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JDR720 wrote:NBAdraft.net has his comparison as Jamal Mashburn.
Mashburn was a similar size to Vonleh and Jamal had 3pt range and long arms but he was a better passer.
So maybe Noah is a bigger/better rebounding/defensive Jamal Mashburn?
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
JDR720 wrote:NBAdraft.net has his comparison as Jamal Mashburn.
Mashburn was a similar size to Vonleh and Jamal had 3pt range and long arms but he was a better passer.
So maybe Noah is a bigger/better rebounding/defensive Jamal Mashburn?
Liver_Pooty wrote:JDR720 wrote:NBAdraft.net has his comparison as Jamal Mashburn.
Mashburn was a similar size to Vonleh and Jamal had 3pt range and long arms but he was a better passer.
So maybe Noah is a bigger/better rebounding/defensive Jamal Mashburn?
Mashburn was a great, great scorer. I remember him dropping a 50 bomb one game. Doubt Vonleh ever does that.
Liver_Pooty wrote:JDR720 wrote:NBAdraft.net has his comparison as Jamal Mashburn.
Mashburn was a similar size to Vonleh and Jamal had 3pt range and long arms but he was a better passer.
So maybe Noah is a bigger/better rebounding/defensive Jamal Mashburn?
Mashburn was a great, great scorer. I remember him dropping a 50 bomb one game. Doubt Vonleh ever does that.
LamarMatic7 wrote:JDR720 wrote:NBAdraft.net has his comparison as Jamal Mashburn.
Mashburn was a similar size to Vonleh and Jamal had 3pt range and long arms but he was a better passer.
So maybe Noah is a bigger/better rebounding/defensive Jamal Mashburn?
Mashburn was too much of a perimeter player for him to be compared to a legit power forward/center.
Noah Vonleh has a number of obvious qualities that make him such an attractive prospect including his height, length, build, excellent defensive rebounding, and burgeoning outside game. But his 11.5 possessions used per game is a relatively low number, showing how limited his role was within the Indiana offense and how much room he has to grow offensively. That being said, Vonleh was also one of the more efficient half-court power forwards in this draft. Among players likely to be drafted, only Cameron Bairstow, Adreian Payne, and Cory Jefferson used as many half-court possessions as he did and had a higher efficiency than his 0.97 points per possession.
With 29.3% of his offense coming on post-ups, only Johnny O'Bryant drew a significantly higher percentage of his of offense from the post among power forwards in this class, and the 0.93 points per possession that Vonleh averaged was a fairly high mark considering his usage. Combine that with his absurd 1.32 points per possession he scored, which was by far the most among power forwards likely to be drafted, and there's quite a fair amount of intrigue based around Vonleh's inside-outside potential.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz3LJKhxAXd
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jdm3 wrote:LamarMatic7 wrote:wow... Chris Webber!? haha, that's really something. not only in a sense on putting a very high ceiling on the guy, but comparing him to a guy who's basically the only point-center to ever play in the NBA (the 93-94 Dubs team was so fun, Nellie had both C-Webb and Billy Owens bringing the ball up the court). I don't see Vonleh being someone similar to him at all.
not sure if Vonleh is quite as powerful as Wayman Tisdale was, but I loved the throwback reference.
Webber is not perfect but he was as close as I could find to someone with some power in his game and range on his shot. Everybody keeps throwing out names like Tisdale. Problem with that is that he didn't have the range. If you can find a guy who had the length and power it looks like Noah may have plus the shooting range then I am all ears.
Edit: Would a none crazy Derrick Coleman fit better? How about a more athletic version of Brad Miller?
LamarMatic7 wrote:jdm3 wrote:LamarMatic7 wrote:wow... Chris Webber!? haha, that's really something. not only in a sense on putting a very high ceiling on the guy, but comparing him to a guy who's basically the only point-center to ever play in the NBA (the 93-94 Dubs team was so fun, Nellie had both C-Webb and Billy Owens bringing the ball up the court). I don't see Vonleh being someone similar to him at all.
not sure if Vonleh is quite as powerful as Wayman Tisdale was, but I loved the throwback reference.
Webber is not perfect but he was as close as I could find to someone with some power in his game and range on his shot. Everybody keeps throwing out names like Tisdale. Problem with that is that he didn't have the range. If you can find a guy who had the length and power it looks like Noah may have plus the shooting range then I am all ears.
Edit: Would a none crazy Derrick Coleman fit better? How about a more athletic version of Brad Miller?
the problem I have with comparing Vonleh with the Webbers and Colemans, is that I don't see him having that much ability to create off the dribble.
C-Webb and DC were beasts who could drive from the three-point line and posterize fools. that's what I associate those two with. a scary ability of being stronger than smaller players, yet quicker than guys at their own position.
jdm3 wrote:I get that but when you watch the highlight from Indiana you can see that potential. Putting the ball on the floor going between the legs and spin moves off the dribble. The kid can dribble for his size amazingly. He needs to tighten it up a bit but I do think with his range it will be a huge part of his game. You have to play out on him then he can put it on the floor and go around you. I think the biggest thing he is missing compared to those two is passing. He does not see the floor as well as them yet but is also still very young. I do not think he is far behind C-Webb dribbling, at least from his Michigan days, but I do think his court vision is not where it needs to be yet. Remember C-Webb wasn't one and done and was a solid dribbler at Michigan but not fantastic there.
LamarMatic7 wrote:jdm3 wrote:I get that but when you watch the highlight from Indiana you can see that potential. Putting the ball on the floor going between the legs and spin moves off the dribble. The kid can dribble for his size amazingly. He needs to tighten it up a bit but I do think with his range it will be a huge part of his game. You have to play out on him then he can put it on the floor and go around you. I think the biggest thing he is missing compared to those two is passing. He does not see the floor as well as them yet but is also still very young. I do not think he is far behind C-Webb dribbling, at least from his Michigan days, but I do think his court vision is not where it needs to be yet. Remember C-Webb wasn't one and done and was a solid dribbler at Michigan but not fantastic there.
Oh yeah, passing is definitely a factor as well.
I'll admit one thing - I just haven't seen him enough in an NBA environment to have a 100% qualified opinion about him. I don't regard myself as someone who's knowledgeable about college players and how they might pan out.
UNCNYC wrote:Why waste a player for a year?
fatlever wrote:you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves with these vonleh comparisons. coleman, webber, bosh, mashburn - those aren't very realistic targets. two of those guys are hall of famers (eventually), the other would have been a hall of famer if he cared. 3 of those guys were/are great passers (bosh being the worst passer of the bunch), something we have not seen from vonleh. you cant compare him to a legit point forward just because he can dribble.
LamarMatic7 wrote:wow... Chris Webber!? haha, that's really something. not only in a sense on putting a very high ceiling on the guy, but comparing him to a guy who's basically the only point-center to ever play in the NBA (the 93-94 Dubs team was so fun, Nellie had both C-Webb and Billy Owens bringing the ball up the court). I don't see Vonleh being someone similar to him at all.
not sure if Vonleh is quite as powerful as Wayman Tisdale was, but I loved the throwback reference.
