BrandHIM Miller: The Brandon Miller Thread

[Bassman]

I seriously doubt either camp would agree to a one on one workout environment. Interesting premise no doubt!

I think both players are really good with high potential, hence why the debate/discussion is so extensive on who to pick. Different positions, different fits to this team, and either should have significant impact for the better. If we knew we could package the 27 and some seconds (or maybe add Bouk) to move up and grab another quality player, would that influence the selection at #2?

For example, taking Henderson, then moving up for Bilal Coulibaly or Maxwell Lewis as our future SF. Or take Miller, then move up to grab shooting guards Nick Smith Jr or Colby Jones. Or take whomever they’ve targeted that they believe is a potential starter.

Ultimately we need to move off of Rozier as our starting SG. Drafting Scoot sorta moves Melo there and/or forces defensive matchups that could be challenging for us. Drafting Miller fills a significant slot at the 3, with Miles playing the 4 (plus presume PJ being a strong part of the mix if resigned). Getting a quality SG via trade up is a real possibility…especially one who can shoot and has some good size.

[vexco]

Naturally, this is likely cause of the system of offense they played. Alabama was in love with jumpshots and it is possible that it limited what Miller could show in a half court offense.

I think this is a huge thing. Alabama had a very tight offense so I think Miller can do more than he's shown.

[amcoolio]

Regardless I think we're going to get a damn fine player. If I see Miller compared to Deni Advija again though I'll have to check myself into a mental hospital.

I get all the "SEC accomplishments". I just don't see it with Miller. I think he's fools gold. There's something off about him. I hope I'm wrong. He is very much like CJ Stroud was to me the further I got into researching him that made me switch to Bryce despite the size issues. We'll see I guess.

[JustBuzzin]

Regardless I think we're going to get a damn fine player. If I see Miller compared to Deni Advija again though I'll have to check myself into a mental hospital.

I get all the "SEC accomplishments". I just don't see it with Miller. I think he's fools gold. There's something off about him. I hope I'm wrong. He is very much like CJ Stroud was to me the further I got into researching him that made me switch to Bryce despite the size issues. We'll see I guess.

Imagine winning SEC player of the year as a freshman and playing on the #1 team in the country and someone tells you "fools gold there's something off about him".


People can't even admit this dude talent is just crazy to me. Like what are you not seeing?

[amcoolio]

Regardless I think we're going to get a damn fine player. If I see Miller compared to Deni Advija again though I'll have to check myself into a mental hospital.

I get all the "SEC accomplishments". I just don't see it with Miller. I think he's fools gold. There's something off about him. I hope I'm wrong. He is very much like CJ Stroud was to me the further I got into researching him that made me switch to Bryce despite the size issues. We'll see I guess.

Imagine winning SEC player of the year as a freshman and playing on the #1 team in the country and someone tells you "fools gold there's something off about him".


People can't even admit this dude talent is just crazy to me. Like what are you not seeing?

I admit he is talented, he's a great shooter and better than people give him credit for with creating his own shot and defensive IQ. He just doesn't pop off the screen to me. He seems passive in interviews. I don't like his response to the gun incident. I can't explain it, it's more a feel test for me. This team is desperate for a leader and we have the opportunity with the #2 pick but Miller doesn't seem like a leader to me.

[JMAC3]

I get all the "SEC accomplishments". I just don't see it with Miller. I think he's fools gold. There's something off about him. I hope I'm wrong. He is very much like CJ Stroud was to me the further I got into researching him that made me switch to Bryce despite the size issues. We'll see I guess.

Imagine winning SEC player of the year as a freshman and playing on the #1 team in the country and someone tells you "fools gold there's something off about him".


People can't even admit this dude talent is just crazy to me. Like what are you not seeing?

I admit he is talented, he's a great shooter and better than people give him credit for with creating his own shot and defensive IQ. He just doesn't pop off the screen to me. He seems passive in interviews. I don't like his response to the gun incident. I can't explain it, it's more a feel test for me. This team is desperate for a leader and we have the opportunity with the #2 pick but Miller doesn't seem like a leader to me.

Seems like the same stuff that was said about Paolo last year. People had a bunch of weird reasons to hate him too after avg 17/8/3 at Duke.

[amcoolio]

Imagine winning SEC player of the year as a freshman and playing on the #1 team in the country and someone tells you "fools gold there's something off about him".


People can't even admit this dude talent is just crazy to me. Like what are you not seeing?

I admit he is talented, he's a great shooter and better than people give him credit for with creating his own shot and defensive IQ. He just doesn't pop off the screen to me. He seems passive in interviews. I don't like his response to the gun incident. I can't explain it, it's more a feel test for me. This team is desperate for a leader and we have the opportunity with the #2 pick but Miller doesn't seem like a leader to me.

Seems like the same stuff that was said about Paolo last year. People had a bunch of weird reasons to hate him too after avg 17/8/3 at Duke.

Possibly. You guys also don't have to take it personally if I don't care for a draft prospect, lol. If we take him I'll pull for him and hope he succeeds, I'm not that petty.

[KingCat]

I get all the "SEC accomplishments". I just don't see it with Miller. I think he's fools gold. There's something off about him. I hope I'm wrong. He is very much like CJ Stroud was to me the further I got into researching him that made me switch to Bryce despite the size issues. We'll see I guess.

Imagine winning SEC player of the year as a freshman and playing on the #1 team in the country and someone tells you "fools gold there's something off about him".


People can't even admit this dude talent is just crazy to me. Like what are you not seeing?

I admit he is talented, he's a great shooter and better than people give him credit for with creating his own shot and defensive IQ. He just doesn't pop off the screen to me. He seems passive in interviews. I don't like his response to the gun incident. I can't explain it, it's more a feel test for me. This team is desperate for a leader and we have the opportunity with the #2 pick but Miller doesn't seem like a leader to me.

I get what you mean. To me I just find Scoot an extremely likeable kid and it hard for me not to root for him.

Miller's responses definitely felt canned as he probably had to go through a lot of PR scrubbing. I definitely liked the personality Miller displayed on the court more than off it.

Admittedley, we aren't drafting for interview skills though

[JMAC3]

I admit he is talented, he's a great shooter and better than people give him credit for with creating his own shot and defensive IQ. He just doesn't pop off the screen to me. He seems passive in interviews. I don't like his response to the gun incident. I can't explain it, it's more a feel test for me. This team is desperate for a leader and we have the opportunity with the #2 pick but Miller doesn't seem like a leader to me.

Seems like the same stuff that was said about Paolo last year. People had a bunch of weird reasons to hate him too after avg 17/8/3 at Duke.

Possibly. You guys also don't have to take it personally if I don't care for a draft prospect, lol. If we take him I'll pull for him and hope he succeeds, I'm not that petty.

Yeah, you are allowed to feel however you want, not taking it personally.

I am just stating cases where interviews weren't all that important, heck LaMelo during the predraft process sounded like a 14 year old for most of it.

[TheCollector]

When we won the #2 pick I leaned Miller for a couple of reasons:
- Size
- Shooting
- Fit
- Defensive potential

As this process has gone on I definitely still like those things, but Scoot has impressed me enough to lean that direction. He brings:

- Elite athleticism
- High Intensity
- NBA ready body
- High character and maturity
- An excellent mid-range game that forecast to expand out beyond the arc

As I look at both I actually rate them about the same except for the character and maturity. Everything you hear and read talks about how Scoot is about that life: Constantly in the gym, always about basketball and very focused on being as great as he possibly can be. With all the drama surrounding Zion, and Ja as well as a lot of top picks who just don't seem to take things serious enough (kinda think this is a Lamelo problem as well), I want that focused/high character guy in the locker room with the rest of our young core.

[Radu_Hornets]

When we won the #2 pick I leaned Miller for a couple of reasons:
- Size
- Shooting
- Fit
- Defensive potential

As this process has gone on I definitely still like those things, but Scoot has impressed me enough to lean that direction. He brings:

- Elite athleticism
- High Intensity
- NBA ready body
- High character and maturity
- An excellent mid-range game that forecast to expand out beyond the arc

As I look at both I actually rate them about the same except for the character and maturity. Everything you hear and read talks about how Scoot is about that life: Constantly in the gym, always about basketball and very focused on being as great as he possibly can be. With all the drama surrounding Zion, and Ja as well as a lot of top picks who just don't seem to take things serious enough (kinda think this is a Lamelo problem as well), I want that focused/high character guy in the locker room with the rest of our young core.

“You don’t hire for skills, you hire for attitude”

With everything that we’ve been through with Miles, I don’t want to have anything to do with a player that has been involved in a murder.

On one hand you got an Alpha male build like a tank that’s clearly breathing basketball 24/7. On the other hand you get a naturally gifted player that might lose his edge if he doesnt take basketball seriously enough, or if he continue to hang out with bad relations. You never know how it turns out when they secure the money… look at ja with his gun stories…



Both are great prospect though and I’ll root for either one that get picked. But I hope it’s scoot.

[JMAC3]

Rafael Barlow has Miller going 2nd in his latest mock released today.

Behind The Numbers
The Good
48% unguarded off the catch — 72% eFG
56% on post-ups —97th percentile (but only 16 attempts)
39% from 3 in transition
52% from deep out of dribble handoffs

The Bad
Shot 32% in isolation
32% off the dribble
33% as the pick-and-roll ball handler

The Ugly

46.8% on layups
29% from 3 from the corners
22% driving to his left out of isolation
Only five attempts as an off-ball cutter

[JMAC3]

Rafael Barlow has Miller going 2nd in his latest mock released today.

Behind The Numbers
The Good
48% unguarded off the catch — 72% eFG
56% on post-ups —97th percentile (but only 16 attempts)
39% from 3 in transition
52% from deep out of dribble handoffs

The Bad
Shot 32% in isolation
32% off the dribble
33% as the pick-and-roll ball handler

The Ugly

46.8% on layups
29% from 3 from the corners
22% driving to his left out of isolation
Only five attempts as an off-ball cutter

Few random comps between him and Scoot.
Miller shot 33% as PnR handler, Scoot only shot 40% for something he is supposed to be elite at.
Miller shot 32% in iso, Scoot shot 30%
Miller 48% on open catch and shots, Scoot 33% on open catch and shoots.
Both players effective in dribble hand offs.

[JMAC3]

Aggregating some data from other prospects to compare Miller on layups from Barlowe mock draft.

Jarace 54% on layups
Coulibay 54% on layups
Dick 52% on layups
Keyonte 51% on layups
Black 51% on layups
Miller 47% on layups
Hendricks 45% on layups

I definitely think it's a place to improve, but nothing to the tune of 39% like some places have been quoting.

[Braggins]

The 39% number was specifically his overall rim efficiency in the halfcourt from synergy. Synergy had his halfcourt layup efficiency at 38%.

Barlowe appears to be referring to his overall layup efficiency and Synergy had that number at 46.4%, which is almost identical the 46.8% that Barlowe had him at.

[JMAC3]

The 39% number was specifically his overall rim efficiency in the halfcourt from synergy. Synergy had his halfcourt layup efficiency at 38%.

Barlowe appears to be referring to his overall layup efficiency and Synergy had that number at 46.4%, which is almost identical the 46.8% that Barlowe had him at.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/making-the-case-for-brandon-miller

More light on the finishing, a bit more detailed on half court/open court finishing improvement.

"Miller started out really really really poorly around the rim. Like, REALLY poorly. Throughout his first 11 games, Miller finished just 10% of his rim attempts in the half-court and 40.4% overall per Synergy. But over the last 26 games those numbers got a lot better! The half-court rim finishing jumped up to 46.8% and the overall finishing jumped up to 59.8%. "

[Rich4114]

Miller comes across as a good role player ceiling, maybe slightly better or fringe all star depending on his efficiency. But he does not seem to have the type of drive and confidence that Scoot has. Miller may be a better scorer the first year or two but I imagine Scoot being a legit all star caliber player by his third year.

[vexco]

When we won the #2 pick I leaned Miller for a couple of reasons:
- Size
- Shooting
- Fit
- Defensive potential

As this process has gone on I definitely still like those things, but Scoot has impressed me enough to lean that direction. He brings:

- Elite athleticism
- High Intensity
- NBA ready body
- High character and maturity
- An excellent mid-range game that forecast to expand out beyond the arc

As I look at both I actually rate them about the same except for the character and maturity. Everything you hear and read talks about how Scoot is about that life: Constantly in the gym, always about basketball and very focused on being as great as he possibly can be. With all the drama surrounding Zion, and Ja as well as a lot of top picks who just don't seem to take things serious enough (kinda think this is a Lamelo problem as well), I want that focused/high character guy in the locker room with the rest of our young core.

“You don’t hire for skills, you hire for attitude”

With everything that we’ve been through with Miles, I don’t want to have anything to do with a player that has been involved in a murder.

On one hand you got an Alpha male build like a tank that’s clearly breathing basketball 24/7. On the other hand you get a naturally gifted player that might lose his edge if he doesnt take basketball seriously enough, or if he continue to hang out with bad relations. You never know how it turns out when they secure the money… look at ja with his gun stories…



Both are great prospect though and I’ll root for either one that get picked. But I hope it’s scoot.

I don't get where these takes come from. Has there been any inclination from anyone that Miller doesn't care about basketball? I've seen the opposite where people are saying he has the dog in him. He comes off like an intense guy on the court.

[yosemiteben]

Rafael Barlow has Miller going 2nd in his latest mock released today.

Behind The Numbers
The Good
48% unguarded off the catch — 72% eFG
52% from deep out of dribble handoffs

The Ugly
29% from 3 from the corners

Snipped some of the other data to emphasize this - wtf is going on with that corner 3PT%? That is so awful that I would have guessed that it was a made up stat from a Miller hater.

Maybe it's more common than I realize, but seems really weird for a guy that I thought was considered to be an elite C&S 3PT shooter to shoot sub 30% on corner 3s.

[JMAC3]

Rafael Barlow has Miller going 2nd in his latest mock released today.

Behind The Numbers
The Good
48% unguarded off the catch — 72% eFG
52% from deep out of dribble handoffs

The Ugly
29% from 3 from the corners

Snipped some of the other data to emphasize this - wtf is going on with that corner 3PT%? That is so awful that I would have guessed that it was a made up stat from a Miller hater.

Maybe it's more common than I realize, but seems really weird for a guy that I thought was considered to be an elite C&S 3PT shooter to shoot sub 30% on corner 3s.

I know the overall attempts were a lot less, probably an indicator of just how much offense was running through him. He wasn't just standing in the corner very often. Only 31 of his 240 threes were from the corner.