30 Point Threshold - Noah Vonleh Thread

[BigSlam]

Something about him reminds me of Jermaine O'Neal. Like O'Neal with Rick Mahorn's ass.

I think that is a pretty good top end comparison for him. O'Neal in his prime. I think Noah has a little angry sreak in him like O'Neal had too.

[Radu_Hornets]

For what it's worth...

(That move at 7:30 though !!)

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqtlJ0fP_wA[/youtube]

[BigSlam]

I still don't see the the Bosh comparison at all - but I see the Webber one even less. that's just crazy talk.

[BigSlam]

you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves with these vonleh comparisons. coleman, webber, bosh, mashburn - those aren't very realistic targets. two of those guys are hall of famers (eventually), the other would have been a hall of famer if he cared. 3 of those guys were/are great passers (bosh being the worst passer of the bunch), something we have not seen from vonleh. you cant compare him to a legit point forward just because he can dribble.

Who do you like as a comparison Fats?

(ideally someone from the past decade and not from the 1956 season!!)

[BeesWax]

I still don't see the the Bosh comparison at all - but I see the Webber one even less. that's just crazy talk.

Why? Look at the stats from college and remember back to those days. Webber had solid handles and some range on his jumper. The only part where they seem very far apart at all is passing and even that is not as big a gap as some would act. Webber was nowhere near the point forward he was in the pros during his time at Michigan.

[LamarMatic7]

wow... Chris Webber!? haha, that's really something. not only in a sense on putting a very high ceiling on the guy, but comparing him to a guy who's basically the only point-center to ever play in the NBA (the 93-94 Dubs team was so fun, Nellie had both C-Webb and Billy Owens bringing the ball up the court). I don't see Vonleh being someone similar to him at all.

not sure if Vonleh is quite as powerful as Wayman Tisdale was, but I loved the throwback reference.

Who from the more modern game do you think is a good comparison for him Lamar?

What did you think of my Nene reference?

Just like BrotherDave, I like the Jermaine O'Neal comparison. A teenager with a surprisingly good body who has a nice combination of strength and agility (yet lacks the explosiveness) for defensive purposes and can score in the post, yet still is a bit raw in that aspect of the game. Sounds like the teenage JO to me. The first season of not playing at all fits the bill as well Of course, he'll have to develop a whole lot to keep up with the path of Jermaine's career.

Nene? I see how their bodies and mobility is similar but it's hard for me remember how Nene looked like when he was a rookie. I assume, yeah, you could compare them. See, now the first think that pops in my mind is the bulky and crafty Nene. But, yeah, back then his body was very similar to Vonleh's. I just can't remember how Nene looked like on the court.

[LamarMatic7]

I still don't see the the Bosh comparison at all - but I see the Webber one even less. that's just crazy talk.

Why? Look at the stats from college and remember back to those days. Webber had solid handles and some range on his jumper. The only part where they seem very far apart at all is passing and even that is not as big a gap as some would act. Webber was nowhere near the point forward he was in the pros during his time at Michigan.

He was running fast breaks his first year in the pros. I don't think he learned that during the summer.

Edit: Admittedly, I have seen like two Fab Five games in my life so I looked up his highlights. I mean, this guy who's throwing down reverse dunks and finishing off fast breaks (and on some of them handling the ball) is no Noah Vonleh.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ9S-DjBrgo[/youtube]

I can't imagine Vonleh throwing that behind the back pass or going full court and faking a behind pass before making the lay-up. Not to mention those ridiculous dunks.

[BeesWax]

wow... Chris Webber!? haha, that's really something. not only in a sense on putting a very high ceiling on the guy, but comparing him to a guy who's basically the only point-center to ever play in the NBA (the 93-94 Dubs team was so fun, Nellie had both C-Webb and Billy Owens bringing the ball up the court). I don't see Vonleh being someone similar to him at all.

not sure if Vonleh is quite as powerful as Wayman Tisdale was, but I loved the throwback reference.

Who from the more modern game do you think is a good comparison for him Lamar?

What did you think of my Nene reference?

Just like BrotherDave, I like the Jermaine O'Neal comparison. A teenager with a surprisingly good body who has a nice combination of strength and agility (yet lacks the explosiveness) for defensive purposes and can score in the post, yet still is a bit raw in that aspect of the game. Sounds like the teenage JO to me. The first season of not playing at all fits the bill as well Of course, he'll have to develop a whole lot to keep up with the path of Jermaine's career.

Nene? I see how their bodies and mobility is similar but it's hard for me remember how Nene looked like when he was a rookie. I assume, yeah, you could compare them. See, now the first think that pops in my mind is the bulky and crafty Nene. But, yeah, back then his body was very similar to Vonleh's. I just can't remember how Nene looked like on the court.

I do not remember either of those two guys having anything that could be considered range on their jumpers. Nene played in 80 games as a rookie and took 3 threes and missed them all. Jermaine did not hit one until he was 23. That is where I have a problem with those two. Yes he physically is similar but he outside game is already way past theirs as is his ball handling.

[BeesWax]

I still don't see the the Bosh comparison at all - but I see the Webber one even less. that's just crazy talk.

Why? Look at the stats from college and remember back to those days. Webber had solid handles and some range on his jumper. The only part where they seem very far apart at all is passing and even that is not as big a gap as some would act. Webber was nowhere near the point forward he was in the pros during his time at Michigan.

He was running fast breaks his first year in the pros. I don't think he learned that during the summer.

Watch the 30 for 30 on that team. He sure wasn't confident dribbling the ball over distance in college. His freshman year he shot 25% from three and averaged .8 assist to turnovers. He came a long way in a relatively short time.

Edit: remember some of that is sophomore footage too. Look at Noah's highlights and watch him crossover then between the legs into a spin move. I am not saying he is Webber now or that he will for sure get there but the skill sets are not as far off as people are acting when comparing their same ages.

[Eoghan]

Young Nene was made of springs and rubber. He was basically Steven Adams with hops.

[LamarMatic7]

Why? Look at the stats from college and remember back to those days. Webber had solid handles and some range on his jumper. The only part where they seem very far apart at all is passing and even that is not as big a gap as some would act. Webber was nowhere near the point forward he was in the pros during his time at Michigan.

He was running fast breaks his first year in the pros. I don't think he learned that during the summer.

Watch the 30 for 30 on that team. He sure wasn't confident dribbling the ball over distance in college. His freshman year he shot 25% from three and averaged .8 assist to turnovers. He came a long way in a relatively short time.

I have seen the 30 for 30 on that team. On what are you basing that statement? On his infamous timeout play?

[BeesWax]

He was running fast breaks his first year in the pros. I don't think he learned that during the summer.

Watch the 30 for 30 on that team. He sure wasn't confident dribbling the ball over distance in college. His freshman year he shot 25% from three and averaged .8 assist to turnovers. He came a long way in a relatively short time.

I have seen the 30 for 30 on that team. On what are you basing that statement? On his infamous timeout play?

No on his entire play. I am old enough to remember watching the fab five both years they were in school together. I watched their run the first season and second. Webber had skills and physically looked like a man against boys at times. He was not always to sure with his handles and his passing while flashy when working was also erratic. The most impressive to watch was Rose. For his size he could move the ball and really see the whole game a play before everyone else.

[JDR720]

Nobody Noah what Noah's comparison should be

[LamarMatic7]

Who from the more modern game do you think is a good comparison for him Lamar?

What did you think of my Nene reference?

Just like BrotherDave, I like the Jermaine O'Neal comparison. A teenager with a surprisingly good body who has a nice combination of strength and agility (yet lacks the explosiveness) for defensive purposes and can score in the post, yet still is a bit raw in that aspect of the game. Sounds like the teenage JO to me. The first season of not playing at all fits the bill as well Of course, he'll have to develop a whole lot to keep up with the path of Jermaine's career.

Nene? I see how their bodies and mobility is similar but it's hard for me remember how Nene looked like when he was a rookie. I assume, yeah, you could compare them. See, now the first think that pops in my mind is the bulky and crafty Nene. But, yeah, back then his body was very similar to Vonleh's. I just can't remember how Nene looked like on the court.

I do not remember either of those two guys having anything that could be considered range on their jumpers. Nene played in 80 games as a rookie and took 3 threes and missed them all. Jermaine did not hit one until he was 23. That is where I have a problem with those two. Yes he physically is similar but he outside game is already way past theirs as is his ball handling.

That has much more to do with the eras they started their careers in. No coach in the 90s would have taken a teenager who has a just an okay jumper and encouraged him to take threes. Vonleh's brought up in an era where you polish that ability if you have the potential for it.

You're way overestimating his ball handling. It looks like an optional weapon at best. If he would put in situations where he has to handle the ball on purpose, it wouldn't result in a whole lot.

[LamarMatic7]

Watch the 30 for 30 on that team. He sure wasn't confident dribbling the ball over distance in college. His freshman year he shot 25% from three and averaged .8 assist to turnovers. He came a long way in a relatively short time.

I have seen the 30 for 30 on that team. On what are you basing that statement? On his infamous timeout play?

No on his entire play. I am old enough to remember watching the fab five both years they were in school together. I watched their run the first season and second. Webber had skills and physically looked like a man against boys at times. He was not always to sure with his handles and his passing while flashy when working was also erratic. The most impressive to watch was Rose. For his size he could move the ball and really see the whole game a play before everyone else.

Then maybe you should re-watch the tapes since Vonleh is nowhere near being able to run on fast breaks like Webber could.

[LamarMatic7]

on a random note, for some reason and I don't know why Vonleh reminds me of a camel.

[BeesWax]

I have seen the 30 for 30 on that team. On what are you basing that statement? On his infamous timeout play?

No on his entire play. I am old enough to remember watching the fab five both years they were in school together. I watched their run the first season and second. Webber had skills and physically looked like a man against boys at times. He was not always to sure with his handles and his passing while flashy when working was also erratic. The most impressive to watch was Rose. For his size he could move the ball and really see the whole game a play before everyone else.

Then maybe you should re-watch the tapes since Vonleh is nowhere near being able to run on fast breaks like Webber could.

I am not sure I could disagree more. Webber went straight line on fast breaks and could not break people down in the half court in college.

I rewatched the video you posted convinced I must have missed something somewhere. He never broke anyone down he never took anyone off the dribble and his "fast break" was all straight line attacks of the basket. The behind the back stuff was nice and all but not any better than Noah going back and forth between the legs into a spin move for a bucket.

I will reiterate that the only real difference in the two is passing and Webber developed that more and more over the years and your highlights are both Freshman and Sophomore years.

[JDR720]

on a random note, for some reason and I don't know why Vonleh reminds me of a camel.

Hump Day: The Noah Vonleh Thread

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD-gp_QphoU[/youtube]

[BeesWax]

Just like BrotherDave, I like the Jermaine O'Neal comparison. A teenager with a surprisingly good body who has a nice combination of strength and agility (yet lacks the explosiveness) for defensive purposes and can score in the post, yet still is a bit raw in that aspect of the game. Sounds like the teenage JO to me. The first season of not playing at all fits the bill as well Of course, he'll have to develop a whole lot to keep up with the path of Jermaine's career.

Nene? I see how their bodies and mobility is similar but it's hard for me remember how Nene looked like when he was a rookie. I assume, yeah, you could compare them. See, now the first think that pops in my mind is the bulky and crafty Nene. But, yeah, back then his body was very similar to Vonleh's. I just can't remember how Nene looked like on the court.

I do not remember either of those two guys having anything that could be considered range on their jumpers. Nene played in 80 games as a rookie and took 3 threes and missed them all. Jermaine did not hit one until he was 23. That is where I have a problem with those two. Yes he physically is similar but he outside game is already way past theirs as is his ball handling.

That has much more to do with the eras they started their careers in. No coach in the 90s would have taken a teenager who has a just an okay jumper and encouraged him to take threes. Vonleh's brought up in an era where you polish that ability if you have the potential for it.

You're way overestimating his ball handling. It looks like an optional weapon at best. If he would put in situations where he has to handle the ball on purpose, it wouldn't result in a whole lot.

You are way overestimating Webber's ball handling and underestimating Noah's. I saw Noah do things at Indiana that Webber never did in college one on one. For all the show boating the Fab Five loved to do there is no way Webber would have passed on breaking down a player off the dribble had he been capable. Once he was in the pros a couple years he did it.

[LamarMatic7]

I will reiterate that the only real difference in the two is passing and Webber developed that more and more over the years and your highlights are both Freshman and Sophomore years.

What difference does that make? That puts him at the same age as Vonleh now and last year.