2021 Free Agency

[BigSlam]

A five way trade?

How often does something that big and convoluted go down??

Amazing.

[luciano-davidwesley]

A five way trade?

How often does something that big and convoluted go down??

Amazing.

Do you have a link? I can't find anything on twitter or google about a 5-way trade.

[MPM]

A five way trade?

How often does something that big and convoluted go down??

Amazing.

Do you have a link? I can't find anything on twitter or google about a 5-way trade.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263736/Spencer-Dinwiddie-To-Wizards-On-Three-Year-$62M-Deal-In-Five-Team-Trade

[BigSlam]

A five way trade?

How often does something that big and convoluted go down??

Amazing.

Do you have a link? I can't find anything on twitter or google about a 5-way trade.

Sorry - my bad. I was so excited at the announcement and complexity of the trade I neglected to add the details!!

I see MPM has the deets covered above.

How many phone calls must that monster have taken to get alignment across all 5 teams??

Crazy.

[GoBobs]

I have to think one of the reasons we didn't bring back Monk and DG was they looked at the roster and said can we pay those guys and then also afford to pay Rozier and Bridges next year. Then we have to pay PJ the year after that. Out of those 5 guys Monk and DG are the least valuable. DG is a nice player but never going to be good on defense or driving to the basket. Monk is not reliable.

So if we didn't want to bring DG back why pay Lauri? His offense is good but his defense sucks. He doesn't have any BBIQ, is always standing in the wrong place on D. He doesn't want a one or two year deal he wants a long expensive deal. Everyone else has passed. We should also.

Our best 5 man unit is still

LaMelo
Rozier
Hayward
Bridges
PJ

Really what we have lost is bench depth. Plumbdog might be an upgrade at center, he played pretty well last year.

The rest of the bench is

Ish
Martian
Martian
McDaniels
Vern
Richards
Bouknight
JT Thor
Kai

so.. we will see what happens, but if we signed say a vet center that is going to block a lot of our project guys from getting playing time even if they are ready. We have put a lot of irons in the fire we need to prepare for the chance one of them gets hot.

Same with the wing depth, Martians have shown some flashes. McDaniels had a few good games last year. Remember most players get better during the summer and there was no offseason last year. We need to give those guys a little more time before we are convinced we need an upgrade.

Where we are going to really struggle is if somebody gets hurt. If that happens though maybe we can get a decent pick. Maybe one of our young guys will take advantage of minutes and take a step.

Rozier might cost a lot next summer, but what if he is really good. What if he takes another step this season and we want to bring him back even at a high cost. What if Bridges takes another step. Same deal. Best thing we can do right now is be patient, save that money and see what happens down the road.

[luciano-davidwesley]

A five way trade?

How often does something that big and convoluted go down??

Amazing.

Do you have a link? I can't find anything on twitter or google about a 5-way trade.

Sorry - my bad. I was so excited at the announcement and complexity of the trade I neglected to add the details!!

I see MPM has the deets covered above.

How many phone calls must that monster have taken to get alignment across all 5 teams??

Crazy.

Showing your age there haha. Back in our day that would have been the case but they probably just did a zoom meeting now lol

[Chapelchilla]

Well for example we would have more cap to add flexibility to trades or possibly swallowed someone better with a bigger salary than Plumlee. Or we could have resigned Devonte instead of Ish and still been in the same cap situation.

To say the Batum stretch has not limited our options (and will continue to do so) is just silly. Last years free agent moves also contradict the direction we seem to have taken this year which makes the Gordon/Batum move all the more confusing still.

I get that NBA players today are bitches and only want to sign for contenders in big markets but we should have anticipated this last year when we signed Hayward. All of our focus should have been the OKC strategy of maximising cap flexibility for trades that consolidate and increase our draft assets from other teams wanting to shed payroll.

It's obvious that until Ball (hopefully) becomes an All-NBA sort of guy no free agents with choice will entertain signing here willingly. The draft, internal development and trades are our only hope of building a contender.

Your contradicting yourself in back to back paragraphs!
Hayward was a free agent with choice and he DID choose to sign here so perhaps it was a actually a good idea to nab him when we could?
Takes talent to attract talent right?
Ball and Hayward and Bridges with good developmental supporting talent like Bouknight/Jones may just make Charlotte appealing enough to sign another legit player or two next year with our 40 million in cap space.
Meanwhile, let’s keep most of the cap open for trades and/or sign a couple of guys who get cut this fall

Lol lets pat ourselves on the back for overpaying for old, soft, injury prone Hayward on a long term deal and stretching Batum. It has been clearly reported that we paid overs and far more than Indiana was willing to spend or otherwise he would have signed for them. It was a dumb move then and it still is.

I should have qualified my statement by saying no free agents will sign for us unless we significantly overpay or overcommit in length of contract. Overpaying and locking up cap for four years on mediocre/decent players does not ever create a contending roster. If we get more picks we can get better talent that is sustainable to keep under the cap as you constantly have a regular inlow of cost-controlled players in your rotation.

LOL, you are making up the facts to suit your negative hot takes as usual. Trolling? I have never seen a reputable source saying that Indiana wouldn't pay him, supposedly they did not want to trade Boston Myles Turner AND other assets PLUS pay him. Ainge got greedy. We stole him when we could. Nobody who came back from his gruesome injury can fairly be called soft either. He is also way more then "mediocre or decent" by any objective standard as well. According to ESPN's player rating he is our best player and ahead of Ben Simmons, Ayton, Morant etc.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Your contradicting yourself in back to back paragraphs!
Hayward was a free agent with choice and he DID choose to sign here so perhaps it was a actually a good idea to nab him when we could?
Takes talent to attract talent right?
Ball and Hayward and Bridges with good developmental supporting talent like Bouknight/Jones may just make Charlotte appealing enough to sign another legit player or two next year with our 40 million in cap space.
Meanwhile, let’s keep most of the cap open for trades and/or sign a couple of guys who get cut this fall

Lol lets pat ourselves on the back for overpaying for old, soft, injury prone Hayward on a long term deal and stretching Batum. It has been clearly reported that we paid overs and far more than Indiana was willing to spend or otherwise he would have signed for them. It was a dumb move then and it still is.

I should have qualified my statement by saying no free agents will sign for us unless we significantly overpay or overcommit in length of contract. Overpaying and locking up cap for four years on mediocre/decent players does not ever create a contending roster. If we get more picks we can get better talent that is sustainable to keep under the cap as you constantly have a regular inlow of cost-controlled players in your rotation.

LOL, you are making up the facts to suit your negative hot takes as usual. Trolling? I have never seen a reputable source saying that Indiana wouldn't pay him, supposedly they did not want to trade Boston Myles Turner AND other assets PLUS pay him. Ainge got greedy. We stole him when we could. Nobody who came back from his gruesome injury can fairly be called soft either. He is also way more then "mediocre or decent" by any objective standard as well. According to ESPN's player rating he is our best player and ahead of Ben Simmons, Ayton, Morant etc.

Anyone that doesn't even attempt to play in an playoff/play in elimination game after two months out with a sprained ankle is soft. You see guys playing through pain all the time if they could be bothered.

Fringe all-star rather than decent. Is that better? Fringe allstar is also probably being very generous seeing as though in two years from now he's going to be nowhere near that level and its been over four years since he made his sole ASG appearance. I feel lots better wasting $40 million in cap space and potential Batum deadline deal assets for him now.

I'm not negative, I've been very glad we didn't waste the bag this offseason on mediocre talent. It's just unfortunate we did last year. I thought the Plumlee trade was great and glad we didn't give up a first for a vet during the draft.

[Liver_Pooty]

Lol lets pat ourselves on the back for overpaying for old, soft, injury prone Hayward on a long term deal and stretching Batum. It has been clearly reported that we paid overs and far more than Indiana was willing to spend or otherwise he would have signed for them. It was a dumb move then and it still is.

I should have qualified my statement by saying no free agents will sign for us unless we significantly overpay or overcommit in length of contract. Overpaying and locking up cap for four years on mediocre/decent players does not ever create a contending roster. If we get more picks we can get better talent that is sustainable to keep under the cap as you constantly have a regular inlow of cost-controlled players in your rotation.

LOL, you are making up the facts to suit your negative hot takes as usual. Trolling? I have never seen a reputable source saying that Indiana wouldn't pay him, supposedly they did not want to trade Boston Myles Turner AND other assets PLUS pay him. Ainge got greedy. We stole him when we could. Nobody who came back from his gruesome injury can fairly be called soft either. He is also way more then "mediocre or decent" by any objective standard as well. According to ESPN's player rating he is our best player and ahead of Ben Simmons, Ayton, Morant etc.

Anyone that doesn't even attempt to play in an playoff/play in elimination game after two months out with a sprained ankle is soft. You see guys playing through pain all the time if they could be bothered.

Fringe all-star rather than decent. Is that better? Fringe allstar is also probably being very generous seeing as though in two years from now he's going to be nowhere near that level and its been over four years since he made his sole ASG appearance. I feel lots better wasting $40 million in cap space and potential Batum deadline deal assets for him now.

I'm not negative, I've been very glad we didn't waste the bag this offseason on mediocre talent. It's just unfortunate we did last year. I thought the Plumlee trade was great and glad we didn't give up a first for a vet during the draft.

Hayward was playing at an all star level most of the year before he got hurt. Nome of us know the severity of his injury this past season, but with Boston he killed himself to come back for the bubble and played hurt. I love the Hayward signing, just not the Batum stretch which is one of the very few mistakes Mitch has made.

[luciano-davidwesley]

LOL, you are making up the facts to suit your negative hot takes as usual. Trolling? I have never seen a reputable source saying that Indiana wouldn't pay him, supposedly they did not want to trade Boston Myles Turner AND other assets PLUS pay him. Ainge got greedy. We stole him when we could. Nobody who came back from his gruesome injury can fairly be called soft either. He is also way more then "mediocre or decent" by any objective standard as well. According to ESPN's player rating he is our best player and ahead of Ben Simmons, Ayton, Morant etc.

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He was going to Indiana for $20 million less over four years before Ainge dropped the ball. Hayward had basically agreed to their contract then changed his mind when Kupchak Mozgoved him.

This is why we should avoid free agents like the plague until we have some playoffs success and hopefully become a more desirable destination.

[Liver_Pooty]

LOL, you are making up the facts to suit your negative hot takes as usual. Trolling? I have never seen a reputable source saying that Indiana wouldn't pay him, supposedly they did not want to trade Boston Myles Turner AND other assets PLUS pay him. Ainge got greedy. We stole him when we could. Nobody who came back from his gruesome injury can fairly be called soft either. He is also way more then "mediocre or decent" by any objective standard as well. According to ESPN's player rating he is our best player and ahead of Ben Simmons, Ayton, Morant etc.

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He was going to Indiana for $20 million less over four years before Ainge dropped the ball. Hayward had basically agreed to their contract then changed his mind when Kupchak Mozgoved him.

This is why we should avoid free agents like the plague until we have some playoffs success and hopefully become a more desirable destination.

We had to pay someone extra to come play here instead of play in his home state. That's just the way it is.

[yosemiteben]

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[Liver_Pooty]

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Would've been perfect.

[LofJ]

The fact that Markkanen and Hart have yet to sign a contract coupled with the original news that players and draft considerations were coming to Charlotte likely means there's more to come.

The Bulls will have to rescind Markkanen's QO if they can't work something out before the moratorium is over. They don't have much negotiating power. I think he'll either be playing in Charlotte or New Orleans this coming season. And if it's New Orleans I expect at least Satoransky to be coming our way.

[bravor]

AS much as i have advocated for hart here in a trade, it makes zero sense now since Hornets need to know what to expect from Bouknight. Hart is a nice 3D wing if you decide to compete but obviously next year should be a full development year. Especially considering more teams in the East will try to compete (baring Wizards, Orlando & Cleveland as usual who needs a 214324532th lottery pick)

[LofJ]

JT Thor not being signed yet makes him a decent trade asset to send to either NO for Satoransky or him plus Carey to CHI for Markkanen. Mitch needs to get at least one of those two guys in a Hornets uniform.

[JDR720]

Something is still going on with the Graham trades. It's the only thing that makes some sense, that we have any rumors for. Why wouldn't Graham's trade be final if not?

Chicago signed a bunch of wings/guards. So I think Hart is available or White. Markkanen isn't going back either. So he is available.

[CuseMayne]

Yeah I feel that tomorrow after noon things will become much clearer around the league as all of these deals can be made official. Been looking forward to it all week so that the organization can speak freely about the moves that have been made.

[LofJ]

If no other player of significance is brought in I wonder how they're going to sell that. "Our team leaders expect to be in the playoffs. And we backed them up with the 2nd lowest payroll in the league. We believe in them!"

I don't expect that Mitch and team are done, but if not I would be fascinated to see how they justify such a low payroll for a team that is supposedly competing for the playoffs.

[BigSlam]

If no other player of significance is brought in I wonder how they're going to sell that. "Our team leaders expect to be in the playoffs. And we backed them up with the 2nd lowest payroll in the league. We believe in them!"

I don't expect that Mitch and team are done, but if not I would be fascinated to see how they justify such a low payroll for a team that is supposedly competing for the playoffs.

It’s not that hard - is it?

Because 3 of our 5 best players and starters are still on their rookie contacts (LaMelo, Miles & PJ) our salary sheet looks healthy.

With better luck with health (eg: not losing LaMelo & Gordon for significant stretches of time) we will be better positioned for more wins.

Projected natural improvement from our young guys entering their 2-4 seasons will add wins.

Contribution from at least 1 of our 4 draft picks will add depth.

Anyways, back to FA though (because that’s what this thread is for, not win/loss projections).