Fake Trade Thread #3

BlackOutBuzz · Post #621 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:58 pm

DY_nasty wrote:a few bad preseason games is all it takes to go from "we don't need a center, PJ can hold it down" to "trade pj immediately"

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez you guys are a trip lmao

PJ was our best rookie in at least a decade... maybe since Okafor, and we're trying to dump him after a failed preseason experiment.

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JDuaneWayne · Post #622 » by **JDuaneWayne** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:00 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:a few bad preseason games is all it takes to go from "we don't need a center, PJ can hold it down" to "trade pj immediately"

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez you guys are a trip lmao
PJ was our best rookie in at least a decade... maybe since Okafor, and we're trying to dump him after a failed preseason experiment.

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No kidding! I think our biggest mistake has been paying on potential. We literally have overpaid everyone on this iteration of our team except Kemba. Now we want to mortgage cheap potential and pay someone about what they're worth (i.e. Turner) :banghead:

Post #623 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:02 am

PJ
For
Wiseman

LaMelo tossing up alley oops to Wiseman?

Yeah baby!!!

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Rich4114 · Post #624 » by **Rich4114** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:11 pm

Miles, Zeller and Rozier for Wiggins and Wiseman?

-Ian- · Post #625 » by **-Ian-** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:29 pm

Why trade for Wiseman when we can have Mobley next year? (fingers crossed)

MasterIchiro · Post #626 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:51 pm

-Ian- wrote:Why trade for Wiseman when we can have Mobley next year? (fingers crossed)

Yup. Mobley looks like a plus as a playmaker, shooter and scorer.

I'm curious what the Clippers would pay at the deadline for Rozier. Beverly + Zubac fits. I'd love Zubac and if we get Mobley Zubac at 7 is a cheap backup whenever Mobley is ready to start. Mobley will need to bulk up a little bit. He moves and handles like a stretch 4. He flashing the playmaking ability of a wing.

LaMelo - Beverly
Graham - Monk
Hayward - McDaniels - Cody Martin
Bridges - Washington
Mobley - Zubac - Carey Jr./Richards

Braggins · Post #627 » by **Braggins** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:50 pm

Mobley is probably going top 3. Warriors aren't trading Wiseman, though.

Benjamin Linus · Post #628 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:20 pm

Devonte' for Mitchell Robinson + our 2021 second round pick back or one of those Dallas FRPs?

MPM · Post #629 » by **MPM** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:40 pm

I know a number of us like the idea of Jarrett Allen (I do), but I get a sense that he's not necessarily a player the Nets want to part with. However, with them on the hook for 2 more years of Jordan (and dropping hints about a lucrative future contract for Allen) this would seem to leave Nic Claxton at least somewhat exposed. Color me intrigued - a long, energetic, 21-year-old, multi-faceted defender that can board. https://www.netsdaily.com/2020/10/9/21508900/the-forgotten-man-will-nicolas-claxton-get-some-meaningful-minutes-next-season

EDIT: I could see a smaller move like Monk for Claxton to shore up our front court (works straight up). I know the Nets are high on Claxton, but perhaps the redundancy on their end and promise of Monk's potential could tempt them.

MasterIchiro · Post #630 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:47 pm

Benjamin Linus wrote:Devonte' for Mitchell Robinson + our 2021 second round pick back or one of those Dallas FRPs?

I'd say Devonte' is more likely to go because Rozier doesn't net a quality center. I might prefer Wendell Carter Jr to Mitchell Robinson but I wouldn't lose sleep over this swap of second round picks who outperformed their draft slot. Bulls need a PG just as much as the Knicks.

Realistically though I think LaMelo will be developed more gradually. Trading Devonte' or Rozier would throw Ball into the fire. I'm not sure that's the orgs development style. It seems they like watching paint dry.

The team has strong guard play and depth in the backcourt and they probably want to keep it. If Monk were ready to start by now I think you could more comfortably entertain this kind of deal. If anything, LaMelo will gradually earn his way into the starting lineup and Devonte' will become the backup PG and 6th man. I just hope we pay him accordingly.

Post #631 » by **BigSlam** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:58 pm

MPM wrote:I know a number of us like the idea of Jarrett Allen (I do), but I get a sense that he's not necessarily a player the Nets want to part with. However, with them on the hook for 2 more years of Jordan (and dropping hints about a lucrative future contract for Allen) this would seem to leave Nic Claxton at least somewhat exposed. Color me intrigued - a long, energetic, 21-year-old, multi-faceted defender that can board. https://www.netsdaily.com/2020/10/9/21508900/the-forgotten-man-will-nicolas-claxton-get-some-meaningful-minutes-next-season

Interesting idea and Claxton does seem to have different aspects to his game that could be intriguing- but I wonder with him being so unproven if we’d get much more out of him than we could Vernon and/or Richards?

And if that’s the case, why not just give them a shot?

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MPM · Post #632 » by **MPM** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:06 pm

BigSlam wrote:
MPM wrote:I know a number of us like the idea of Jarrett Allen (I do), but I get a sense that he's not necessarily a player the Nets want to part with. However, with them on the hook for 2 more years of Jordan (and dropping hints about a lucrative future contract for Allen) this would seem to leave Nic Claxton at least somewhat exposed. Color me intrigued - a long, energetic, 21-year-old, multi-faceted defender that can board. https://www.netsdaily.com/2020/10/9/21508900/the-forgotten-man-will-nicolas-claxton-get-some-meaningful-minutes-next-season

Interesting idea and Claxton does seem to have different aspects to his game that could be intriguing- but I wonder with him being so unproven if we’d get much more out of him than we could Vernon and/or Richards?

And if that’s the case, why not just give them a shot?

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Mostly Sunday daydreaming about legit frontcourt options

Thank God for Muscala. Made us look passable last game. I'm definitely onboard with throwing our rook bigs into the fire at this point. Not like they're going to screw up anything we have going on down low. However, Claxton appears to currently be a solid version of what we hope Richards might become and my ongoing hope is we somehow, someway move on from a-for-effort Cody. I'd love to at least get a glimpse of Carey - maybe tonight will be the night.

amcoolio · Post #633 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:03 am

The Bulls are a dumpster fire. They will make some panic trades soon. Which big would you prefer, WCJ or Lauri? WCJ just seems so average and blah to me but is the better rim protector

LofJ · Post #634 » by **LofJ** » Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:21 pm

amcoolio wrote:The Bulls are a dumpster fire. They will make some panic trades soon. Which big would you prefer, WCJ or Lauri? WCJ just seems so average and blah to me but is the better rim protector

No one on that team plays defense. I don't want to go back to the days where we had to rely on Kemba to score because everyone else on the team was hopeless, but I also don't want to be the Bulls.

So I guess WCJ? But he has another year on his rookie contract after this one so I think they'd only move him for an upgrade. I think they'd move Lauri Markkanen however, and I like him a lot offensively. But this team needs defense and rebounding from the 5 spot more than an offensive specialist.

Really, I'm just done with players that can't meaningfully contribute on offense or don't/can't defend. The 2nd round of the draft and MLE or less in free agency are the only resources that should be dedicated to those types of players. The only exceptions are for players that are absolutely elite on offense or defense (i.e. they raise the play of their team).

amcoolio · Post #635 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:50 pm

Lauri can rebound. He’s been horribly used in Chicago. I think you can plug him at center and he’d be a 20/10 guy. I like the offensive fit and we would just have to bank on getting our defense to work with him in there. I’m not sure we can fix our defense any time soon though without sacrificing a ton of offense

JMAC3 · Post #636 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:25 pm

amcoolio wrote:Lauri can rebound. He’s been horribly used in Chicago. I think you can plug him at center and he’d be a 20/10 guy. I like the offensive fit and we would just have to bank on getting our defense to work with him in there. I’m not sure we can fix our defense any time soon though without sacrificing a ton of offense

How many minutes is Lauri logging at Center now? I think he pretty much plays the 4, I could be wrong. Not sure he can guard centers at this point and also not sure I would want to give up what Bulls would be asking for him.

amcoolio · Post #637 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:56 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
amcoolio wrote:Lauri can rebound. He’s been horribly used in Chicago. I think you can plug him at center and he’d be a 20/10 guy. I like the offensive fit and we would just have to bank on getting our defense to work with him in there. I’m not sure we can fix our defense any time soon though without sacrificing a ton of offense

How many minutes is Lauri logging at Center now? I think he pretty much plays the 4, I could be wrong. Not sure he can guard centers at this point and also not sure I would want to give up what Bulls would be asking for him.

They wouldn’t ask for much. A Graham/Lauri swap works. Rozier slides to PG, we start Miles at 3, and bench Washington or Biz based on matchups

JMAC3 · Post #638 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:45 am

amcoolio wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
amcoolio wrote:Lauri can rebound. He’s been horribly used in Chicago. I think you can plug him at center and he’d be a 20/10 guy. I like the offensive fit and we would just have to bank on getting our defense to work with him in there. I’m not sure we can fix our defense any time soon though without sacrificing a ton of offense

How many minutes is Lauri logging at Center now? I think he pretty much plays the 4, I could be wrong. Not sure he can guard centers at this point and also not sure I would want to give up what Bulls would be asking for him.

They wouldn’t ask for much. A Graham/Lauri swap works. Rozier slides to PG, we start Miles at 3, and bench Washington or Biz based on matchups

Seems like a trade where you are far too focused on the starting 5. It is okay to have good players coming off the bench. I will have to do more research on Lauri but he isn’t a guy my gut is telling me to trade for no matter what.

Braggins · Post #639 » by **Braggins** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:55 am

Lauri is off to a hot start and was pretty highly regarded as a prospect by a lot of people before his struggles last year, so I'm not sure how available he'd really be.

I always kind of liked WCJ as a prospect, but hes been injured a lot and hasn't really had a chance to get in a groove. His production has been pretty underwhelming and he apparently weighs like 270lbs now. I'm not really sure how I feel about him now.

CuseMayne · Post #640 » by **CuseMayne** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:23 am

I think if we were somehow able to come away with Myles Turner, we'd be in business...

Not sure what we'd have to give up, or how highly the Pacers value him, but as far as a top 20ish Center, he's probably the closest we could, maybe, realistically aim for and acquire.