#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

Post #661 » by **JDR720** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:35 pm

Biz can play center and Al can play PF, dont know about McBob playing SF unless the SF he is guarding is just a 3pt shooter

catch20two · Post #662 » by **catch20two** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:52 pm

JDR720 wrote:Biz can play center and Al can play PF, dont know about McBob playing SF unless the SF he is guarding is just a 3pt shooter

McBob can play SF if Tolliver can and he won't do much worst than Taylor but he should just be a good backup PF. I don't think Clifford understands how much better we could be with Biz and Jefferson playing alongside each other. It'll make our defense and rebounding better. Our offense? It's worth a shot. It's not like we're putting up good numbers anyway.

HornetJail · Post #663 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:50 am

Biz is shooting 69.6% on the year and is shooting 80% in the month of December. Pretty sure nobody in the league touches those numbers.

LamarMatic7 · Post #664 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:55 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Biz is shooting 69.6% on the year and is shooting 80% in the month of December. Pretty sure nobody in the league touches those numbers.

I don't think many people saw my series of posts in the "fun with stats" thread so I'll just re-post his impressive numbers on the defensive end:

It seems to me that 4 defender opponent field goal attempts at the rim is the cut-off point to get rid of the random small forwards (and Jeremy Lin) and take a look at the real rim protectors.

Well, Biz is 3rd in the league at opponent field goal percentage when he defends the shot. Even though Sanders is number one, he has only played 2 games so let's see if he can repeat the same success he had last year. Then it's Gibson (1.4/4.3, 31.0%), Chris Kaman (what??? 2.2/5.8, 37.7%) and Biyombo (1.9/4.8, 39.1%). Biz is followed by guys known league-wide for protecting the paint. Brook Lopez is 4th, then it's Hibbert, Chandler, Koufus, Noah, Anthony Davis, Garnett, Tim Duncan, Jason Thompson (didn't expect him), Asik (MrKnowItAll,

), Bogut, Henson and so on and so on, the guys we know as good defenders because of the eye test.

LamarMatic7 · Post #665 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:03 pm

The field goal percentage, the smooth jumper he has made more than once, the rebounding and the rim protection all point to Biz having improved.

I only wish his minutes didn't fluctuate so much. In a way it's almost okay that he doesn't have to start and play 30 minutes every night because he certainly isn't consistent enough. But I would like him getting steady 17-20 minutes every night and not having to worry whether he will hit the floor for important PT at all. And from there he can get increased PT if his performance is consistent.

Marvel · Post #666 » by **Marvel** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:36 pm

Consistent defensive effort is something Biz needs to improve on for sure. We know he's capable, he just needs to bring it consistently.

Komodo · Post #667 » by **Komodo** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:30 pm

What are your expectations of Biz in the next 3-5 years?

Will he end up a Foyle/Ratliff hybrid?

A perennial defensive backup? Or a starter on the right team?

lmcguir5 · Post #668 » by **lmcguir5** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:42 pm

Komodo wrote:What are your expectations of Biz in the next 3-5 years?

Will he end up a Foyle/Ratliff hybrid?

A perennial defensive backup? Or a starter on the right team?

Bismack is possibly the most up and down player I know as far as progression. Some games the future looks really bright and some nights he travels like he forgot dribbling is a requirement. Biz can become a better player with the right coaching and ample playing time. As of right now, I think he has the right coach in defensively minded Clifford, I just doubt whether the playing time he gets now is enough.

You're very hard pressed to give him a lot of minutes, and to be honest, I think he's only going to get the minutes he needs on a team that isn't a contender. Biz is destined to become a rim protector the rest of his career, and will likely play the bench role behind an established center in the NBA. I love Biz, and he's close to my favorite Bobcat, but I don't think in 3-5 years he will be on our team. It wouldn't surprise me if we move him in the right deal in the near future

HornetJail · Post #669 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:02 pm

Biz will earn his time throughout the year. The limited minutes are perfect for him right now, as he's not in long enough to be detrimental to the offense, but still long enough to make a big impact on the boards and on D as instant energy to the 2nd unit. He's in a perfect role for right now.

Post #670 » by **JDR720** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:40 am

poor guy has started tweeting instagram pics now after loses....he is depressed
[tweet]https://twitter.com/bismackbiyombo0/status/422224440307363840[/tweet]

Liver_Pooty · Post #671 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:57 am

He really hasn't shown a significant amount of improvement from his rookie year to now.

Elden Payton · Post #672 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:13 am

I think he's better almost everywhere.

mrknowitall215 · Post #673 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:17 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:He really hasn't shown a significant amount of improvement from his rookie year to now.

It's your opinion so I don't want to argue, but since this is a forum built around debate, I would have to strongly disagree. Biyombo has improved as a overall defender, as a rebounder, and as a finisher around the rim. He's also marginally improved upon catching the ball in traffic even though he still has his mishaps. Biyombo is a all-around better player now than he was in his rookie year

Liver_Pooty · Post #674 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:25 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:He really hasn't shown a significant amount of improvement from his rookie year to now.

It's your opinion so I don't want to argue, but since this is a forum built around debate, I would have to strongly disagree. Biyombo has improved as a overall defender, as a rebounder, and as a finisher around the rim. He's also marginally improved upon catching the ball in traffic even though he still has his mishaps. Biyombo is a all-around better player now than he was in his rookie year

Well its his third year and id certainly hope so. He isn't the player we all thought he would be at this moment in time, though. Not even close.

DY_nasty · Post #675 » by **DY_nasty** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:45 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:He really hasn't shown a significant amount of improvement from his rookie year to now.

It's your opinion so I don't want to argue, but since this is a forum built around debate, I would have to strongly disagree. Biyombo has improved as a overall defender, as a rebounder, and as a finisher around the rim. He's also marginally improved upon catching the ball in traffic even though he still has his mishaps. Biyombo is a all-around better player now than he was in his rookie year

Well its his third year and id certainly hope so. He isn't the player we all thought he would be at this moment in time, though. Not even close.

He's exactly where I thought he'd be to be honest. Paul Silas knows bigs and he said it'd be four years before he was truly NBA ready. Biz is right on schedule.

And I hope he stays bad for a while so we can sign him for cheap too

Liver_Pooty · Post #676 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:48 am

DY_nasty wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
It's your opinion so I don't want to argue, but since this is a forum built around debate, I would have to strongly disagree. Biyombo has improved as a overall defender, as a rebounder, and as a finisher around the rim. He's also marginally improved upon catching the ball in traffic even though he still has his mishaps. Biyombo is a all-around better player now than he was in his rookie year

Well its his third year and id certainly hope so. He isn't the player we all thought he would be at this moment in time, though. Not even close.

He's exactly where I thought he'd be to be honest. Paul Silas knows bigs and he said it'd be four years before he was truly NBA ready. Biz is right on schedule.

And I hope he stays bad for a while so we can sign him for cheap too

Way its looking he will definitely be bad for a while. No question about that.

mrknowitall215 · Post #677 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:48 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:He really hasn't shown a significant amount of improvement from his rookie year to now.

It's your opinion so I don't want to argue, but since this is a forum built around debate, I would have to strongly disagree. Biyombo has improved as a overall defender, as a rebounder, and as a finisher around the rim. He's also marginally improved upon catching the ball in traffic even though he still has his mishaps. Biyombo is a all-around better player now than he was in his rookie year

Well its his third year and id certainly hope so. He isn't the player we all thought he would be at this moment in time, though. Not even close.

That depends on if you were one of the people comparing him to a young Dwight Howard or a young Ben Wallace. Personally, I was one of the people that paralleled his possibilities to Wallace as a offensively challenged yet defensively active big that used his length & strength to his advantage against taller players, and I think he's still on par for that

The following is a comparison of a 23 year old Ben Wallace in his 2nd season in the NBA averaging about 17 minutes per game to a 21 year old Bismack Biyombo in his 3rd season in the NBA averaging about 17 minutes...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2014

...and then I wanted compare a 25 year old Omer Asik in his 2nd season to a 21 year old Bismack Biyombo in his 3rd season...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2014

:dontknow:

Not too shabby, huh?

Liver_Pooty · Post #678 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:51 am

Ben Wallace and Asik were much more fluid in their basketball skills than Biyombo may ever be. He still seems timid and awkward. I haven't lost all hope yet on him, hes just not where I thought he would be. His hand eye coordination is horrible.

mrknowitall215 · Post #679 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:57 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Ben Wallace and Asik were much more fluid in their basketball skills than Biyombo may ever be. He still seems timid and awkward. I haven't lost all hope yet on him, hes just not where I thought he would be. His hand eye coordination is horrible.

Early in their careers, I thought both Wallace & Asik lacked basketball skills too until they found a role & niche on their respective teams. It's all hindsight perception if you're going to tell me that Wallace or even Asik to a lesser extent looked like he would turn out to be the player that they ended up being within the first 3 years of their career

Elden Payton · Post #680 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:09 am

Biz is a 7/13/2 player per 36.

He's shooting about 65 percent and opponents are shooting less than 40 percent against him at the rim if my memory is correct.

I'm still convinced he can be an elite rim protecter at this level.