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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#641 » by NCHeels2008 » Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:53 pm

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NCHeels2008 wrote:I think he's one of those guys that actually would look better on a top 5-10 team because of his skillset. His inconsistent bursts of big scoring nights (like Aaron Gordon) would be seen as an added boon instead of a negative.


Yeah should be the same for us. Problem is a lot of fans just assume he should be a #2 scoring option because he was a lottery pick.

He is a great 4th option, who has the ability to give you 20 on a good night and his great nights are higher upside than most teams 4th option.


I don't think him and Bridges are ideal together so it'll be interesting to see between the lottery and Bridges (pending?) return how that plays into what we do w PJ
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#642 » by JMAC3 » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:05 pm

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NCHeels2008 wrote:I think he's one of those guys that actually would look better on a top 5-10 team because of his skillset. His inconsistent bursts of big scoring nights (like Aaron Gordon) would be seen as an added boon instead of a negative.


Yeah should be the same for us. Problem is a lot of fans just assume he should be a #2 scoring option because he was a lottery pick.

He is a great 4th option, who has the ability to give you 20 on a good night and his great nights are higher upside than most teams 4th option.


I don't think him and Bridges are ideal together so it'll be interesting to see between the lottery and Bridges (pending?) return how that plays into what we do w PJ


Really? I think they pair together pretty well. Both are switchable on defense and Bridges is a hybrid 3/4 on offense so pairing him with PJ to make sure we aren't losing floor spacing makes a lot of sense IMO.

LaMelo- Amen/Ausar- Bridges- PJ- Mark

is a pretty balanced squad on both ends, obviously I would prefer Wemby and figure out how it meshes later though.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#643 » by LofJ » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:12 pm

A frontcourt rotation of Wembanyama, Mark, and PJ would be unfair to the rest of the league.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#644 » by NCHeels2008 » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:28 pm

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Yeah should be the same for us. Problem is a lot of fans just assume he should be a #2 scoring option because he was a lottery pick.

He is a great 4th option, who has the ability to give you 20 on a good night and his great nights are higher upside than most teams 4th option.


I don't think him and Bridges are ideal together so it'll be interesting to see between the lottery and Bridges (pending?) return how that plays into what we do w PJ


Really? I think they pair together pretty well. Both are switchable on defense and Bridges is a hybrid 3/4 on offense so pairing him with PJ to make sure we aren't losing floor spacing makes a lot of sense IMO.

LaMelo- Amen/Ausar- Bridges- PJ- Mark

is a pretty balanced squad on both ends, obviously I would prefer Wemby and figure out how it meshes later though.


I'd like PJ paired with a better wing in terms of lateral quickness defensively. PJ is fine on a switch but someone built more like McDaniels or Kuminga.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#646 » by JMAC3 » Sat May 20, 2023 2:19 pm

Slightly off topic, but even if we do take Miller I would still resign both PJ and Miles.

Assuming we do draft Miller and resign Miles we still need depth at the forward position.
1- Ball- DSJ
2- Rozier- Martin- Bouk - Bryce
3- Miller- Hayward- ?
4- Bridges- Thor- ?
5- Mark- Nick- Kai

Without PJ we would be counting on Hayward to stay healthy and JT as the backup? Gross. We have the money to spend, that would be our biggest weakness on the roster. Plus Hayward is gone after this year. Further weakening our forward rotation.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#647 » by wilson115 » Sun May 21, 2023 4:01 pm

Depends on what happens elsewhere. If they draft Miller and go all-in on Miles then it's gonna be tough to justify paying $15-20 million to a back-up. Even $12 million risks having us end up like the Cho years with too much of the cap tied up in non-stars. Different story if they draft Scoot or part ways with Miles.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#648 » by JMAC3 » Sun May 21, 2023 4:38 pm

wilson115 wrote:Depends on what happens elsewhere. If they draft Miller and go all-in on Miles then it's gonna be tough to justify paying $15-20 million to a back-up. Even $12 million risks having us end up like the Cho years with too much of the cap tied up in non-stars. Different story if they draft Scoot or part ways with Miles.


Not really. Where would you be able to spend 15-20 million in free agency and that player would start?

We need to take advantage of having a cheap PG, Cheap SF (in this scenario) and Cheap Starting Center. PJ could still be playing close to 30 mins off the bench especially if Hayward misses half the year as usual.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#649 » by LofJ » Sat Jun 3, 2023 11:50 pm

I don't know if I like the idea of commiting to PJ if Miller is our guy. If we're picking him at 2 Miller needs to start and play with LaMelo.

So PJ will be a backup making starter money. It's good injury insurance, but I don't think it's the best use of resources.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#650 » by Bassman » Sun Jun 4, 2023 2:57 am

LofJ wrote:I don't know if I like the idea of commiting to PJ if Miller is our guy. If we're picking him at 2 Miller needs to start and play with LaMelo.

So PJ will be a backup making starter money. It's good injury insurance, but I don't think it's the best use of resources.


It’s a conundrum that would be a bigger issue if we didn’t have money to spend. Based on the chatter from the FO, they plan to sign existing players so yes, PJ will be overpaid. I still think we could start Miller and PJ, to run a big lineup with Miles, Melo and Mark. Miller may get schooled by super fast guards but his length and athleticism will aid his defense. Bigger problem would be Melo trying to guard fast PG’s.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#651 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:20 pm

Miles is suspended for 10 games to start year, Hayward is always hurt, Miller will be a rookie... Plenty of minutes available for PJ.

Especially if Miller, Mark and LaMelo are starters on rookie deals. You have extra money to spend somewhere.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#652 » by wilson115 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:43 pm

*looks around warily for teams holding offer sheets*

Washington averaged a career-best 15.7 points per game, amassing 1,144 points to surpass the 1,000-point plateau in a season for the first time. He was also extremely key down the stretch of games, finishing 19th in the NBA with 33 made field goals in the clutch — which is when the difference in the score is five points or fewer in the final five minutes of the fourth quarter or overtime. He knocked down 54.2% of his attempts in clutch time, ranking only behind Miami's Bam Adebayo, new Phoenix Sun Bradley Beal and Sacramento's De'Aaron Fox.

On top of all that, Washington was extremely durable, starting in all 73 games he appeared in before sitting in the season's final four outings. He's seeking a sizable payday and has multiple potential suitors who could vie for his services depending on how the market shapes up, per league sources.

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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#653 » by LofJ » Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:57 pm

PJ is well thought of around the league. He's going to get a better contract offer than Miles in all likelihood.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#654 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:13 am

LofJ wrote:I don't know if I like the idea of commiting to PJ if Miller is our guy. If we're picking him at 2 Miller needs to start and play with LaMelo.

So PJ will be a backup making starter money. It's good injury insurance, but I don't think it's the best use of resources.


Unless injuries happen right off Miller will not start.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#655 » by LofJ » Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:16 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
LofJ wrote:I don't know if I like the idea of commiting to PJ if Miller is our guy. If we're picking him at 2 Miller needs to start and play with LaMelo.

So PJ will be a backup making starter money. It's good injury insurance, but I don't think it's the best use of resources.


Unless injuries happen right off Miller will not start.


Miller won't start at the beginning of the season, but at some point that change will need to happen.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#656 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:17 am

It all depends what PJ will get paid. Bobby Portis rarely starts and is ridiculously productive and makes 12 or 13 mill a year. PJ is much younger and can play the 4 and 5 so 20 mill a year isn't far fetched at all.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#657 » by Bassman » Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:21 am

I think if, and seriously IF, some team really wants him and doesn’t have quite the right cap space, a sign and trade would be in the offing.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#658 » by Diop » Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:30 am

Sacramento has cap room and looking to sign a Pf. They're apparently chasing Kuzma, personally i think Pj would be better for them. I wonder if they put in a big offer

EDIT: Disregard, they resigned Barnes!
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#659 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jul 6, 2023 2:19 pm

My guess for PJ contract is 4/80 with a team option or 4/72 with no options.
Would be fine with either of those happening.
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Re: 99 Problems: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread 

Post#660 » by Diop » Thu Jul 6, 2023 10:52 pm

I think if we offered 80, he would have signed already. Might be closer to 60
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