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Post#681 » by Eoghan » Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:26 pm

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fatlever wrote:oh, i forgot about leonard. add him to my list.

@ brotherdave - why would you say klay is at his ceiling? he is only 3 months older than kemba. but maybe it was harsh for me to say i would "definitely" take him over kemba. but i would consider it. klay is 6'7" and has a tremendous range on his shot. he is averaging 15ppg this month. at the very least he will be a sniper off the bench for the next decade. he definitely needs to add more to his game. his rebounding is pathetic for a player his size. that must improve if he wants to eventually be a starter.

I think a sniper off the bench is what he'll be at the very most (or a starter on a bad team). He's just too slow to make any real improvement in his weak areas. I haven't watched him much but I haven't seen any cerebral passing instincts or anything like that like Curry has to make up for the lack of athleticism. He's one of those guys I foresee having a severe sophomore slump.



klay thompson with 28 (10 of 13) midway through the 3rd quarter. his jumper is a thing of beauty.

True, he can definitely stroke it. But after watching the Warriors-Kings game from last night, I stand behind my comments. His man blew by him at will, he committed dumb fouls b/c he was too slow (he gifted Cousins a couple of and 1's), made some bonehead passes that resulted into turnovers, and was generally worthless except that when he got an open shot he nailed it. He only made a couple contested shots that weren't wide open spot up threes, though one was a nice turnaround J over a smaller cover. Even his handle isn't that good, when Nate Robinson went down with the injury, Mark Jackson opted to use Dominic McGuire as the backup PG to Charles Jenkins. :roll:

If he was playing for the Bobcats he'd have dismal numbers b/c he'd never get the open looks that the Warriors get him.
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Re: The Kemba Walker Thread 

Post#682 » by captaincrunk » Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:18 pm

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What makes a team good? Having good players? The bobcats don't have good players. Kemba is one of the bobcats.

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Thanks for reinforcing my point, now what was your point again?

Therefore Kemba isn't a good player. Fool.
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Post#683 » by countryboi » Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:41 pm

Y'all ride kemba too hard... He is going to be fine...his big flaw his shooting is the easiest to fix..you can't teach a guy to be fast or ability the create his own shot
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Post#684 » by TheKingofSting » Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:57 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Kemba is gonna be fine. Judging anything off this season isn't a good idea. It'd be one thing if we had a strong coach who really knew what he was doing and how to use his players. The fact that we went from Boris to Diop to Mullens to Bismack as starting center in like a month shows you Silas never had a strong gameplan that he believed in. Its no surprise so many guys on the team are struggling with that kind of system and leadership.


Exactly, Silas being one of the worst coaches in NBA history certainly doesn't help the situation!
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Re: The Kemba Walker Thread 

Post#685 » by fatlever » Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:43 pm

Stun704 wrote:EDIT2: only three players i give a damn about on this team, so i'm not just a "homer" or "biased" for a player just because he plays for the bobcats, and thats Kemba,Hendo and Biz.. and UPS can stick around cuz I think he'll be a very good role player, however every single else one of our other players can **** off for all i care


we definitely agree about this... biz, hendo, kemba and maybe mullens (for me) are the only 4 players i care to see in a bobcats uniform next season (najera can come back if he wants). i am definitely not giving up on kemba and hopefully i will be one of the first to praise him when i think he does something well, which i think i do. i really dont have an agenda against him. i wasnt arguing for him or against him pre-draft because i didnt watch enough college bball last year to have much of an opinion on him. i hope like hell he takes a step forward next year. as battery and others have mentioned 100s of times, it was a really really bad year to be a rookie and probably not fair to judge them until this time next season. i am really going to try to hold off on making more judgements about kemba for a while. as for now.

and i agree, silas isnt helping. i hate his offense. kemba should be in a penetrate and dish offense.

as for PER, w/out getting into a big stats argument, i think its best to use PER as one of many ways to evaluate a player. the fact that kemba has the highest PER on the bobcats should show the stat is somewhat flawed. i think almost everyone would agree that henderson has been our best player this year, but you have to include kemba in the discussion for 2nd best, along with biz and dja (pre-injury). and if you are going to use PER to prop up kemba then you have to at least give me the faried over kemba point since faried is 22 PER.

@ dave - no doubt klay has some holes, defense, rebounding to name a few, but with a shot so pure, with good size and athleticism good enough that you wont have to hide him on defense once he figures it out, he should at least have a dell curry like career and perhaps even a michael redd (pre-injury) run. i'd trade anyone on our team not named biz to have a prime dell curry on our team.
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Post#686 » by KembaWalker » Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:53 pm

I don't really think I can agree that Henderson has been our best player this year. I haven't really thought about it when you said that but good god its really painful to actually think about who our best player has been this year. It honestly might really be Kemba, (don't sweat my name bias, I've been a Charlotte fan long before a Kemba fan, in fact I didn't even care about him till we drafted him lol). Everyone who has an argument over him has been hurt and missed time. Kemba might really be our MVP this season. God thats bad.

We picked DJ at the same spot in the draft, and I can't imagine how bad we'd have been if he had been the best player on our team that year subtracting everyone that was obviously better. Basically that team minus Wallace JRich Felton Okafor Diaw.

I mean I guess you can argue that DJ or Hendo or Maggette have been better but its not even that clear plus all the injury time.
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Post#687 » by fatlever » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:01 pm

the hammers are usually a pretty good indicator of who the best player is. i think the hammers have been dead on ever since we started doing them 5 years ago. hendo has a clear lead in hammers despite missing a big chunk of games. he is our best offensive player, the only efficient perimeter player on the team and probably our 2nd best defender after biz.
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Post#688 » by KembaWalker » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:18 pm

Yeah I guess Hendo has been our best player. Man thats bad..lol

So DJ's rookie year TS% was 58.5
His current year TS% stats are 50.7

Thats a huge difference and can show how much going from a 3rd/4th scoring option to a 1st/2nd option can kill your efficiency. To me theres no reason to think Kemba can't take the reverse path of that and become decently efficient once we get some more talent around him to help him out (and hopefully a better system). If he was capable of being an efficient first option in the league he wouldn't have gone 9th.

He's also 2nd among qualified rookies is ast/to ratio I believe. I believe he's averaging ~5 in ~22mpg since the all star break last I checked. The improvement is there.
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Post#689 » by captaincrunk » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:40 pm

fatlever wrote:the hammers are usually a pretty good indicator of who the best player is. i think the hammers have been dead on ever since we started doing them 5 years ago. hendo has a clear lead in hammers despite missing a big chunk of games. he is our best offensive player, the only efficient perimeter player on the team and probably our 2nd best defender after biz.

The hammers are pretty sweet. Especially since we show the splits from gold, silver, and bronze as well. Meaning that a guy who gets gold 2/5 games still looks less good than the guy who gets silver in 5.
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Post#690 » by fatlever » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:58 pm

i've focused enough on what kemba isnt doing right this year, time for some positive thoughts. what is kemba doing well?

1. low turnovers - he generally takes really good care of the ball
2. defense - his size will prevent him from ever being a top defender, but he is pesky, tough and energetic.
3. rebounding - i cant say enough good things about his willingness to go into traffic and compete for the ball
4. attitude - not one time this year have i seen him sulk, complain about playing time, fight the refs or show anything other a great attitude.
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Post#691 » by Elden Payton » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:42 pm

I really am a big believer in Kemba's game, he is so much more than a scorer imo.

He rebounds as well as most wings and as fats posted above he is pesky, tough and energetic, what's not to love about that?

The reason a lot of college scorers flame out of the league is because they literally offer no other aspect to their game, unless you have more facets to your game or are an elite shooter you won't last.

Kemba has a very good all-around game and has shown a willingness and ability to pass the rock, when his shot starts to fall he'll be a legit starter imo. He definitely will benefit from a strong offense and a proper training camp/summer league.

As for whose been the best Bobcat personally I'd say Kemba 1A, Hendo 1B, Biyombo MVP.

The reason Kemba is 1A is despite his FG% he has been our most consistent player alongside Henderson who is 1B because he has missed a fair chunk of time.

Biyombo is our MVP because he is our only legit gamechanger & starting big...unfortunately.

Also I think a lot of teams screw up their rebuild because they wait until they get a legit number option on offense before they start looking for roleplayers or trade away all their young assets for an all-star/superstar before looking for roleplayers, I really think we are building the right way in terms of long term success.

Kemba+Henderson+Biyombo is a great roleplaying core going forward especially when we will add two top four picks going forward to nab at least one superstar.
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Post#692 » by Marvel » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:00 pm

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What makes a team good? Having good players? The bobcats don't have good players. Kemba is one of the bobcats.

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Thanks for reinforcing my point, now what was your point again?

Therefore Kemba isn't a good player. Fool.


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Post#693 » by Marvel » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:14 pm

he should at least have a dell curry like career and perhaps even a michael redd (pre-injury) run


That's blasphemy. Redd could score from anywhere on the floor and he was so smooth doing it too, ability to create his own, get to the ft line, post game...i can't see Klay coming anywhere near that. In a high octane offensive system like GS he could put up maybe 15-16ppg, 4rpg, 2apg, but he will never be a pure scorer like Milwaukee Bucks, Redd was.
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Post#694 » by captaincrunk » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:21 pm

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Marvel wrote:Thanks for reinforcing my point, now what was your point again?

Therefore Kemba isn't a good player. Fool.


What? Did you just call me a fool? :lol: Damn crunk, how you gon do me like that. You always get your panties in a bunch.

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Re: The Kemba Walker Thread 

Post#695 » by Eoghan » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:00 am

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@ dave - no doubt klay has some holes, defense, rebounding to name a few, but with a shot so pure, with good size and athleticism good enough that you wont have to hide him on defense once he figures it out, he should at least have a dell curry like career and perhaps even a michael redd (pre-injury) run. i'd trade anyone on our team not named biz to have a prime dell curry on our team.

Yeah, I can get behind that statement. The only thing is, I was never a Dell Curry fan. :o

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Post#696 » by fatlever » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:29 am

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he should at least have a dell curry like career and perhaps even a michael redd (pre-injury) run


That's blasphemy. Redd could score from anywhere on the floor and he was so smooth doing it too, ability to create his own, get to the ft line, post game...i can't see Klay coming anywhere near that. In a high octane offensive system like GS he could put up maybe 15-16ppg, 4rpg, 2apg, but he will never be a pure scorer like Milwaukee Bucks, Redd was.


klay is averaging 18ppg as a starter and 20ppg over the last 8. i think its fair to suggest he is capable of averaging more than 15-16ppg in the future. redd didnt hit 15ppg until his 3rd year and 20ppg until his 4th year. but even if he doesnt get to redd's best year, their playing styles are similar. assuming klay is the starter at shooting guard next year, he should easily get 15ppg and a career peak around 20ppg seems very possible considering his offense.

also the warriors are playing at a slower pace this year under jackson, down to 8th in pace this year (5th last year, 1st two years ago) now that nellie ball is gone.
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Post#697 » by fatlever » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:30 am

@ crunk - dont call people "fools"
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Post#698 » by SWedd523 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:04 am

fatlever wrote:@ crunk - dont call people "fools"

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Post#699 » by captaincrunk » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:46 am

But I LIKE saying fool :(
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Post#700 » by Eoghan » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:28 pm

Attention Kemba Walker lovers/haters:

Kemba along with fellow rooks Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams will be on an NBA TV special Thursday night @ 6:30 PM EST. It's called NBA Rookies 2012 and it's basically just a round table discussion on their first season b/w the three. Saw a preview last night and it looked worth watching.

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