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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#641 » by countryboi » Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:37 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:Zach Lowe's take on us signing Jefferson.

And the Bobcats understand they are dealing with a major perception problem. There is being bad, and there is being a total embarrassment, and the Bobcats over the last two years have been the latter. That is untenable for a team holding a very fragile grip over its local market, likely losing money (before revenue-sharing), and carrying max-level cap space into the foreseeable future.

The Jefferson contract is bad. There is no way anyone could have watched the NBA over the last few seasons and concluded Jefferson might be worth double Millsap over the potential length of their deals, and about $4 million more than Millsap over a per-year basis. He’s a slow-footed, not intuitive defender against the pick-and-roll in a league in which just about every team runs a pick-and-roll on every possession. Want to be depressed, Charlotte fans? Find video of the Spurs-Jazz series from the 2012 playoffs.

And using up cap space on Jefferson early removed Charlotte from the list of teams that could have plucked an extra pick or two from Golden State in the Andris Biedrins–Richard Jefferson salary dump. There is always a cost to overspending one’s cap space — a lost opportunity to do something else, whether it’s snagging extra picks as trash ground for another team’s mistake, bidding on an amnestied player, or something else.

But Jefferson is a very good offensive player, if an overrated one, and the Bobcats over the last two seasons have been just as terrible on offense as on defense. Jefferson shoots 47 percent like clockwork, draws near-automatic double-teams to his residence on the left block, and avoids turnovers at a historically unprecedented rate. He’s not ultra-efficient — he rarely gets to the line — but he’s efficient enough, and he’ll take a ton of possessions away from very bad offensive players dotting the rest of this roster.

And there’s no long-term cap damage here, especially if Jefferson flees the scene after two seasons, as his deal will permit. Tyrus Thomas is the only other Bobcat on a non-rookie contract going forward, and the Cats have to vaporize his awful deal in order to sign Jefferson. Charlotte will still have max cap room next summer and (as projected) in 2015, and free agents will be more likely to at least consider the Bobcats then if they are a run-of-the-mill mediocrity and not a D-League outfit.

And Jefferson does enough damage to his team’s defense that he can only lift a club so high. The Bobcats this season will still be bad, perhaps bad enough to snag a top-five pick even while improving their leaguewide standing. Win-win?


I like how he dogs us out for signing jefferson and then says its a win/win...i need you to pick a side!
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#642 » by LamarMatic7 » Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:52 pm

countryboi wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:Zach Lowe's take on us signing Jefferson.

And the Bobcats understand they are dealing with a major perception problem. There is being bad, and there is being a total embarrassment, and the Bobcats over the last two years have been the latter. That is untenable for a team holding a very fragile grip over its local market, likely losing money (before revenue-sharing), and carrying max-level cap space into the foreseeable future.

The Jefferson contract is bad. There is no way anyone could have watched the NBA over the last few seasons and concluded Jefferson might be worth double Millsap over the potential length of their deals, and about $4 million more than Millsap over a per-year basis. He’s a slow-footed, not intuitive defender against the pick-and-roll in a league in which just about every team runs a pick-and-roll on every possession. Want to be depressed, Charlotte fans? Find video of the Spurs-Jazz series from the 2012 playoffs.

And using up cap space on Jefferson early removed Charlotte from the list of teams that could have plucked an extra pick or two from Golden State in the Andris Biedrins–Richard Jefferson salary dump. There is always a cost to overspending one’s cap space — a lost opportunity to do something else, whether it’s snagging extra picks as trash ground for another team’s mistake, bidding on an amnestied player, or something else.

But Jefferson is a very good offensive player, if an overrated one, and the Bobcats over the last two seasons have been just as terrible on offense as on defense. Jefferson shoots 47 percent like clockwork, draws near-automatic double-teams to his residence on the left block, and avoids turnovers at a historically unprecedented rate. He’s not ultra-efficient — he rarely gets to the line — but he’s efficient enough, and he’ll take a ton of possessions away from very bad offensive players dotting the rest of this roster.

And there’s no long-term cap damage here, especially if Jefferson flees the scene after two seasons, as his deal will permit. Tyrus Thomas is the only other Bobcat on a non-rookie contract going forward, and the Cats have to vaporize his awful deal in order to sign Jefferson. Charlotte will still have max cap room next summer and (as projected) in 2015, and free agents will be more likely to at least consider the Bobcats then if they are a run-of-the-mill mediocrity and not a D-League outfit.

And Jefferson does enough damage to his team’s defense that he can only lift a club so high. The Bobcats this season will still be bad, perhaps bad enough to snag a top-five pick even while improving their leaguewide standing. Win-win?


I like how he dogs us out for signing jefferson and then says its a win/win...i need you to pick a side!


He more so dogs the contract by pointing out Jefferson's flaws than our actual situation.
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#643 » by fatlever » Tue Jul 9, 2013 4:19 pm

and that is why zach lowe is the best in the business. great points all around.
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#644 » by Kembastockton » Tue Jul 9, 2013 6:03 pm

So can we now put aside this foolishness about Jefferson making us a playoff contender? :roll:
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#645 » by BlackOutBuzz » Tue Jul 9, 2013 6:05 pm

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Kemba Walker on Bobcats adding Al Jefferson: "Was I excited? I almost shredded a tear. That's what we need."
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#646 » by Kembastockton » Tue Jul 9, 2013 6:10 pm

I am not surprised. Many times I was disappointed at the look on Kemba's face when he would console Biz after yet another blown play yet impressed that he constantly continued to do so.
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#647 » by therebirth » Tue Jul 9, 2013 7:14 pm

This is what a lot of people are missing. Kember and MKG were probably staring to complain to the FO.
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#648 » by countryboi » Tue Jul 9, 2013 7:43 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:So can we now put aside this foolishness about Jefferson making us a playoff contender? :roll:


Al jefferson maybe not but big Al and Zeller....that should get us damn close
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#649 » by BeesWax » Tue Jul 9, 2013 8:01 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:So can we now put aside this foolishness about Jefferson making us a playoff contender? :roll:


I think so but it still scares me. At least Zeller should have a small impact his first season while he switches positions.
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#650 » by MKGsMotor » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:16 am

I highly doubt Kemba and especially low-maintenance, ROOKIE mkg complained to FO. I just think they drafted BPA Zeller and then had a chance to sign a top free agent and jumped on it.
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#651 » by Eoghan » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:24 am

MountBiyombo wrote:So can we now put aside this foolishness about Jefferson making us a playoff contender? :roll:

Making the playoffs is the least of our worries. It's narrowly missing the playoffs that puts us back into hell. Big Al makes this a possibility, albeit a low one.

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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#652 » by fatlever » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:39 pm

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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#653 » by BlackOutBuzz » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:28 pm

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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#654 » by BlackOutBuzz » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:32 pm

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@bobcats #AlJefferson what do you expect from your teammates? And what kind of leadership will you bring to our team?

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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#655 » by amcoolio » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:37 pm

Well, he's saying all the right things. Who knows, maybe Al Jefferson can have a Z-Bo type turnaround.
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#656 » by Snidely FC » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:47 pm

@KembaWalker was one of the first guys that contacted me before the free agency period

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Post#657 » by mrknowitall215 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:54 pm

Interesting to read that Kemba is recruiting players
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Post#658 » by Stun704 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:12 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:Interesting to read that Kemba is recruiting players

Is Kemba recruiting have it all? :lol:
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#659 » by mrknowitall215 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:14 pm

Stun704 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:Interesting to read that Kemba is recruiting players

Is Kemba recruiting have it all? :lol:

I seriously doubt it. Kemba may have recruited Mayo though
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Re: Bobcats Sign Al Jefferson - 3yrs $41mil 

Post#660 » by LamarMatic7 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:29 pm

amcoolio wrote:Well, he's saying all the right things. Who knows, maybe Al Jefferson can have a Z-Bo type turnaround.

The main parallel isn't there because Z-Bo mainly had to mature, which doesn't apply to Al. Moreover, he had to play for a good team for the first time in his life, no way are we the Grizzlies for Al that Z-Bo had.
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