NBA ChoK16 - the Rich Cho Thread

[yosemiteben]

"We haven't decided whether Biz will get a QO" isn't terribly surprising but it is beyond stupid. Right after saying "we could use another big, " no less.

I think Cho is the king of saying nothing. We know nothing gets leaked from our FO, and he makes non-statements in pressers. I seriously wouldn't read anything into any part of what he said.

He talked about his exit interview with Lance and mentioned how Lance plans to stay in Charlotte this summer and have a better season next season. I still would not be surprised at all if Cho pulled the trigger on any trade for Lance that gives him reasonable value.

[Liver_Pooty]

Sounds like normal Cho talk.

[OmegaAtrocity]

I think by another "big" he meant another center. Even if we keep Biz we only have him and Jefferson (who was injured for what felt like 3/4 of the season).

[fatlever]

I think by another "big" he meant another center. Even if we keep Biz we only have him and Jefferson (who was injured for what felt like 3/4 of the season).

right. our 3rd center can't be 6'6" jason maxiel again.

[fatlever]

Sounds like the front office is hitching their wagon to Al Jefferson and Lance Stephenson again next year and just praying those two show up in shape and play better. That's a scary strategy. I would not be shocked at all to see our opening day starting lineup be exactly the same as last year's opening day starting lineup (except Zeller instead of Marvin). Kemba, Lance, MKG, Zeller, Jefferson

[JDR720]

I think we still try and trade lance. the other big + our need for shooting makes me think of Kaminsky

[LofJ]

Sounds like the front office is hitching their wagon to Al Jefferson and Lance Stephenson again next year and just praying those two show up in shape and play better. That's a scary strategy. I would not be shocked at all to see our opening day starting lineup be exactly the same as last year's opening day starting lineup (except Zeller instead of Marvin). Kemba, Lance, MKG, Zeller, Jefferson

Attempting to bring Lance's value up is the right move in my opinion. Unless some team views him as a good asset and offers us some value back, we should do what we can to salvage the situation at least until the trade deadline. And if we actually are planning on moving Al we'd never admit that publicly, hell we probably wouldn't even tell Al until the deal was agreed to.

[therebirth]

It's not like they have a choice. The players have the options not the team.

[fatlever]

http://www.atthehive.com/2015/5/26/8649 ... d-rich-cho

At The Hive has a long write-up on Cho's moves to date. Personally, I think it is way too kind.

[Hornet Mania]

http://www.atthehive.com/2015/5/26/8649 ... d-rich-cho

At The Hive has a long write-up on Cho's moves to date. Personally, I think it is way too kind.

It's definitely on the positive side but I don't think it is entirely unfair. I think Cho's moves have been relatively solid so far, even the Lance signing looked good at the time. The only signings/picks I questioned at the time were Zeller and Marvin Williams, but I've since come around on Zeller. Signing Marv to be a 4 was a bad move though, one that could be seen coming.

I think the next two years will make or break my opinion of Cho. I love that we haven't tanked ourselves with any long-term toxic deals (even Lance and Marv are just 2yr mistakes, Kemba can be moved if necessary) but I get the feeling he's going to push all his chips into the center of the table by the summer of 2016. I'm afraid that move is "re-sign Al to another big deal because no one else is taking our giant mountain of cash", that would be the day he loses my support.

[mrknowitall215]

I think Cho get too much of a pass on his lackluster results solely based on the his predecessors more than his actual productivity as a GM. This non-playoff team is currently strung-held financially unless a pair of players unlikely opt out of the final year of their contract(s). However, Cho has provided himself some legroom on Air Jordan's plight whereas I doubt he's currently on the hot seat, but I do think the 2016 offseason/2016-17 regular season will be make or break for Cho's helm as the general manager of the Charlotte Hornets

[LofJ]

http://www.atthehive.com/2015/5/26/8649 ... d-rich-cho

At The Hive has a long write-up on Cho's moves to date. Personally, I think it is way too kind.

It's definitely on the positive side but I don't think it is entirely unfair. I think Cho's moves have been relatively solid so far, even the Lance signing looked good at the time. The only signings/picks I questioned at the time were Zeller and Marvin Williams, but I've since come around on Zeller. Signing Marv to be a 4 was a bad move though, one that could be seen coming.

I think the next two years will make or break my opinion of Cho. I love that we haven't tanked ourselves with any long-term toxic deals (even Lance and Marv are just 2yr mistakes, Kemba can be moved if necessary) but I get the feeling he's going to push all his chips into the center of the table by the summer of 2016. I'm afraid that move is "re-sign Al to another big deal because no one else is taking our giant mountain of cash", that would be the day he loses my support.

Ditto, I will quit following the team until new management is brought in if we re-sign Al to a big deal. His weak defense and ball stopping offense belong to an older era, he's a dinosaur in this league and only an incompetent team would fail to see that.

[JDR720]

yea resigning Al would make me lose my mind.

I dont think any of his other deals have hurt us, and the ones that have (Lance) seemed like good ideas at the time.

his worst move that has long term penalty might've been extending Kemba too soon.

[Hornet Mania]

I think Cho get too much of a pass on his lackluster results solely based on the his predecessors more than his actual productivity as a GM. This non-playoff team is currently strung-held financially unless a pair of players unlikely opt out of the final year of their contract(s). However, Cho has provided himself some legroom on Air Jordan's plight whereas I doubt he's currently on the hot seat, but I do think the 2016 offseason/2016-17 regular season will be make or break for Cho's helm as the general manager of the Charlotte Hornets

This is certainly true to an extent. The past regimes made so many bone-headed decisions and poor draft choices through the years that just being consistently mediocre is a step up. Even last season, only a 7th seed playoff appearance, looks better if you compare it to recent history ("Hey guys, we made the playoffs for the second time since we re-entered the league! Sure it was a sweep, but we actually have young guys this time instead of old vets on soon-to-be toxic contracts!").

I also appreciate Cho's conservative nature more when I look around the league and see GMs jettisoning their franchise into space for the next five years by giving Drew Gooden-types $40 million deals, or just being fleeced in every single trade over and over again. I hope he puts something decent together in the summer of 2016. Every single team having max cap room, with tons of players aiming to cash in on that, is a situation every fan base should be very concerned about.

[driveandkick]

Not signing Biyombo would be a massive mistake. He should be cheap, he'll be getting backup big money and he's one of the best backup bigs in the NBA. He was blocking and rebounding the ball at historical rates last year. He's only 22!!!!!!! Made huge strides on offense last season. Whether or not he's the Al replacement is a different question, but he's worth 4/20 every damn day of the week. Not retaining him would be a catastrophic mistake.

E: and yeah resigning Al would make me lose my ****. Right now the player we need to worry about resigning is MKG. Imo the longer we wait the more that price tag is gonna go up.

[LofJ]

I hope Cho trades out of the coming cap bonanza as much as possible without screwing up our longer term outlook. That primarily means trading Al for someone on a longer deal.

[Hornet Mania]

I hope Cho trades out of the coming cap bonanza as much as possible without screwing up our longer term outlook. That primarily means trading Al for someone on a longer deal.

I'd also be fine with just sitting on that cash if no good options are available. Even if a team is under the salary floor there is no penalty aside from having to split whatever you didn't spend on other guys among the 15 players on your roster. A bunch of teams are going to want to blow all their space in one summer, might be wise to lay back and really go hard at 2017 or 2018 (Curry?) when there is less competition.

Cap space is basically a given for every team the next couple years, but after that it's going to settle down again. If we can get a marquee guy in 2016 that would be great, but if we can't I'm fine with re-signing our young guys and waiting to use our space in the future. I doubt that's going to happen though. MJ probably expects some sort of results that summer.

[LofJ]

Spoiler:

I hope Cho trades out of the coming cap bonanza as much as possible without screwing up our longer term outlook. That primarily means trading Al for someone on a longer deal.

I'd also be fine with just sitting on that cash if no good options are available. Even if a team is under the salary floor there is no penalty aside from having to split whatever you didn't spend on other guys among the 15 players on your roster. A bunch of teams are going to want to blow all their space in one summer, might be wise to lay back and really go hard at 2017 or 2018 (Curry?) when there is less competition.

Cap space is basically a given for every team the next couple years, but after that it's going to settle down again. If we can get a marquee guy in 2016 that would be great, but if we can't I'm fine with re-signing our young guys and waiting to use our space in the future. I doubt that's going to happen though. MJ probably expects some sort of results that summer.

If we keep Al it greatly increases the odds we offer him an extension, that's why I want him gone. I agree with everything else you said though.

[Braggins]

http://www.atthehive.com/2015/5/26/8649 ... d-rich-cho

At The Hive has a long write-up on Cho's moves to date. Personally, I think it is way too kind.

It's definitely on the positive side but I don't think it is entirely unfair. I think Cho's moves have been relatively solid so far, even the Lance signing looked good at the time. The only signings/picks I questioned at the time were Zeller and Marvin Williams, but I've since come around on Zeller. Signing Marv to be a 4 was a bad move though, one that could be seen coming.

I think the next two years will make or break my opinion of Cho. I love that we haven't tanked ourselves with any long-term toxic deals (even Lance and Marv are just 2yr mistakes, Kemba can be moved if necessary) but I get the feeling he's going to push all his chips into the center of the table by the summer of 2016. I'm afraid that move is "re-sign Al to another big deal because no one else is taking our giant mountain of cash", that would be the day he loses my support.

Ditto, I will quit following the team until new management is brought in if we re-sign Al to a big deal. His weak defense and ball stopping offense belong to an older era, he's a dinosaur in this league and only an incompetent team would fail to see that.

I'm in the same boat. I'm struggling to convince myself to watch another year of Charlotte Alcats. If we extend him I'm done.

[yosemiteben]

If he stays healthy and dominates of course we'll try to resign him. If he doesn't we won't.

I won't be mad if we resign him after next season if he really improves as long as he isn't looking for a huge, long term deal. If he wants a top of the market deal, then good for him but it shouldn't be with us. I'm not gonna say under no circumstances should he be resigned though.