Trading the #2 pick - dicussion (merged)

[TheKingofSting]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
I could also picture #Bobcats switching picks with No. 3 Washington for a second-round pick.

Hee hee hee....here we go!! Now Washington sees Beal possibly slipping away, and they want to find a way to get their man! Now, I'm not sure an offer of Washington's 2nd rounder (#32) is more valuable than a deal with Cleveland for 4 & 24, but it could be if it's critical to get the player you REALLY want.

So...if the deals are Cleveland (4 & 24 for our #2) and Washington (3 & 32 for #2), which is your choice?

I still like Cleveland...especially if we can pawn off a contact to cement the deal.

I say really stick it to them if they really want Beal, make them add the 2nd or a player and a future 1st.

[BeesWax]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
I could also picture #Bobcats switching picks with No. 3 Washington for a second-round pick.

Looks like Bonnell is back on the bath salts again. Is he an idiot? We're not doing that just to get a magical second round pick. That's embarrassing he would write something like that. This isn't the NFL. Good lord I have to send this dummy an email.

This may be us trying to save our second from Cleveland. We say Washington is interested and Cleveland gives us the 4 and 24 for the 2 only.

[Jaruff]

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1189469

Looks like Lowry is probably gone. Make it happen Cho.

Lowry, #14, #16, and Patterson for #2 and Diop.

[dre4bobcats]

I like the idea of trading for Luol Deng. we need a good veteran to pair with these young players.

If we can get cleveland to trade the #4 and 24 for the #2, I would make a run at deng

Maybe a package such as Corey Maggette (expiring contract), #24 pick, and maybe throw in the second round pick#31 (if needed) for Deng.

That gives chicago draft flexibility to move up, Makes the bobcats better which also benefits the bulls (since they can receive our 2013 pick if we are not in the bottom 12).

At #4 we can draft Thomas Robinson, or if MKG falls i'm pretty sure teams will try and trade up to get him. We could trade down again.

Kemba, Henderson, Deng, Robinson, Biyombo (or Mullens)

at least we wont be the worst team of all time. Wont cost us any extra salary. Just paying deng for 2 years, people act like he is making the max for the next 5 yrs.

[HornetJail]

The Bulls want a lotto pick for Deng. Two late picks won't get it done for them. If that was all it took, Deng would probably already have been traded.

[dre4bobcats]

i posted this in the "trade with bulls thread"

I like the idea of trading for Luol Deng. we need a good veteran to pair with these young players.

If we can get cleveland to trade the #4 and 24 for the #2, I would make a run at deng

Maybe a package such as Corey Maggette (expiring contract), #24 pick, and maybe throw in the second round pick#31 (if needed) for Deng.

That gives chicago draft flexibility to move up, Makes the bobcats better which also benefits the bulls (since they can receive our 2013 pick if we are not in the bottom 12).

At #4 we can draft Thomas Robinson, or if MKG falls i'm pretty sure teams will try and trade up to get him. We could trade down again.

Kemba, Henderson, Deng, Robinson, Biyombo (or Mullens)

at least we wont be the worst team of all time. Wont cost us any extra salary. Just paying deng for 2 years, people act like he is making the max for the next 5 yrs

[HornetJail]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1189469

Looks like Lowry is probably gone. Make it happen Cho.

Lowry, #14, #16, and Patterson for #2 and Diop.

Honestly, I'd be happy with #14, #16, and Lowry for #2 and then let them dump whatever contracts they want to dump on us.

[vorbis]

this one talking about Atlanta trading for #2 made me o_O (insider)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/n ... team-needs

Trade option

We've avoided talking trades, but for Atlanta, this one would be hard to pass. The Charlotte Bobcats seem primed to move their No. 2 pick, but few teams have players good enough to make that deal. Remember, it's not as if teams are thinking Thomas Robinson is better today, or will be tomorrow, than the player they would be trading away for him -- it's how cheap his salary would be compared to his expected production. Likewise, for Charlotte to close that deal it'd need to get a potential franchise guy with a contract that is in line with the player's age and production.

Scott Cunningham/NBAE/Getty Images
Trading Al Horford could net the Hawks the No. 2 pick and free up needed cap space.
Enter Horford. He immediately improves the Bobcats on both ends of the floor. He becomes their best player, the face of the franchise and an excellent recruiter on the free-agent front. The Hawks then could grab Robinson and use him the way they use Horford (Robinson is very comparable to Horford). I don't expect Robinson to ever be as good as Horford -- who is probably the most underrated player in the league -- but he certainly could end up getting there, or close to that level.

There are numerous ways to complete that trade, with Atlanta possibly getting rid of a bad salary in Smith (bad contract but still a huge talent upgrade for Charlotte) and getting Bismack Biyombo in one scenario. It's a restart for Atlanta, but it's one that gives the Hawks hope for a new beginning as they shed another salary or two while developing their young talent.

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[HasheemThabeet]

Kyle Lowry getting overrated, he's like a Mike Conley caliber pg. I'd only do that trade if you could use the two picks to get back in the top 10 especially with Patterson showing very little in his first two years

[TheKingofSting]

this one talking about Atlanta trading for #2 made me o_O (insider)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/n ... team-needs

Trade option

We've avoided talking trades, but for Atlanta, this one would be hard to pass. The Charlotte Bobcats seem primed to move their No. 2 pick, but few teams have players good enough to make that deal. Remember, it's not as if teams are thinking Thomas Robinson is better today, or will be tomorrow, than the player they would be trading away for him -- it's how cheap his salary would be compared to his expected production. Likewise, for Charlotte to close that deal it'd need to get a potential franchise guy with a contract that is in line with the player's age and production.

Scott Cunningham/NBAE/Getty Images
Trading Al Horford could net the Hawks the No. 2 pick and free up needed cap space.
Enter Horford. He immediately improves the Bobcats on both ends of the floor. He becomes their best player, the face of the franchise and an excellent recruiter on the free-agent front. The Hawks then could grab Robinson and use him the way they use Horford (Robinson is very comparable to Horford). I don't expect Robinson to ever be as good as Horford -- who is probably the most underrated player in the league -- but he certainly could end up getting there, or close to that level.

There are numerous ways to complete that trade, with Atlanta possibly getting rid of a bad salary in Smith (bad contract but still a huge talent upgrade for Charlotte) and getting Bismack Biyombo in one scenario. It's a restart for Atlanta, but it's one that gives the Hawks hope for a new beginning as they shed another salary or two while developing their young talent.

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That deal is all kinds of loss, trading Biz?

[Jaruff]

Kyle Lowry getting overrated, he's like a Mike Conley caliber pg. I'd only do that trade if you could use the two picks to get back in the top 10 especially with Patterson showing very little in his first two years

Patterson hasn't shown because the guy hasn't played. He's had to deal with Scola, Jordan Hill, the white men that can jump, and others.

this one talking about Atlanta trading for #2 made me o_O (insider)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/n ... team-needs

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Not necessarily. I think they have the right idea, just a bad idea of #2's value.

Now I personally wouldn't want Horford but if they can find a taker (perhaps Portland at #6), I think we could do a deal.

#2, Tyrus, Maggette for acquired pick, #23, Marvin Williams, Josh Smith.

Say we get #6, take Drummond.

Kemba - Hendo - Starvin' Marvin (if he rebounds) - Smith - Drummond

Perhaps move #23 and #31 to secure a Harkless or Ross and we have a team that could compete in the near future.

In a perfect world, we would do that trade and Barnes would fall to #6. At that point, I think we'd be just as good as ATL without the Joe Johnson albatross.

[dre4bobcats]

The Bulls want a lotto pick for Deng. Two late picks won't get it done for them. If that was all it took, Deng would probably already have been traded.

Yeah you are right. but I wouldnt trade the #2 or the #4 for him...I think the Bulls are too high on him, since they wouldnt involve him in a trade to get Kobe Bryant lol. They would be better off doing a deal with a lottery team that has the cap space to absorb the entire contract. i just figured they would consider taking an expiring contract like Maggette's

[Roll Tide 09]

I don't think Deng is worth anything above a 25th pick, maybe at one point, but his contract and age..... If we want a CHEAP veteran we need to sign Nazr again. However, I may be wrong about Deng, it's just my opinion.

[HornetJail]

I agree that the Bulls overrate Deng. The combination of his game and his contract should be worth an early 10s pick. I hope we don't trade for him. He isn't a first option.

Rolltide: Deng is definitely worth more than #25. I'll admit his contract isn't the best, but teams won't simply trade near All-Star talent for a late first.

[Battery]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
I could also picture #Bobcats switching picks with No. 3 Washington for a second-round pick.

Looks like Bonnell is back on the bath salts again. Is he an idiot? We're not doing that just to get a magical second round pick. That's embarrassing he would write something like that. This isn't the NFL. Good lord I have to send this dummy an email.

This may be us trying to save our second from Cleveland. We say Washington is interested and Cleveland gives us the 4 and 24 for the 2 only.

That makes no sense. The 2nd pick is extremely valuable because you basically have first pick in the draft. You get to select the player you want without fear of someone else taking them. Other than NOH, nobody can say that. 24 pick is a crap shoot. What's so great about that? With pick 2 we're guaranteed to get the player we want, with 4 we're not.

[Eoghan]

Deng is a good fit on a team that needs a good SF to its core like GS to make the playoffs. He'd be horrible for us and just inch us toward the treadmill of doom.

[SteveMorrison15]

The Bulls wouldn't trade Deng for 2nd pick just like the Bobcats would never trade the 2nd pick for Deng. Don't strain your fingers debating this one.

[JMAC3]

Would you guys consider this deal.

First lets assume Bobcats draft Beal at #2.
Then we deal Henderson, Maggette, and remove the protection on our pick we owe bulls.
The bulls send us Deng and 29th pick.

Why for Chicago: They get Deng's contract off the books and get an expiring Maggette. They get a young shooting guard who can guard the better shooting guards in the league and fits nicely next to Rose. They get our first round pick next season no matter what, which will probably be high. Its all about timing for them as they will be getting a lottery pick, cap space, and still have a solid shooting guard for when Rose is 100% after sitting out this season.

Why for Charlotte: We get a borderline all star small forward, keep our pick and get Beal. Also, we pick up the bulls late first which can be packaged with our 31st to move up in the range of the early 20's. Also, we still will have the portland pick next season and we wont have the pick we owe them looming over us for the next 3 years.

Kemba
Beal
Deng
Biz
Portland 2013 pick

[captaincrunk]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
I could also picture #Bobcats switching picks with No. 3 Washington for a second-round pick.

Looks like Bonnell is back on the bath salts again. Is he an idiot? We're not doing that just to get a magical second round pick. That's embarrassing he would write something like that. This isn't the NFL. Good lord I have to send this dummy an email.

If we know we aren't taking Beal, and know they are, it's not like we could leverage much more out of them.

[doc.end]

this one talking about Atlanta trading for #2 made me o_O (insider)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/n ... team-needs

Trade option

We've avoided talking trades, but for Atlanta, this one would be hard to pass. The Charlotte Bobcats seem primed to move their No. 2 pick, but few teams have players good enough to make that deal. Remember, it's not as if teams are thinking Thomas Robinson is better today, or will be tomorrow, than the player they would be trading away for him -- it's how cheap his salary would be compared to his expected production. Likewise, for Charlotte to close that deal it'd need to get a potential franchise guy with a contract that is in line with the player's age and production.

Scott Cunningham/NBAE/Getty Images
Trading Al Horford could net the Hawks the No. 2 pick and free up needed cap space.
Enter Horford. He immediately improves the Bobcats on both ends of the floor. He becomes their best player, the face of the franchise and an excellent recruiter on the free-agent front. The Hawks then could grab Robinson and use him the way they use Horford (Robinson is very comparable to Horford). I don't expect Robinson to ever be as good as Horford -- who is probably the most underrated player in the league -- but he certainly could end up getting there, or close to that level.

There are numerous ways to complete that trade, with Atlanta possibly getting rid of a bad salary in Smith (bad contract but still a huge talent upgrade for Charlotte) and getting Bismack Biyombo in one scenario. It's a restart for Atlanta, but it's one that gives the Hawks hope for a new beginning as they shed another salary or two while developing their young talent.

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This is why nobody in their right mind can take ESPN seriously. Once he mentions Bismack is obvious it is all made up.