Fool Me Twice: The Gordon Hayward Thread

[MasterIchiro]

I speculate Kupchak is willing to attach our 2022 second to Batum to send him to the Thunder into OKC's 27.5 trade exception from the Adams trade.

Do you speculate Ainge is willing to attach a prospect or first to OKC?

I have our 2022 second as about 9 million value.

Furthermore, what are we going to do with the 9 million this year? Nothing. So stretching Batum only limits us 9 million the final 2 years of the stretch.

I don't think the snag is on our end.

[LofJ]

If we can get a prospect like Romeo Langford and just eat the Batum stretch without dealing with a 3rd team I think I'd be in favor of that.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Maybe you guys heard something we didn't, but we never heard a single peep that Charlotte was in the picture until the official 4/120 deal came down. Caught us completely by surprise.

There were some whispers and vague tweets like "the Hornets are *expected* to be interested." I chalked that to the fact that we were one of four teams with capspace and were linked in the past, certainly didn't expect this.

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[chabber]

Maybe you guys heard something we didn't, but we never heard a single peep that Charlotte was in the picture until the official 4/120 deal came down. Caught us completely by surprise.

There were some whispers and vague tweets like "the Hornets are *expected* to be interested." I chalked that to the fact that we were one of four teams with capspace and were linked in the past, certainly didn't expect this.

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There were some tweets, but also Zach Lowe had said we were interested beforehand. I believe it was on TV that Friday before FA opened.

[316Hornets]

We showed him the red carpet treatment back when Utah matched. I remember Spectrum center had his mug on the huge video screen outside. MJ obviously liked him a great deal.

Next off-season, a lot more teams will have money to spend, so the team probably looked at this as the best opportunity of putting All-star level talent alongside Lamelo.

[wilson115]

Saw this right before it went down. Couldn't believe it, but check out his other tweets.

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[316Hornets]

https://craftednba.com/player-roles/glue-guy

Hayward ranked #3 as a glue guy.

[vorbis]

Saw this right before it went down. Couldn't believe it, but check out his other tweets.

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still, that guy is "formerly" a lot of places. still appears to be relatively young. doesn't seem to have much traction among his presumed industry peers as far as engagement and interaction on the social media site he's dropping these bombs. i dunno.

[DY_nasty]

Saw this right before it went down. Couldn't believe it, but check out his other tweets.

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o_O

still, that guy is "formerly" a lot of places. still appears to be relatively young. doesn't seem to have much traction among his presumed industry peers as far as engagement and interaction on the social media site he's dropping these bombs. i dunno.

better than the atthehive guys who said lamelo was never going to happen

[JDR720]

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Turkey : The Gordon Hayward Thread

Also, I never realized this, but Gordon is such a terrible name. Makes me think of a Butler.

[LofJ]

Saw this right before it went down. Couldn't believe it, but check out his other tweets.

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o_O

still, that guy is "formerly" a lot of places. still appears to be relatively young. doesn't seem to have much traction among his presumed industry peers as far as engagement and interaction on the social media site he's dropping these bombs. i dunno.

better than the atthehive guys who said lamelo was never going to happen

They also said repeatedly and emphatically said that LaMelo was the top prospect in the draft. Now that he's a Hornet I very much hope they're right, but it won't look good if he's a bust.

[Diop]

Just hurry up and get it done, I’m sick of **** waiting

[MasterIchiro]

Just hurry up and get it done, I’m sick of **** waiting

My idea is just stretch Batum, sit back and wait for Ainge to replace that lost value with a pick and player just to get the TPE. Robert Williams would be nice. Then hey, that's one position we won't need 9 million for these next 3 years. Ainge is only trying to squeeze value because he thinks we're bluffing about the stretch provision. The whole basketball world thinks it's catastrophic but watch how catastrophic it would be for Ainge to wake up to the reality he lost Hayward for nothing. He needs to sober up.

[wilson115]

Just hurry up and get it done, I’m sick of **** waiting

My idea is just stretch Batum, sit back and wait for Ainge to replace that lost value with a pick and player just to get the TPE. Robert Williams would be nice. Then hey, that's one position we won't need 9 million for these next 3 years. Ainge is only trying to squeeze value because he thinks we're bluffing about the stretch provision. The whole basketball world thinks it's catastrophic but watch how catastrophic it would be for Ainge to wake up to the reality he lost Hayward for nothing. He needs to sober up.

But Woj says the hold-up's down to the Hornets trying to rope in a third team. Why go through the trouble instead of going right at Ainge if they have the leverage?

[BuzzCity]

I check on this situation right before going to sleep every night and wake up immediately checking on it...this needs to end sooner than later...this can’t be healthy

[MasterIchiro]

Just hurry up and get it done, I’m sick of **** waiting

My idea is just stretch Batum, sit back and wait for Ainge to replace that lost value with a pick and player just to get the TPE. Robert Williams would be nice. Then hey, that's one position we won't need 9 million for these next 3 years. Ainge is only trying to squeeze value because he thinks we're bluffing about the stretch provision. The whole basketball world thinks it's catastrophic but watch how catastrophic it would be for Ainge to wake up to the reality he lost Hayward for nothing. He needs to sober up.

But Woj says the hold-up's down to the Hornets trying to rope in a third team. Why go through the trouble instead of going right at Ainge if they have the leverage?

Because Ainge is in denial about losing Hayward for nothing so he doesn't recognize our leverage and he won't acknowledge reality until it happens. If we stretch Batum he's not going to just walk away. The mere suggestion has him playing ball but he's stalling and acting like he has more leverage than he does. The simple math is 27.5 TPE > 9 million stretch. Because you can do more with 27.5 than you can with 9.

So why are we panicked?

[Rich4114]

It’s going to be a week soon since this was announced. Just crazy nothings been done yet and there’s not been a ton of coverage around it either it seems.

[Hornet Mania]

It’s going to be a week soon since this was announced. Just crazy nothings been done yet and there’s not been a ton of coverage around it either it seems.

The lack of leaks is probably a good sign tbh. Mitch tends to work quietly, and fwiw when Ainge does manage to get a deal done it's not something that gets leaked in advance.

All the big Boston leaks tend to be 'oh golly gee, we offered everything but they didn't take it' face-saving stuff for townie consumption after things fall through. Kevin Pritchard admitting that Indy offered Turner + 1st + role player is the first time I can remember another team turning the tables on Ainge and basically accusing him of being too much of a hardass to get it done.

[MasterIchiro]

C'mon Ainge you dirtball.

27.5 > 9

You've got far more spending power to lose than we do! Like I said, we will contribute our 2022 second towards your spending power but you have to contribute more than that. It's a first or a prospect of Presti's choice from your surplus. And none of those prospects or your late first is gonna get you a player making 27.5 million.

[wilson115]

But Woj says the hold-up's down to the Hornets trying to rope in a third team. Why go through the trouble instead of going right at Ainge if they have the leverage?

Because Ainge is in denial about losing Hayward for nothing so he doesn't recognize our leverage and he won't acknowledge reality until it happens. If we stretch Batum he's not going to just walk away. The mere suggestion has him playing ball but he's stalling and acting like he has more leverage than he does. The simple math is 27.5 TPE > 9 million stretch. Because you can do more with 27.5 than you can with 9.

So why are we panicked?

Ainge actually gave up leverage letting the Hornets involve a third team. It's the third team who gets to say whether or not this goes down now, Ainge is in a weaker position than he would've been if he only had to care about holding Nic's dead cap over our heads.