Over The Top: The James Borrego Thread

SWedd523 · Post #601 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:50 am

Robot Rock wrote:4-16 in overtime games since he took over.

But since the NBA is rigged like WWE, does the coach even matter?

Snidely FC · Post #602 » by **Snidely FC** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:55 am

Casey had Plumlee in DET last year so he knew Plumlee can't shoot free throws Hornets had a lead couple minutes left Casey intentionally fouls Plumlee who shanks two free throws Borrego forced to pull Plumlee DET gets all the rebounds they want L: OUTCOACHED

Rays Pompadour · Post #603 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:37 pm

James Borrego: the Brett Brown of Charlotte.

Robot Rock · Post #604 » by **Robot Rock** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:30 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:4-16 in overtime games since he took over.

But since the NBA is rigged like WWE, does the coach even matter?

To an extent here, no, it doesn't matter, because they're never beating big-market teams in the playoffs. Of course, Borrego will never get to the playoffs, so there's no concern in that regard. (I know, I know. Go ahead, type "HOT TAKE").

Aside from that, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if you think the Miami game was officiated fairly, that Borrego is a great coach and that Donaghy and other refs didn't fix games.

HornetJail · Post #605 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:58 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Casey had Plumlee in DET last year so he knew Plumlee can't shoot free throws Hornets had a lead couple minutes left Casey intentionally fouls Plumlee who shanks two free throws Borrego forced to pull Plumlee DET gets all the rebounds they want L: OUTCOACHED

if only we had another rebounder that could've taken his place that is much tougher than Plumlee and also an offensive threat in the post

SWedd523 · Post #606 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:03 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Casey had Plumlee in DET last year so he knew Plumlee can't shoot free throws Hornets had a lead couple minutes left Casey intentionally fouls Plumlee who shanks two free throws Borrego forced to pull Plumlee DET gets all the rebounds they want L: OUTCOACHED

Honest question: how is that outcoached?

You have two options

1. Leave him in, Hack-a-Plumlee
2. Take him out, get murdered on the boards

Seems less coaching and more personnel limitations?

Snidely FC · Post #607 » by **Snidely FC** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:04 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
Snidely FC wrote:Casey had Plumlee in DET last year so he knew Plumlee can't shoot free throws Hornets had a lead couple minutes left Casey intentionally fouls Plumlee who shanks two free throws Borrego forced to pull Plumlee DET gets all the rebounds they want L: OUTCOACHED

Honest question: how is that outcoached?

You have two options

1. Leave him in, Hack-a-Plumlee
2. Take him out, get murdered on the boards

Seems less coaching and more personnel limitations?

Of course you are right that personnel plays a role. I cherrypicked the intentional Plumlee foul as the most obvious incident. It just seemed to me that at every turn Casey had a plan. Harrell in the post? Send Olynyk to the perimeter to rain 3s. Late Q4? Setup Cunningham in the high post to finish or draw fouls. 3 pt late lead? Foul so the Hornets don't get off a 3. Maybe I might have tried Thor and Harrell instead of Oubre and PJ after Plumlee went out. Or Thrown Kai into the mix when I saw the laxity of the starters. These are personnel shortfalls, you're right. I just don't see a plan from JB sometimes. Stewart is 6'8 and both he and Cunningham had 4 fouls; is Borrego instructing Lamelo to take it to the rim or allowing him to settle for floaters? I don't know. It just seems like when we have a 6'8 PG that JB should be able to devise a plan take advantage of the other team's defense when the Hornet offense breaks down, yet we go long stretches looking lost. It confounds me because we have Lamelo and because I often like the plays JB draws up out of timeouts. Then there is the basic question of why DET played like they had to try while CHA played like they didn't need to try? Can the coach find a way to change his team's mindset, or is that a chicken and egg personnel thing? And on defense some sort of attempt to try something different defensively when DET runs the same play for Cunningham 3 or 4 times in a row, or when Olynyk was not only hot but repeatedly wide open. It just felt to me like Casey pulled all the right strings and JB not so much

Post #608 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:29 pm

Also it would be nice if we did more than just give the ball to Rozier to iso in the half court. Argh

Post #609 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:43 pm

luciano-davidwesley wrote:Also it would be nice if we did more than just give the ball to Rozier to iso in the half court. Argh

I dunno man, seems like probably our best source of offense lately.

Read on Twitter

Post #610 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:41 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
luciano-davidwesley wrote:Also it would be nice if we did more than just give the ball to Rozier to iso in the half court. Argh

I dunno man, seems like probably our best source of offense lately.

Read on Twitter

Two games! Watch how he gets strangled when he takes the last shot of the quarter.

Post #611 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:10 pm

luciano-davidwesley wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
luciano-davidwesley wrote:Also it would be nice if we did more than just give the ball to Rozier to iso in the half court. Argh

I dunno man, seems like probably our best source of offense lately.

Read on Twitter

Two games! Watch how he gets strangled when he takes the last shot of the quarter.

I'm just saying, if we're pointing fingers about why we lost last night, don't think Terry going 12-21 from the field and 6-10 from 3 is why.

Post #612 » by **JDR720** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:34 am

Over/under 50% chance he gets fired at the seasons end?

Post #613 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:39 am

JDR720 wrote:Over/under 50% chance he gets fired at the seasons end?

I think we need a poll on this

Post #614 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:48 am

JDR720 wrote:Over/under 50% chance he gets fired at the seasons end?

0%, c'mon now

First season where outcome might be below expectations

**** he just got an extension

Post #615 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:50 am

It is more than three and a half seasons into his tenure and it is time to have a think about where we have come from and where we are going as a team.

The other two things you need to factor into this decision is that he signed a "multiyear extension" about 7 months ago and that you need to have a coach in mind who you'd replace him with. That is unless you want to promote an internal interim coach.

I think personally MJ is too cheap to pay two coaches simultaneously regardless of whether it is the right decision or not to sack Borrego.

Please post your thoughts.

Post #616 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:51 am

We can talk about his pros and cons, but he's not getting fired

Post #617 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:53 am

yosemiteben wrote:We can talk about his pros and cons, but he's not getting fired

You don't think it is at least plausable his future is in question? Also not sure why the Gustapo are out merging my poll of whether he should be fired or not into this thread.

amcoolio · Post #618 » by **amcoolio** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:55 am

They'll give him one more year for sure, but probably(hopefully) new assistants, maybe an associate head coach

Post #619 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:56 am

luciano-davidwesley wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:We can talk about his pros and cons, but he's not getting fired

You don't think it is at least plausable his future is in question? Also not sure why the Gustapo are out merging my poll of whether he should be fired or not into this thread.

In question, as in might not work out long term? Sure. But he's not getting fired this off-season after we just extended him.

Post #620 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:59 am

yosemiteben wrote:
luciano-davidwesley wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:We can talk about his pros and cons, but he's not getting fired

You don't think it is at least plausable his future is in question? Also not sure why the Gustapo are out merging my poll of whether he should be fired or not into this thread.

In question, as in might not work out long term? Sure. But he's not getting fired this off-season after we just extended him.

My guess is it was a two year extension ("Multi year" with no specifics) and boy we could be in for a bad time if the franchise is not willing to cut bait over a few million dollars a year for a coach. We literally waived and stretched $27 million on one roster spot last year. WTF lol