Fake Trade Thread #5

[fatlever]

Another from buzzbeat

Mason and 2rp to Thunder
For
Bazley and 2025 1rp via Heat

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[SWedd523]

I totally understand surrounding Melo with an arsenal of shooters. He's lethal at creating open looks for shooters. It's just that I'd be targeting 3D types, not just Terry, Oubre clonesis Bones better shooter of dribble or catch?

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I agree with you. Just stating there's a definite need for guys who can get a bucket every once in awhile

[SWedd523]

Another from buzzbeat

Mason and 2rp to Thunder
For
Bazley and 2025 1rp via Heat

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Format is sensible but I know nothing about Bazley

[Liver_Pooty]

A Terry or Oubre clone on a rookie contract is pretty valuable. Defense issues aside.

[JMAC3]

Those two laker first round picks might be the most overrated bargaining chips in the history of the league. Maybe if it was a non free agent destination like us. But in 2027, 29, whatever they'll just sign a Zion and another stud in his prime and be good again.

The Lakers organization is an absolute train wreck. They can't even field a consistent playoff team with LeBron... I'll take my chances with those picks. They're going to have no pieces at all aside from their cap space when LeBron and AD move on in the middle of this decade.

Cap Space for Lakers means star players. It is the city, history and willingness to spend that will always attract stars there.

[Braggins]

I'm not sure what people are talking about. The Lakers had six straight losing seasons before Lebron, most of which they were among the worst teams in the league, and got shunned in free agency year after year. The good seasons before that were riding off the tail end of the Kobe/Pau era (both acquired via trade). I can't remember the last big free agent signing they had before Lebron and they pretty much immediately destroyed the championship roster they built around him and have been in disarray the last two seasons despite having Lebron/AD.

[JMAC3]

Buzzbeat suggested trade

Terry, bouk, nick to Pelicans
For
Graham, Claxton, Kira, 2rp

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Seems pretty awful all around to me.

Kira has done nothing, similar to Bouk.
Richards and Hayes are both FA, not sure there is any value in that swap.
Terry for Graham and 2nd is pretty awful value. We already saw Graham and Ball aren't a good fit.

Pretty easy pass for me.

[SWedd523]

I'm not sure what people are talking about. The Lakers had six straight losing seasons before Lebron, most of which they were among the worst teams in the league, and got shunned in free agency year after year. The good seasons before that were riding off the tail end of the Kobe/Pau era (both acquired via trade). I can't remember the last big free agent signing they had before Lebron and they pretty much immediately destroyed the championship roster they built around him and have been in disarray the last two seasons despite having Lebron/AD.

I'm not consolidating every moveable piece we have for their trash and a future, future, future, maybe that year, future pick. Melo needs help now, not when he's looking at his 3rd contract after signing with the Lakers in FA.

Also: **** the Lakers in general.

[JMAC3]

I'm not sure what people are talking about. The Lakers had six straight losing seasons before Lebron, most of which they were among the worst teams in the league, and got shunned in free agency year after year. The good seasons before that were riding off the tail end of the Kobe/Pau era (both acquired via trade). I can't remember the last big free agent signing they had before Lebron and they pretty much immediately destroyed the championship roster they built around him and have been in disarray the last two seasons despite having Lebron/AD.

They were paying Kobe a billion dollars to be hurt for his final three years.

Then basically had 2 bad years rebuilding, then got Lebron and won the title a year later.

So LeBron retires in 2 seasons. Meaning in 2025. You don't think they will have it together by 2027 and 2029? That seems like super wishful thinking. Especially since they can probably trade Anthony Davis for rebuilding starters kit.

[JDR720]

Bones isn't really an Oubre or Rozier clone. More like a Graham who shoots a lot more.

[JMAC3]

Most I would offer for Bones is

Plumlee, 2 seconds for Bones and Ish Smith (expiring filler).

If they think they can a first and useful player elsewhere then good on them.

[JMAC3]

Another from buzzbeat

Mason and 2rp to Thunder
For
Bazley and 2025 1rp via Heat

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I really doubt Thunder are going to value Plumlee like this, I would do the deal in a heartbeat.

[JMAC3]

I totally understand surrounding Melo with an arsenal of shooters. He's lethal at creating open looks for shooters. It's just that I'd be targeting 3D types, not just Terry, Oubre clonesis Bones better shooter of dribble or catch?

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The 3D players are going to cost a first if not more. See OG Anunoby asking price.

I am open to who you think would be affordable options.

[yosemiteben]

Another from buzzbeat

Mason and 2rp to Thunder
For
Bazley and 2025 1rp via Heat

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I don't know who Bazley is, but why is OKC giving up a 1st for an expiring this season? Don't get why they'd be interested in that.

[fatlever]

A Terry or Oubre clone on a rookie contract is pretty valuable. Defense issues aside.

If it's mcd for bones straight up. Do it. Gives us a cost control player for a few more years that we can potentially flip for another asset down the road.

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[Braggins]

I'm not sure what people are talking about. The Lakers had six straight losing seasons before Lebron, most of which they were among the worst teams in the league, and got shunned in free agency year after year. The good seasons before that were riding off the tail end of the Kobe/Pau era (both acquired via trade). I can't remember the last big free agent signing they had before Lebron and they pretty much immediately destroyed the championship roster they built around him and have been in disarray the last two seasons despite having Lebron/AD.

They were paying Kobe a billion dollars to be hurt for his final three years.

Then basically had 2 bad years rebuilding, then got Lebron and won the title a year later.

So LeBron retires in 2 seasons. Meaning in 2025. You don't think they will have it together by 2027 and 2029? That seems like super wishful thinking. Especially since they can probably trade Anthony Davis for rebuilding starters kit.

I just don't see an obvious path for a quick rebuild after Lebron/Davis unless Luka randomly decides he wants to live in California and wants to specifically be a Laker instead of going to more competent orgs in LAC or Golden State. Trading AD for a boat load of picks is a good rebuilding plan, but its a long term plan. If they did that after 2025 season I don't think its likely for them to be a contender again by 2027 without a random Lebron'esque free agent signing.

If everything went wrong and the pick/picks ended up being late 1sts, thats the same as the best 1st rounders they might be able to get from a contender that convey over the next two years. That upside potential makes those picks more valuable than a guaranteed late 1st that conveys sooner imo.

I would view the Lakers picks more as trade chips that you have the option to sit on and convey as picks if things go well and you have the luxury, but would most likely be used in a consolidation move to land a talent upgrade over the next two years.

[Braggins]

A Terry or Oubre clone on a rookie contract is pretty valuable. Defense issues aside.

If it's mcd for bones straight up. Do it. Gives us a cost control player for a few more years that we can potentially flip for another asset down the road.

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I like it as long as they trade Terry too so they can actually fully showcase him and aren't just stacking small no defense chuckers.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Im guessing Denver wants to swap Bones for McDaniels. I thought about this trade yesterday because it made some sense from a contract perspective for the Hornets, but unless you guaranteed me they weren't bringing Miles back and were definitely going to trade Rozier, I don't see any need to add another offense only player (especially at guard).

I'm way more open about trading McDaniels since he is unrestricted. Id take neutral value instead of demanding an overpay, unless they know he wants to stay, in which case I still see no reason not to keep him. I couldn't find a trade I liked that worked for him, but trading him for another developing player who is still cost controlled for more years makes theoretical sense, but I couldn't think of a deal like that for him that I liked.

Rumor the Hornets have expressed interest in Payton Pritchard.. think that’d be a McDaniels scenario or a lower offer from Charlotte?

[JMAC3]

Im guessing Denver wants to swap Bones for McDaniels. I thought about this trade yesterday because it made some sense from a contract perspective for the Hornets, but unless you guaranteed me they weren't bringing Miles back and were definitely going to trade Rozier, I don't see any need to add another offense only player (especially at guard).

I'm way more open about trading McDaniels since he is unrestricted. Id take neutral value instead of demanding an overpay, unless they know he wants to stay, in which case I still see no reason not to keep him. I couldn't find a trade I liked that worked for him, but trading him for another developing player who is still cost controlled for more years makes theoretical sense, but I couldn't think of a deal like that for him that I liked.

Rumor the Hornets have expressed interest in Payton Pritchard.. think that’d be a McDaniels scenario or a lower offer from Charlotte?

No idea, haven't seen it rumored anywhere. Pritchard doesn't really seem to be a guy I am dying to have.

[JMAC3]

I know it is not enough, but we should toss Terry and the Denver pick at the Knicks and see if they panic sell on RJ Barrett.