are novices lol.

[Lwcasu]

I saw he rolled his ankle in the 4th quarter of the Piston's game. If it comes back he's out a few weeks, do we go small or just use O'Bryant more?

Activate Mangok Mathiang is what I’m expecting from this poor excuse of coaches. Like Jalen Rose says positions were just created so a novice can follow the game. I guess our coaches are novices lol.

I actually think O'Bryant is halfway decent considering what I expected out of him. He brings energy, but seems clumsy as all. Just kind of awkward mechanics. That being said, I think we should just go small and shorten up the line-up. Play MKG at the 4 some and play Batum more at the 4. This will never happen, but it's the right choice. Mathiang really shouldn't be getting anything more than 5 minutes a game, and O'Bryant should stay at around 15 when he plays.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

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[catch20two]

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Hahaha. It was inevitable so I don’t want to say I’m right just yet but we’ll see how it play out. Smart coaching would just rotate MKG and Batum to spot minutes at PF while playing Lamb and Treveon more at SG/SF. But I’m so used to these coaches playing players by position and not mixing it up much.

[catch20two]

I saw he rolled his ankle in the 4th quarter of the Piston's game. If it comes back he's out a few weeks, do we go small or just use O'Bryant more?

Activate Mangok Mathiang is what I’m expecting from this poor excuse of coaches. Like Jalen Rose says positions were just created so a novice can follow the game. I guess our coaches are novices lol.

I actually think O'Bryant is halfway decent considering what I expected out of him. He brings energy, but seems clumsy as all. Just kind of awkward mechanics. That being said, I think we should just go small and shorten up the line-up. Play MKG at the 4 some and play Batum more at the 4. This will never happen, but it's the right choice. Mathiang really shouldn't be getting anything more than 5 minutes a game, and O'Bryant should stay at around 15 when he plays.

Yea I like JOB too. He’s skilled and can score in many ways. I just wish he wasn’t so trigger happy. He remind me of Mullens in a way about that.

Smart coaching would do exactly what you said with MKG and Batum but we shall see.

[bravor]

joB is worst than Frank defensively, that says it all. Replace him with a guy like Ed Davis, and you get a good screener sort of do -it-all big from the bench.

[DY_nasty]

JoB is trigger happy DJ White with knees

he's not a rookie or something either...

[catch20two]

I don’t think anyone is advocating JOB as a rotation player in here but he’s solid 3rd string depth. A lot of end of the bench bigs you prolly wouldn’t trust to throw a rock in the ocean but JOB can actually score in multiple ways whether it’s shooting 3s, midrange, posting up, etc.

On topic tho I think Frank may be out for about a week or two. Knowing our training staff and the playoff push the front office is tryna uphold he’ll be back in 1 game.

[Lwcasu]

I don’t think anyone is advocating JOB as a rotation player in here but he’s solid 3rd string depth. A lot of end of the bench bigs you prolly wouldn’t trust to throw a rock in the ocean but JOB can actually score in multiple ways whether it’s shooting 3s, midrange, posting up, etc.

On topic tho I think Frank may be out for about a week or two. Knowing our training staff and the playoff push the front office is tryna uphold he’ll be back in 1 game.

Exactly, for what he is, he's not that bad. And lets be honest, it's not like Frank is that much better. JOB has a better mid-range game, and Frank has a better 3 point game. Actually, a lot of the rest of their game is quite similar. Both suck at defense. Both awkwardly drive to the basket, sometimes even scoring. I'll admit Frank does this better, but he's not exactly great at it. And to top it off, JOB is a better rebounder. Basically both are the definition of average bench players and how ironically post near identical PERs.

Mangok Mathiang on the flip side is not worth a spot in a rotation on a NBA team. He's good at rebounding and that's about it. He averaged a block per game in college, but with a mediocre wing span of 7 feet and almost undersized, you'd think he could at least hit a mid-range jumper or a 3. Of course, maybe he improves and I'm wrong, but from what i've watched of him in the G-league, his inside game is just uncoordinated.

[Hugo The Hornet]

Let's wait for tonight's game to see how they use Mathiang... I don't think they activated him to play him as a rotation guy, I believe we gonna play small while Mathiang will be a backup on the bench until Frank returns.

[LamarMatic7]

I don’t think anyone is advocating JOB as a rotation player in here but he’s solid 3rd string depth. A lot of end of the bench bigs you prolly wouldn’t trust to throw a rock in the ocean but JOB can actually score in multiple ways whether it’s shooting 3s, midrange, posting up, etc.

He's dead last in the league in PPP (0.34) by guys who average at least 1 post up per game. Silas might have force fed him to the point where a player of JOB's caliber was bound to fail. However, nothing from his repertoire in the post makes me a believer. He's one of the worst black holes I've ever seen. Seemingly always has decided that he'll take some particular shot despite whatever obstacles there might be.

3rd string depth (or even Europe) sounds about right. He has enough skills to tease you, but you just can't rely on the guy for consistency. 20, 30 games for the season during injury crisis and blow outs sound about right for him. Maybe he gives you two or three random 10-point outbursts in December and February to help towards an additional win.

[fatlever]

jan = 36%
last 5 = 29%
last 3 = 17%

[JMAC3]

Kaminsky has played his best basketball as a backup center.

I think long term he still has a lot of value. I would look to trade Marvin a the deadline and try to get him some starts before the end of the year.