Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[Snidely FC]

I wouldn't trade Zeller for Afflalo straight up. I agree that he fits on the Magic but the proposals I've read in this thread have me so relieved this is RealGM and not Cho's entourage.

Afflalo shot 43% against NBA defenses from 3 this past season (no guessing about whether his skillset will translate to the NBA), avearaged 18ppg for a crap team, has great size, is a plus defender, and has Spurs-quality character. His contract is fair value, and he should resign for similar dollars. With his skillset he can play at a high level for another 5 years. He flew under the radar as a borderline all-star player in ORL because he was on a crap team.

Zeller was drafted to be a stretch 4. He is never going to be a stretch 4, which makes him a bad fit in the CHA Alfense. Obviously it's not ideal to trade a 4 pick for a vet, but Zeller is a horrible fit in the CHA Alfense. Zeller was picked to be a stretch 4 and he is not ever going to be one. He will do better on a team like ORL that will run up and down the floor like a bunch of ponies.

So, instead of picking a callow youth at #9 to start at SG, one who will take several years to reach playoff level (like your beloved Stauskas), why not plug in Afflalo, who is ready to play at a Playoff level of NBA competition right now, and replace Zeller with a true stretch 4 in Doug McDermott, or a real PF in Julius Randle (if he falls to 9), both of whom possess skills that translate (shooting for McDermott, rebounding for Randle) to the NBA now.

Everybody wants the shiny young player, because that's the sexy thing, but teams in this league win with savvy veterans. CHA is built to win now. That's why I would do this trade.

[MasterIchiro]

I wouldn't trade Zeller for Afflalo straight up. I agree that he fits on the Magic but the proposals I've read in this thread have me so relieved this is RealGM and not Cho's entourage.

Afflalo shot 43% against NBA defenses from 3 this past season (no guessing about whether his skillset will translate to the NBA), avearaged 18ppg for a crap team, has great size, is a plus defender, and has Spurs-quality character. His contract is fair value, and he should resign for similar dollars. With his skillset he can play at a high level for another 5 years. He flew under the radar as a borderline all-star player in ORL because he was on a crap team.

Zeller was drafted to be a stretch 4. He is never going to be a stretch 4, which makes him a bad fit in the CHA Alfense. Obviously it's not ideal to trade a 4 pick for a vet, but Zeller is a horrible fit in the CHA Alfense. Zeller was picked to be a stretch 4 and he is not ever going to be one. He will do better on a team like ORL that will run up and down the floor like a bunch of ponies.

So, instead of picking a callow youth at #9 to start at SG, one who will take several years to reach playoff level (like your beloved Stauskas), why not plug in Afflalo, who is ready to play at a Playoff level of NBA competition right now, and replace Zeller with a true stretch 4 in Doug McDermott, or a real PF in Julius Randle (if he falls to 9), both of whom possess skills that translate (shooting for McDermott, rebounding for Randle) to the NBA now.

Everybody wants the shiny young player, because that's the sexy thing, but teams in this league win with savvy veterans. CHA is built to win now. That's why I would do this trade.

He may not sign for 'similar dollars". Also Zeller is 'never' going to be a stretch 4? That sounds presumptuous and absolutist, yet McDermott will be a stretch 4 after Clifford specifically said he's a 3 and doesn't like the idea of small ball.

Your plan ain't happening.

[MasterIchiro]

I'll say it again. Zeller is a great fit for the Magic. I would target 12 and consider offering Zeller if Randle falls to 9. I'd take Randle at 9 to replace Zeller and at 12 I'd draft Stauskas if he's still there.

[Eoghan]

Zeller can be a stretch 4, he just has to overhaul his shot and learn how to dribble. Just like Hendo can learn to shoot threes, MKG can learn to shoot anything, Kemba can learn to facilitate and Biz can learn to read basic offensive plays without needing Lion-o's Sword of Omens to give him "sight beyond sight."

Definitely plausible.

[Nyce_1]

FWIW:

The dark horse to obtain Afflalo still remains the Charlotte Hornets, who have long coveted him and are willing to give up the ninth pick and a roster player to do it.

Read more at http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-a ... zJhb7op.99

[BlackOutBuzz]

I think if we were willing to give up 9 this would be a done deal by now. Still a huge overpay.

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[MasterIchiro]

FWIW:

The dark horse to obtain Afflalo still remains the Charlotte Hornets, who have long coveted him and are willing to give up the ninth pick and a roster player to do it.

Read more at http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-a ... zJhb7op.99

Pure bunk. Our front office said we're open to trading our picks, plural, so that includes pick 24 and ever since our front office said that in connection with Afflalo, we've seen all these myths and misguided theories about 9. We're offering pick 24 and a player (Henderson or Neal). Your GM moved onto the Bulls to try to get pick 16 or 19 and that's still not working. His best offer is 24 imo. So keep Afflalo for one more year. We will sign him after he opts out of your rebuild.

[MasterIchiro]

It's so funny. The team supposedly offering the 9th pick in a stacked draft is the "dark horse". What are the front runners supposedly offering then? Top 5 picks?

1 year of Afflalo is worth a late first. I'm sick of talking about the guy.

[MasterIchiro]

If we're dealing with the Magic here are my offers on the table

Zeller for pick 12 (he's better than any front court player still available at this pick)

Henderson + 24 for Afflalo (nobody is paying more for 1 year of Afflalo)

[MasterIchiro]

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[Bucks2585]

Wanted to see what fans of these teams thought of a trade like this, what do you think?

Sacramento, Charlotte, and Orlando Make a 3 way Trade:

Charlotte Trades: Gerald Henderson, Brandon Haywood, #9
Receives: #12, Aaron Afflalo, Travis Outlaw
Looking to upgrade on Henderson but still wanting to add a prospect in the lottery, Affalo gives the Bobcats a legitimate floor spreader from the 2-guard spot who can contribute in all aspects of the game. Afflallo should fit well in an inside out game with Al Jefferson and as a drive and kick option for Kemba. With Afflalo, Jefferson, and Kemba, they have 3 legitimate scoring options in the starting lineup that provide a good mix of driving, post play, and shooting which makes them a much more dangerous offense. They have to move down to #12, but still feel they can acquire a good player 3 spots later and take on Outlaw as a poor contract for Haywood, but also get out of Haywoods contract a year earlier.

Sacramento Trades: Jason Thompson, Jason Terry, Travis Outlaw, #8
Sacramento Receives: Jameer Nelson, Gerald Henderson
Looking for the right blend of veteran players to pair with their two star players Rudy Gay and DeMarcus Cousins, the key is to look for upgrades that can be a threat every game, but also know their role and won't dominate the ball like Isiah Thomas and make sure their key playmakers get the ball. Nelson has taken on the role of a true PG as his career has progressed, becoming more of a distributor over a scorer. He has 3 point range on his shot, key playoff experience, and with the team likely to lose or trade Isiah Thomas, is a true win now PG for this team that should fit in well with Cousins and Gay in that he can set up shots for them and get them the ball. Henderson slots in as an average SG, one that can contribute as a scorer. In using the #8 pick as well in this trade, they are also able to shed 3 of their worst contracts and dedicate their money to the sole purpose of contributing veterans for this team that provide a balance of talent in their starting lineup and remove ineffective bench players.

Orlando Trades: #12, Aaron Afflalo, Jameer Nelson
Orlando Receives: #8, #9, Jason Thompson, Jason Terry, Brandon Haywood.
Orlando looks solely to acquire assets to continue to build their young team as they now have 3 top 10 picks on what looks to be a strong draft. Nelson and Afflalo aren't in their future plans, but they are able to move up and acquire another pick for them by taking on bad contracts. Thompson and Haywood aren't world beaters, but on this team, they add much needed size at the 4 and 5 spots. Meanwhile, they take on Terry as an expiring, but hope maybe he has a resurgence and provide a backup at least to Oladipo at SG and be able to function as an undersized 2 guard next to what should be two bigger PG/SG starters in Oladipo and Smart/Exum, where his size won't be as big a detriment.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Haywood's contact isn't really a burden, we can waive him for nothing before next August.

Overall not bad for us, seems bad for Sac though.

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[LofJ]

FWIW:

The dark horse to obtain Afflalo still remains the Charlotte Hornets, who have long coveted him and are willing to give up the ninth pick and a roster player to do it.

Read more at http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-a ... zJhb7op.99

I call bull on this.

[BeesWax]

Wanted to see what fans of these teams thought of a trade like this, what do you think?

Sacramento, Charlotte, and Orlando Make a 3 way Trade:

Charlotte Trades: Gerald Henderson, Brandon Haywood, #9
Receives: #12, Aaron Afflalo, Travis Outlaw
Looking to upgrade on Henderson but still wanting to add a prospect in the lottery, Affalo gives the Bobcats a legitimate floor spreader from the 2-guard spot who can contribute in all aspects of the game. Afflallo should fit well in an inside out game with Al Jefferson and as a drive and kick option for Kemba. With Afflalo, Jefferson, and Kemba, they have 3 legitimate scoring options in the starting lineup that provide a good mix of driving, post play, and shooting which makes them a much more dangerous offense. They have to move down to #12, but still feel they can acquire a good player 3 spots later and take on Outlaw as a poor contract for Haywood, but also get out of Haywoods contract a year earlier.

Sacramento Trades: Jason Thompson, Jason Terry, Travis Outlaw, #8
Sacramento Receives: Jameer Nelson, Gerald Henderson
Looking for the right blend of veteran players to pair with their two star players Rudy Gay and DeMarcus Cousins, the key is to look for upgrades that can be a threat every game, but also know their role and won't dominate the ball like Isiah Thomas and make sure their key playmakers get the ball. Nelson has taken on the role of a true PG as his career has progressed, becoming more of a distributor over a scorer. He has 3 point range on his shot, key playoff experience, and with the team likely to lose or trade Isiah Thomas, is a true win now PG for this team that should fit in well with Cousins and Gay in that he can set up shots for them and get them the ball. Henderson slots in as an average SG, one that can contribute as a scorer. In using the #8 pick as well in this trade, they are also able to shed 3 of their worst contracts and dedicate their money to the sole purpose of contributing veterans for this team that provide a balance of talent in their starting lineup and remove ineffective bench players.

Orlando Trades: #12, Aaron Afflalo, Jameer Nelson
Orlando Receives: #8, #9, Jason Thompson, Jason Terry, Brandon Haywood.
Orlando looks solely to acquire assets to continue to build their young team as they now have 3 top 10 picks on what looks to be a strong draft. Nelson and Afflalo aren't in their future plans, but they are able to move up and acquire another pick for them by taking on bad contracts. Thompson and Haywood aren't world beaters, but on this team, they add much needed size at the 4 and 5 spots. Meanwhile, they take on Terry as an expiring, but hope maybe he has a resurgence and provide a backup at least to Oladipo at SG and be able to function as an undersized 2 guard next to what should be two bigger PG/SG starters in Oladipo and Smart/Exum, where his size won't be as big a detriment.

I don't like this for us. Would rather not move Haywood for Outlaw because the last year of Haywood's contract could be used as an asset for a luxury tax team trying to cut costs. Orlando is getting quite a lot for AA and taking on Thompson.

[Liver_Pooty]

FWIW:

The dark horse to obtain Afflalo still remains the Charlotte Hornets, who have long coveted him and are willing to give up the ninth pick and a roster player to do it.

Read more at http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-a ... zJhb7op.99

I call bull on this.

Lol at us trading a top 10 pick and another player for Afflalo. I could only see that happening if Orlando included the 12th pick.

[BeesWax]

FWIW:

The dark horse to obtain Afflalo still remains the Charlotte Hornets, who have long coveted him and are willing to give up the ninth pick and a roster player to do it.

Read more at http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-a ... zJhb7op.99

I call bull on this.

Yes, yes you can.

[mrknowitall215]

FWIW:

The dark horse to obtain Afflalo still remains the Charlotte Hornets, who have long coveted him and are willing to give up the ninth pick and a roster player to do it.

Read more at http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-a ... zJhb7op.99

I call bull on this.

It's been a common rumor. The source might have not worded the proposed deal in full, but...

Henderson + #9 for Afflalo +12 isn't anything new

I call bull just like you though on #9 + (fill in a player) for Afflalo straight up

[LofJ]

FWIW:

I call bull on this.

It's been a common rumor. The source might have not worded the proposed deal in full, but...

Henderson + #9 for Afflalo +12 isn't anything new

I call bull just like you though on #9 + (fill in a player) for Afflalo straight up

Amen on the last line, man would I be furious if we did something that stupid.

[JDR720]

Arron + 12th for Gerald and 9th

The only trade i would do

[mrknowitall215]

Arron + 12th for Gerald and 9th

The only trade i would do

I was once anti towards this trade, but nowadays knowing that Harris/Stauskas/McDermott are pretty much the only options they are rumored to be seriously considering at #9, I'm becoming proponent to it in hopes that all three are drafted before #12 and Cho has no choice but to take Young/LaVine. However, the Debbie-downer is the possibility of Harris falling to #12 (which is likely) or Elfrid Payton, and he still don't consider neither Young or LaVine