The Gordon Hayward Thread

[HornetJail]

So Neal and our 2015 1st? That's the best I would be willing to offer if I was Cho.

I would actually be alright with the Hayward situation if we offered Zeller, Neal, Henderson, Taylor to Utah, and then went out and paid Lance.
Al/Biz
Vonleh/MKG
Hayward/MKG
Stephenson/CDR/Hairston
Kemba/____

They're not taking Henderson, and if we were sending out Zeller we'd be using most of the rest of our cap to go after a power forward.

They need someone to take the role left by Lance Stephenson's exit. Who does that? CJ Miles?

They still don't even have cap space to make a signing and would have a gaping hole at the SG/SF position (whichever PG doesn't play).

Their roster looks like this without Lance:
Hibbert/Mahinmi
West/Scola
Paul George/Copeland
CJ Miles
George Hill/CJ Watson
plus a couple of Euros.
and they're still capped out with that.

The Pacers seriously don't have any shooting guards and they would gladly take Henderson off our hands if Stephenson left them.

[MasterIchiro]

Guess we will find out in the next 12 hours or so.

Here's the start of that conversation

Cho: Hello, Rich Cho here with the Charlotte Hornets

Jazz guy: Proceed...

Cho: Well I'm calling about trade possibilities

Jazz guy: Mr. Cho, I see you've had an eventful few days. You're not getting our guy.

Cho (nervous giggle): We had a pretty good idea you wouldn't go down without a fight. I'm sure the last thing you will do is let Gordon go, just like that.

Jazz guy: Indeed...

Cho: So what will it take to get him? Name the player. We really like Gordon...

Assuming a S&T were to happen I would be rather irate if Zeller was included.

Well there's 2 things you can do.

1) Renounce your fanhood
2) Hoist yourself into oncoming traffic
3) Both (I know this is 3 and I said 2 but still)

These seem to be popular options around here, at least amongst inhabitants of the MKG love-dome.

[mrknowitall215]

If Utah matches which is what everyone is saying today do we then offer lance the same contract?

I would hope not. There's no need to overpay any of these middling efficiency players that type of money...and I want Stephenson, but there's a such thing of making considerate offers to avoid maxing out your team's potential. If this is the case, we might as well kept Higgins in office. At least if he was going to offer a max contract, it would've been to Carmelo Anthony or Chris Bosh

[LofJ]

I would actually be alright with the Hayward situation if we offered Zeller, Neal, Henderson, Taylor to Utah, and then went out and paid Lance.
Al/Biz
Vonleh/MKG
Hayward/MKG
Stephenson/CDR/Hairston
Kemba/____

They're not taking Henderson, and if we were sending out Zeller we'd be using most of the rest of our cap to go after a power forward.

They need someone to take the role left by Lance Stephenson's exit. Who does that? CJ Miles?

They still don't even have cap space to make a signing and would have a gaping hole at the SG/SF position (whichever PG doesn't play).

Their roster looks like this without Lance:
Hibbert/Mahinmi
West/Scola
Paul George/Copeland
CJ Miles
George Hill/CJ Watson
plus a couple of Euros.
and they're still capped out with that.

The Pacers seriously don't have any shooting guards and they would gladly take Henderson off our hands if Stephenson left them.

The Pacers would, but the Jazz wouldn't. That's what I was saying in my previous post.

[JDR720]

I wouldn't do a S&T with the Jazz if i were Cho, i'd just keep telling them no and see if they have the balls to match when Gordon signs, if they dont match, great we got our guy, if not its ok also we can just dump that money on someone else

[MasterIchiro]

I wouldn't do a S&T with the Jazz if i were Cho, i'd just keep telling them no and see if they have the balls to match when Gordon signs, if they dont match, great we got our guy, if not its ok also we can just dump that money on someone else

Cho knows losing a franchise player for nothing is not an option.

[Joest2003]

If Utah matches which is what everyone is saying today do we then offer lance the same contract?

I would hope not. There's no need to overpay any of these middling efficiency players that type of money...and I want Stephenson, but there's a such thing of making considerate offers to avoid maxing out your team's potential. If this is the case, we might as well kept Higgins in office. At least if he was going to offer a max contract, it would've been to Carmelo Anthony or Chris Bosh

Lance is far from a middling efficiency player the guy is a stat stuffer. He literally does everything. Rebounding, scoring,pplaymaking, and can D up the best player in the world. Hes the ONLY one id be happy with signing to a max

[LofJ]

I wouldn't do a S&T with the Jazz if i were Cho, i'd just keep telling them no and see if they have the balls to match when Gordon signs, if they dont match, great we got our guy, if not its ok also we can just dump that money on someone else

Cho knows losing a franchise player for nothing is not an option.

Fine, they can have their choice of Neal or Henderson and a pick from us. For someone as smart as you I'd think you would have to realize that sending them MKG in addition to paying Hayward the max is not smart business. If we've already reached an informal agreement to sign Stephenson as well (and ship out Henderson) then fine, otherwise it makes no sense.

[MasterIchiro]

I wouldn't do a S&T with the Jazz if i were Cho, i'd just keep telling them no and see if they have the balls to match when Gordon signs, if they dont match, great we got our guy, if not its ok also we can just dump that money on someone else

Cho knows losing a franchise player for nothing is not an option.

Fine, they can have their choice of Neal or Henderson and a pick from us. For someone as smart as you I'd think you would have to realize that sending them MKG in addition to paying Hayward the max is not smart business. If we've already reached an informal agreement to sign Stephenson as well (and ship out Henderson) then fine, otherwise it makes no sense.

Who said a sign + trade deal would have Hayward on the max? It would be 5 years with the money more spread out, lower annually.

[mrknowitall215]

If Utah matches which is what everyone is saying today do we then offer lance the same contract?

I would hope not. There's no need to overpay any of these middling efficiency players that type of money...and I want Stephenson, but there's a such thing of making considerate offers to avoid maxing out your team's potential. If this is the case, we might as well kept Higgins in office. At least if he was going to offer a max contract, it would've been to Carmelo Anthony or Chris Bosh

Lance is far from a middling efficiency player the guy is a stat stuffer. He literally does everything. Rebounding, scoring,pplaymaking, and can D up the best player in the world. Hes the ONLY one id be happy with signing to a max

Lance Stephenson is even more middling efficiency than Gordon Hayward. They both are the prime definition of the phrase. When I state middling efficiency, that doesn't mean that they aren't versatile all-around players that are stat stuffers. When I state middling efficiency, I mean that they both hover around or below the league average of player efficiency, 15.0 PER, and are limited scorers

[HornetJail]

They're not taking Henderson, and if we were sending out Zeller we'd be using most of the rest of our cap to go after a power forward.

They need someone to take the role left by Lance Stephenson's exit. Who does that? CJ Miles?

They still don't even have cap space to make a signing and would have a gaping hole at the SG/SF position (whichever PG doesn't play).

Their roster looks like this without Lance:
Hibbert/Mahinmi
West/Scola
Paul George/Copeland
CJ Miles
George Hill/CJ Watson
plus a couple of Euros.
and they're still capped out with that.

The Pacers seriously don't have any shooting guards and they would gladly take Henderson off our hands if Stephenson left them.

The Pacers would, but the Jazz wouldn't. That's what I was saying in my previous post.

Oops, I am having similar discussions about what to do with Hayward and Lance Stephenson in about 3 or 4 different threads right now.

[ARHornet]

Here's the start of that conversation

Cho: Hello, Rich Cho here with the Charlotte Hornets

Jazz guy: Proceed...

Cho: Well I'm calling about trade possibilities

Jazz guy: Mr. Cho, I see you've had an eventful few days. You're not getting our guy.

Cho (nervous giggle): We had a pretty good idea you wouldn't go down without a fight. I'm sure the last thing you will do is let Gordon go, just like that.

Jazz guy: Indeed...

Cho: So what will it take to get him? Name the player. We really like Gordon...

Assuming a S&T were to happen I would be rather irate if Zeller was included.

Well there's 2 things you can do.

1) Renounce your fanhood
2) Hoist yourself into oncoming traffic
3) Both (I know this is 3 and I said 2 but still)

These seem to be popular options around here, at least amongst inhabitants of the MKG love-dome.

You'll have those same choices to make when you face the reality that MKG isn't being traded.

[LofJ]

Cho knows losing a franchise player for nothing is not an option.

Fine, they can have their choice of Neal or Henderson and a pick from us. For someone as smart as you I'd think you would have to realize that sending them MKG in addition to paying Hayward the max is not smart business. If we've already reached an informal agreement to sign Stephenson as well (and ship out Henderson) then fine, otherwise it makes no sense.

Who said a sign + trade deal would have Hayward on the max? It would be 5 years with the money more spread out, lower annually.

Oh okay, that makes much more sense.

[Liver_Pooty]

I stayed up until 3:30 this morning discussing this ordeal and had to be up at 7. This free agency is making me exhausted.

[MasterIchiro]

Assuming a S&T were to happen I would be rather irate if Zeller was included.

Well there's 2 things you can do.

1) Renounce your fanhood
2) Hoist yourself into oncoming traffic
3) Both (I know this is 3 and I said 2 but still)

These seem to be popular options around here, at least amongst inhabitants of the MKG love-dome.

You'll have those same choices to make when you face the reality that MKG isn't being traded.

No no no. I will not kill myself, I will BLOW UP THE WHOLE UNIVERSE

[JDR720]

I stayed up until 3:30 this morning discussing this ordeal and had to be up at 7. This free agency is making me exhausted.

Alex Kennedy has slept like 7 hours since it started

[vorbis]

what would make a 5 year offer more palatable for the hornets than the 4yr sheet? they put a player option on the 4th year so clearly they're comfortable with a shorter commitment.

[Liver_Pooty]

Bonnell dropping bombs!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/486898801227988992[/tweet]

[mrknowitall215]

Bonnell dropping bombs!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/486898801227988992[/tweet]

[MasterIchiro]

Fine, they can have their choice of Neal or Henderson and a pick from us. For someone as smart as you I'd think you would have to realize that sending them MKG in addition to paying Hayward the max is not smart business. If we've already reached an informal agreement to sign Stephenson as well (and ship out Henderson) then fine, otherwise it makes no sense.

Who said a sign + trade deal would have Hayward on the max? It would be 5 years with the money more spread out, lower annually.

Oh okay, that makes much more sense.

I speculate Cho/Jordan/Clifford presented Gordon Hayward + family with 2 offers, one private, one released to the public. We see the 4 year 63 million. There must be an alternative though that the Jazz can technically offer at 5 years with the money more spread out and Hayward and family must have agreed to that one as well. 5 years, 70 million? That's 14 million per season, which is where I have Hayward pegged.