2018 Trade Deadline Thread

[DY_nasty]

I wish i could find a way to land a superstar on a friendly deal for the price of losing Lamb and Frank, but somehow i can only find something like this

Both Green and Ennis are servicable role players you know. The kind of decent players who do the dirty job generally without blinking and geting all the praise, yet on nice contracts (and tradable..).
Davis is the biggest bet, but he is on a rookie scale contract for another 2 years and only 21. They have plenty of rookies, i consider it's time to move on from Frank. As simple as that. I don't follow the nba enough to know if there are promising bigs elsewhere ( a bit like Cauley-Stein when DMC was still with the kings).

Dreaming is cool but at this point i see the reality and i feel like if no big changes can be done, there are still some to do to consolidate the "losses" without losing everything. If this team gets relevant again by improving its balance (bench, defense vs offense), especially once Cody will be back, then there is just no reason not to do it (or something alike).

the only big change available is moving kemba, hopefully sticking batum with him - getting anything of value back at all would be a small miracle

green and ennis don't move the needle here at all. the only real options the team has is to stick it out with the guys we've got for another year after this one (with or without a coaching change), or blow it up now before the market gets shattered by a completely idiotic trade that skews the value of the entire field.

[yosemiteben]

That's pretty obviously not true. If nothing else, our 2018 draft pick has some real value. We have more choices than just trade Kemba / blow it up or do nothing.

[yosemiteben]

Don't know who this is but for whatever it's worth:

While most of the trade chatter concerning the Bucks has revolved around centers – DeAndre Jordan, Hassan Whiteside, JaVale McGee, etc. – the Bucks have explored obtaining a shooting guard.

League sources said the Bucks had contacted the Hornets about rookie Malik Monk, the 11th overall pick in last June’s draft.

There is apparently a split in the Hornets’ hierarchy as to whether they should keep Monk or move him. Monk has struggled for much of the season, averaging a pedestrian 5.2 points on just 33 percent shooting.

http://woelfelspressbox.com/2018/01/since-kidds-firing-antetokounmpo-looks-devastating/

[DY_nasty]

That's pretty obviously not true. If nothing else, our 2018 draft pick has some real value. We have more choices than just trade Kemba / blow it up or do nothing.

the 2018 pick has more value to us than anything else

how are we gonna include that pick in a trade that improves the team? for the trade partner, that's hustling backwards.

and if there were more choices then i'd like to believe we'd have explored them by now. there's very few minor adjustments that would have a significant effect on our season at this point. a few months ago, cody and marv were good trade pieces to move around with. now? with what we have outside of kemba and dwight, there's nothing worth moving that isn't spiting our future should we decide to bottom out (or if we just plainly continue to suck).

[Snidely FC]

this team starts a 30% 3 pt SG in Batum, MKG at SF who won't even attempt a 3, and Dwight who can't shoot past 3 ft. Backup PG MCW shoots 25% from 3, even Lamb, after a hot start, is down to league average on 3s.

Whose idea was it to populate an expressed 4-out 1-in offense with non-shooters?

This team needs to upgrade shooting in the worst way.

I would trade MKG to NO for E'Twaun Moore + Darius Miller.
Moore & Miller are 40% 3 pt shooters, and MKG is a luxury on an underperforming roster . I don't know why NO would do this trade other than to deliver Ant Davis his friend from Kentucky.

And then trade Jeremy lamb + Malik Monk to MIL for Malcolm Brogdon, Tony Snell & Sterling Brown. Eventually Monk is going to be a far superior scorer to any of them, but Brogdon is exactly what CHA need alongside Kemba, Snell is a top 10 3 pt shooter (look it up!)and Brown doesn't need to develop for 3 yrs, he's already shooting 43% from 3. I'm not sure MIL trades Brogdon - though its more likely since they added Bledsoe - but I would if they would.

Kemba Walker, Malcolm Brogdon, MCW
Nic Batum, Etwaun Moore, Sterling Brown
Tony Snell, Treveon Graham, Darius Miller
Marvin Williams, Frank Kaminsky,
Dwight Howard, Cody Zeller, JOB

maximum versatility with half a dozen guys who avg 40% 3 pt shooting at the guard and wing positions

[chellis]

Don't know who this is but for whatever it's worth:

While most of the trade chatter concerning the Bucks has revolved around centers – DeAndre Jordan, Hassan Whiteside, JaVale McGee, etc. – the Bucks have explored obtaining a shooting guard.

League sources said the Bucks had contacted the Hornets about rookie Malik Monk, the 11th overall pick in last June’s draft.

There is apparently a split in the Hornets’ hierarchy as to whether they should keep Monk or move him. Monk has struggled for much of the season, averaging a pedestrian 5.2 points on just 33 percent shooting.

http://woelfelspressbox.com/2018/01/since-kidds-firing-antetokounmpo-looks-devastating/

Aside from Brogdon, there isn’t much in the price range of Monk that I’m interested in. Not sure MIL goes that route.

[Diop]

If Noah becomes a big headache for the knicks he would be our best chance of getting out of Batum salary. Noah has a prettY crappy contract as well but it’s better than Batum s and some nights he would be handy off the bench instead of Frank as he plays d.

[Diop]

Noah and Jack for Batum.

[HornetJail]

nope

Batum's contract is big, but it's not "trade for 3 years of someone who will just chill on the bench for $18M a year" big.

[Diop]

I think Noah wants to play and can still give you 10 - 15 minutes a night

It’s more a sign on how down I am on Batum

[Diop]

I hate sitting still though, it’s why my nba2k teams become unidentifiable so quickly.

I’d also shop frank and monk for the best available assets to give kemba some different support

[DY_nasty]

nope

Batum's contract is big, but it's not "trade for 3 years of someone who will just chill on the bench for $18M a year" big.

he's a net negative and keeping lamb from progressing into the starter role.

the way he's always injured combined with his steady decline - his contract is going to be devastating

i don't even think we need anything back at all. we'd have to beg a team to take him.

[JMAC3]

Wonder if there is anyway to snag Adebayo from Miami. I think he is going to be a stud.


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[BobsBuddy]

Our Record's 22-29 with 31 games left. There is noway we are going to make the playoffs Kemba and Dwight will want big contracts a year from now. Cleveland is wetting their pants to make a blockbuster trade with us. It's a no brainer decision.... IT'S TIME TO BLOW THIS ROSTER UP.

TC# 7012317
From CLEV
Shumpert Thompson,Thomas,Zizic, Brooklyn's 2018 1st, Cleve 2019 !st
TO CLEV
Howard,Walker,OBryant, Stone,

Let Thomas walk at end of season,sign MCW PG and draft PG with Hornets pick (8-10) Duval PG from Duke?

Brooklyns pick should be{ 4-7} Bridges from Mich State, SF if available,is a franchise player. If you have to package a player with the pick to trade up to get him.

MCW,Monk, Duval
Batum,Lamb,Shumpert
Bridges,MKG,Bacon.... Graham(Greensboro)
Williams,Kaminsky,Thompson F/C
Zellar,Zicic,

2018 48-34 2nd round
2019 55-27 Conf Finals

[stinger14]

I agree with your philosophy here, but after your initial trade, you gotta make better decisions.

No need to keep Thoma's and let him.expire and walk. Trade him to a playoff team for another first round pick this year of next year.

We tank and get a pick in the top 5, BKN pick would be top 8.....This draft looks to have 8 players in the top group, Miles Bridges is not one of them.

[Lwcasu]

I'id be happy with something as small as getting a better backup PG. I saw something like Emmanuel Mudiay mentioned on swarmandsting.com. Honestly, I think that would be the perfect buy low strategy that has worked for Jeremy Lamb and Dwight Howard. At this point, we should play to our strengths. We're not very good at drafting, we suck at signing free agents, and our GM is pretty good at getting value from players that appear to be washed up.

[Marino]

I agree with blowing up the roster but as always, your trades are terrible.


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[_tijo_]

Let's be honest about something. Trading Kemba isn't getting the Brooklyn pick. That's the main piece they wanted back in the Kyrie trade. Howard is a net negative with his contract, JOB and Stone are filler. Even if we are taking back Cleveland's trash, there is no way that deal happens.

The best way for us to get a high first round pick is for us to reduce Kemba's minutes, get Monk some reps at PG, get Bacon some time at SF, and take our lumps for the rest of this season. It helps Monk and Bacon develop, the only way they are going to learn how to play NBA defense is for them to get torched, feel bad about it, and then learn to make the effort. At least there's hope for them to learn, whereas Batum is just who he is... he'll never close out. We will lose lots of games, but the only high pick we're getting is if we make it ourselves.

That being said, I have no confidence that our current coaching staff will be able to develop any pick we have and give him minutes his first year. Trae Young, Marvin Bagley, it doesn't matter. Cliff's not creative enough to think outside the box like a Brad Stephens. He's a good coach, but not a great one. As much as the Van Gundys are good coaches, but have 0 titles to their name.

So honestly, I think MJ cleans house after this season. I think Cho and Cliff both will be gone. For Cho, I think it's a shame, because I totally believe he didn't make the final call on the draft picks, and he has tried to make the best of what he had to work with. He's not a strong enough personality to stand up to MJ and say "No Michael, we have to evaluate this trade offer from Boston instead of just picking Kaminsky. Now get your sons and nephews out of the room!" But I just don't think this current front office works at this point in its structure, it's time for someone new. It might be time for Michael to call Hinkie, and give him the reigns. He has the creativity to get rid of some of the contracts we have, and to reset. Otherwise, it's just going to be more of the same.

[Topofthekey]

I can understand that Hornets want to be as greedy as they can in a Kemba Walker deal.

But by this point, it should be fairly obvious that Hornets aren't going to get as much as they'd like from a Kemba trade. Cavs aren't giving up that BKN 1st. Other teams aren't parting with their young stars for Kemba. Add in the fact that Hornets are also trying to dump some salary in a Kemba trade, it's just too big of an ask.

Hornets could either decide to just keep Kemba and try to rebuild around him, or they could try to roll the dice with some middling prospects (Ntilikina, Mudiay, etc) and dump some salary in the process. It sounds like a terrible deal trading Kemba for someone like Mudiay plus salary dump, but Pacers traded PG for a bad contract (Oladipo) and a draft bust (Sabonis) and look where they are now.

Instead of hanging on to Kemba and keep trying to fight for the 8th playoff spot, Hornets are better off just rolling dice. Even if the results do not pan out, at least they get to tank for their own pick and dump some salary, and get to start anew with a fresh slate

[316Hornets]

With Batum's increased effectiveness these last few games, I think we have to stick to the plan. See what this team is capable of rest of season. Blowing it up seems good, but I just question what type of value we'd receive right now. If somebody would overpay for Kemba, then I think we should make the play, but if it's an offer along the same lines of Detroit's, then I'm happy with treadmilling and watching this team crash and burn.