2025 General Draft Discussion 2

[driveandkick]

Any player refusing to work out here should immediately be off our board. This roster is already full of primadonnas who hardly act like this matters to them. To be honest I can see why these guys would not want to come here, I’m not even saying I blame them. But we should not be drafting anyone who doesn’t want to be here considering the current state of our team.

i disagree, we shouldnt settle for less talented prospects. if we send the message to agents/prospects that they wont get drafted here if they dont workout here we might never get a workout again. if these guys want to throw their careers away because they get drafted here thats just a risk we have to take. kneecapping ourselves over some stupid predraft agent games is crazy

I completely understand this. I hear every argument against Kon and completely understand it. I’m just sick of watching lazy basketball and guys who clearly don’t care a thing about this franchise. I don’t think Kon is a franchise savior. Is there a higher chance someone like Ace/Tre goes to the moon than Kon? Probably. So I see the argument that we should keep swinging for the fences.

I just think I’d rather work towards changing the culture first then start taking those swings. I watched a ton of Duke last year and watching Kon dive for loose balls up 20 points, things like that stuck with me because we haven’t had a core player approach the game this way since Kemba.

I guess I feel like our chances of actually hitting a grand slam will improve if we fix our culture first, and not vice versa.

[JMAC3]

Talent wins- there is a reason Moussa, Kris Dunn, Davion, Anthony Black aren’t highly sought after no matter how hard they play every night.

[Rays Pompadour]

Pre-draft posturing won't influence Charlotte's pick. It's already baked in. If Bailey goes 3, then Edgecombe is the pick at #4, and vice versa. The only wildcard is Philly taking Maluach, Johnson or Fears, thus giving the Hornets a terrific, terrible choice. I see no scenario where Charlotte trades out of the #4 spot. It's simply too valuable in a loaded draft. And I see no scenario where the Hornets don't get one of the two players available at #3 and #4.

[driveandkick]

I guess I feel like you can’t hit a grand slam until you get a few runners on base first

[driveandkick]

Pre-draft posturing won't influence Charlotte's pick. It's already baked in. If Bailey goes 3, then Edgecombe is the pick at #4, and vice versa. The only wildcard is Philly taking Maluach, Johnson or Fears, thus giving the Hornets a terrific, terrible choice. I see no scenario where Charlotte trades out of the #4 spot. It's simply too valuable in a loaded draft. And I see no scenario where the Hornets don't get one of the two players available at #3 and #4.

And for the record I won’t complain one iota if this is the approach

[fatlever]

Again, Miles didnt work out here and we still picked him. We go through this **** every lottery.

As I mentioned before Miles did actually workout for the Hornets after his freshman year. So it wasn't a completely blind pick. And yes we do have a history of drafting players that didn't work out for us but almost all of those were later in the lottery. Players often avoid working out late in the lottery because they don't want to be viewed as a late lottery pick rather than a top 6 pick or whatever. Usually when you're picking in the back half of the lottery you end up working out a lot of dudes that are more projected in the mid first round and later.

It's much more rare to have players turn you down when you are drafting forth unless those players are projected to go 1st and 2nd, like in this case flagg and Harper.
Only recent examples I can think of where players dodged workouts with the Hornets or outright turned them down when we had top five picks was when we had the 3rd pick and Baron Davis did not work out for us. We drafted him anyway. And Brandon Roy last minute cancel day workout with the Hornets the year we drafted ammo 3rd. There were rumors that Roy kind of faked a stomach illness in order to try to get to Portland which is where he wanted to go since it was Pacific Northwest

There any other examples from previous years where we have drafted in the top five where players have refused to work out for us? Not including guys that were projected to go first or second.

[countryboi]

I don't remember the exact details but Im pretty sure I remember that Peterson and maybe others in the front office all worked for Atlanta doing draft related stuff during a stretch where they were awful at drafting, so it really won't be surprising if this new group turns out to be complete duds here.

The Hornets job is mostly about needing to be good at drafting and so far theyve given us Salaun. Id say its a bad sign if they are locked in on Kon and can't even get workouts with anyone else...

Peterson's draft record with both the Hawks and the Nets is pretty bad. I know he wasn't the final decision maker in those situations but he was on those staffs at whiffed on a lot of first round picks.

I dont take much stock on being on the staff off a poor drafting team unless you are the guy making the calls.

[MasterIchiro]

Again, Miles didnt work out here and we still picked him. We go through this **** every lottery.

As I mentioned before Miles did actually workout for the Hornets after his freshman year. So it wasn't a completely blind pick. And yes we do have a history of drafting players that didn't work out for us but almost all of those were later in the lottery. Players often avoid working out late in the lottery because they don't want to be viewed as a late lottery pick rather than a top 6 pick or whatever. Usually when you're picking in the back half of the lottery you end up working out a lot of dudes that are more projected in the mid first round and later.

It's much more rare to have players turn you down when you are drafting forth unless those players are projected to go 1st and 2nd, like in this case flagg and Harper.
Only recent examples I can think of where players dodged workouts with the Hornets or outright turned them down when we had top five picks was when we had the 3rd pick and Baron Davis did not work out for us. We drafted him anyway. And Brandon Roy last minute cancel day workout with the Hornets the year we drafted ammo 3rd. There were rumors that Roy kind of faked a stomach illness in order to try to get to Portland which is where he wanted to go since it was Pacific Northwest

There any other examples from previous years where we have drafted in the top five where players have refused to work out for us? Not including guys that were projected to go first or second.

It makes sense that because 3-8 is considered flat, all the agents posture like their guy could be gone before 4.

[KembaWalker]

I guess I feel like you can’t hit a grand slam until you get a few runners on base first

its just too slow to build drafting guys like Kon. if you already think the core of this team is rotten (i probably would agree) we need to deal with that problem directly at this point and not try to patch it up using top 5 picks on role players and ignoring the real problem.

[driveandkick]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned yet, but Vecenie said the team has had conversations about “moving up and down.” We’ve spent so much time talking about moving down, but this is the first I’ve really heard that going up could even be a remote possibility. It’s probably just due diligence, but it’s tough to imagine us getting higher than 3. So I wonder what a move from 3 to 4 would look like.

[fatlever]

sam v think we should move up to 3 to secure vj
he had suggesed 4, 33 and taking on drummonds deal.

[driveandkick]

sam v think we should move up to 3 to secure vj
he had suggesed 4, 33 and taking on drummonds deal.

I don’t think I’d have any issues doing that if the team is truly that high on VJ.

[MasterIchiro]

sam v think we should move up to 3 to secure vj
he had suggesed 4, 33 and taking on drummonds deal.

It's like those proposals drawn up for trading up for James Wiseman. Hopefully we stay put and add a LaMelo level talent.

[fatlever]

koc updated big board
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/pre-draft-board/?view=default&board=0&filter=

flagg
harper
kon
tre
vj
ace
coward
fears
cmb
essengue
sorber
maluach
queen

[fatlever]

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Nata ranks them

Tre
Ace
Kon
Vj

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[driveandkick]

This trade was brought up on HP and I only bring it up cause it would make some sense

#4 (Ace)
Mark Williams

To BKN for:
Claxton
#8
Two future firsts

I feel like I could talk myself into a deal like that

[SWedd523]

We trade the two best pieces in that deal. I don't get it

[GiggitySmalls]

Seems about right. Brooklyn isnt winning anytime soon. Their firsts will be valuable.

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[EmpireFalls]

This trade was brought up on HP and I only bring it up cause it would make some sense

#4 (Ace)
Mark Williams

To BKN for:
Claxton
#8
Two future firsts

I feel like I could talk myself into a deal like that

Jeff Peterson would need to lose his job on the spot.

[HornetJail]

This trade was brought up on HP and I only bring it up cause it would make some sense

#4 (Ace)
Mark Williams

To BKN for:
Claxton
#8
Two future firsts

I feel like I could talk myself into a deal like that

Jeff Peterson would need to lose his job on the spot.

this, or those 1sts need to be PRIME assets