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OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II

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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#681 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:38 pm

catch20two wrote:I wish we played MKG heavy minutes like the Bulls play Jimmy Butler. :(


I concur. There's a part of me that believe Charlotte could avoid some of these nail biter games if they kept their premier perimeter defender in the game more often (sans his proneness to get into foul trouble occasionally). Similar to how they start out strong out of the gate & MKG usually have a decent +/-, it's not a coincidence, because his defense, hustle, and rebounding make that much of a difference. Out of all of the wing players on the Bobcats roster MKG is the biggest difference maker no matter how you flip it using advance stats. Only the eye test may defy MKG's impact, but that's only if you watch basketball to see the ball go in the hoop. Me personally, I'm a defense-first guy
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#682 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:15 pm

Hopefully Thibodeau give Clifford some advice on keeping his best perimeter defender in the game extensively to prevent slippage. It's important that defenses take away the ability/momentum of the wing players that can create help defense
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#683 » by Bassman » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:55 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:Hopefully Thibodeau give Clifford some advice on keeping his best perimeter defender in the game extensively to prevent slippage. It's important that defenses take away the ability/momentum of the wing players that can create help defense


Admittedly I did not see the Celtics game. According to reports Jeff Green couldn't be stopped by Hyphen. I see everyone always touting his D; what happened?

I suppose I just do not see his greatness.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#684 » by catch20two » Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:29 pm

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mrknowitall215 wrote:Hopefully Thibodeau give Clifford some advice on keeping his best perimeter defender in the game extensively to prevent slippage. It's important that defenses take away the ability/momentum of the wing players that can create help defense


Admittedly I did not see the Celtics game. According to reports Jeff Green couldn't be stopped by Hyphen. I see everyone always touting his D; what happened?

I suppose I just do not see his greatness.

I've seen Jeff Green light Lebron up on multiple occasions but that don't mean that Lebron isn't a great defender. This is the NBA. You can't lockdown a player every time you step on the floor but MKG does a good job of always making them work. Green was hitting tough shots and pulling 3s in transition. MKG could've done better but the shots Green was taking we could usually live with because he won't make them at a high clip.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#685 » by JDR720 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:12 pm

MKG shot charts over the last 30 days by quarter

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By the looks of things the only quarter he gets involved in is the 1st quarter which is probably a coaching problem and that 4th quarter wow i know he doesn't play much in the 4th but just 2 shots?
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Post#686 » by catch20two » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:26 pm

That's because MKG would be lucky if he see a minute in the 4th quarter. Our strongest 5-man lineups are our starting lineup with CDR replacing Hendo followed by our actual starting lineup, both including MKG. It's frustrating and ludicrous to watch us struggle at the end of games because we can't get stops, either we can't make the other team miss or we can't grab the rebound after making them miss, both areas MKG is strong suited in.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#687 » by JDR720 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:26 pm

and also, several of those 1st quarter shots are from the first play of the game in which we almost always give MKG the ball so those #'s might be somewhat misleading
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#688 » by catch20two » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:29 pm

JDR720 wrote:and also, several of those 1st quarter shots are from the first play of the game in which we almost always give MKG the ball so those #'s might be somewhat misleading

Nothing misleading about those numbers. It shows that if we ran plays for him that he can score almost 50% of the time, which is efficient enough to be a part of our offense. I rather feed MKG than watch Hendo shoot a fadeaway falling out of bounds, that's for sure.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#689 » by catch20two » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:50 pm

Defensively, MKG and Biz get the sh*tty end of the stick as good aggressive defenders that play for a team that the ref hate or lack respect for. If they played for the Spurs or Heat they would hardly ever get a foul called on them. It is what it is. I notice the trend enough not to make a fuss when ticky tack fouls get called on them that usually don't get called. I've seen the refs do the same thing to Zeller but lately he's been on their good side which is a good thing.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#690 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:18 pm

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mrknowitall215 wrote:Hopefully Thibodeau give Clifford some advice on keeping his best perimeter defender in the game extensively to prevent slippage. It's important that defenses take away the ability/momentum of the wing players that can create help defense


Admittedly I did not see the Celtics game. According to reports Jeff Green couldn't be stopped by Hyphen. I see everyone always touting his D; what happened?

I suppose I just do not see his greatness.


Those reports are false & bias. Jeff Green didn't do enough damage (18 points total) last night to qualify as "couldn't be stopped" and half of those points were scored when MKG was on the bench. Green made his share of shots, but there was three other Celtics that scored as many or more points than him. MKG played 20 minutes in a 48 minute game...he's not the blame for the defensive lapses
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#691 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:36 am

At the beginning of next season I better start seeing a little bit of muscle in his upper body. His legs are tree trunks, but his upper body looks extremely weak. Seeing Butler the other night looks like Sylvester Stallone in Rocky 4 made me realize that MKG needs to bulk up a bit.

Hit the weights, smooth out that shot, please.
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Post#692 » by JDR720 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:39 am

He really does have some pretty small arms

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Post#693 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:16 pm

On Mike and Mike this morning they asked Avery Johnson if Charlotte was one player away from the upper echelon of the east. Avery said probably 2, and we need big time help at SF since MKG literally can do nothing on the offensive end.
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Post#694 » by ball teacher » Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:02 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:On Mike and Mike this morning they asked Avery Johnson if Charlotte was one player away from the upper echelon of the east. Avery said probably 2, and we need big time help at SF since MKG literally can do nothing on the offensive end.


Chris Webber was calling Rockets vs Blazers game last night and he made a comment about Thomas Robinson after it was said that T Rob was on like 3 different teams in only his second year, and Webber made the same statement Kenny the Jet Smith made when he said "sometimes players just aren't in the right situation". Well MKG is not in the right situation, it's clear when you see his numbers dropped off from the previous year, when you hear about the coach wanting to reduce his role, it's clear when you see he doesnt get entrusted to play in the 4th quarter even though he's one of our best OVERALL players.

Chauncey Billups career didnt blow up until he left Boston, the team that drafted him. Thabo Sefolosha was at the end of the bench in Chicago, he gets traded to OKC and he becomes a valuable piece to what they have their. Rondo was average and considered the weak link in Boston when the big 3 came, and they pretty much helped make him a all star.

MKG has major talent, but Cliff wasnt the guy that brought him here, and this is what potentially happens when you draft a guy who isn't a finished product and you have different coaches coming in with different agendas, the young project players development can get lost when new coaches come in with their own plans.

Cliff came into Charlotte as a student of Stan Van Gundy, a guy who valued 3pt and perimeter shooting, MKG is clearly not, and has never been a perimeter shooter, so because of that we just dont play him so guys like Tolliver and CDR, and Neal can chuck up jumpers while a true young talent sits the bench like he isn't someone who can help us win games. I guarantee you if MKG played 30 plus minutes a game and he shot just 10 shots per game, he'd have averaged at least 14 and 7 per for the year. Instead he plays about 15-20 minutes per game, he's given a role offensively where hes treated as the guy who you cant trust with the ball, and then people who dont really understand whats happening say he's the weak link.

I'll say again, that I believe MKG will be gone, either by draft time this off season, or by the trade deadline next season. He wont be a good jump shooter over the summer, as a matter of fact, thanks to Cliff MKG's jumper is worse than it's ever been cause they put it in his head that his jumper is so bad looking, and so wrong that he has to change it entirely. What coach has EVER tried to make a player shoot the ball with a entirely different form? If you know anything about coaching, you'd know that telling a person this is detrimental to the player because you need focus when you shoot jumpers, and telling someone what MKG was told would only make the person lose focus on the way he shoots naturally and have him overly thinking when he shoots which could lead to doubts in the shot, which is exactly what everybody here has at one point accused MKG of, not trusting his jumper. Thank Cliff for that.

MKG will be ok, I think he can have a great career in the NBA. I think that he will get even stronger than he already is, and remember, at 20 years old, the guy is already over 230 pounds. I just hope if we let him go we get something of value back since we are making his value drop by treating him as a scrub.
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Post#695 » by Snidely FC » Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:21 pm

MKG has got to find a way to stay on the floor! His defense with Lebron and Wade out there is too important.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#696 » by countryboi » Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:21 pm

the NBA playoffs really expose all your flaws to the world...its kinda scary...next season is do or die season for MKG he has to get better on the offensive end.
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Post#697 » by StitchJones » Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:38 pm

MKG's not being on the floor is his own fault. He is a non factor on offense because he can't shoot to save his life. It's almost 5 on four when he's on the court because the defense is daring him to take a 25-20 foot jumpshot. if he does not commit to changing and improving that shot during the offseason then his career will not be long in this league. If this was the 80's then he would be just fine, but the game today is about offense and spacing.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#698 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:53 pm

I don't understand this notion that we're playing 4-on-5 when MKG is on the court if we're outscoring the opponent whenever he's on the court. No, MKG isn't a offensive savant, but he's a difference maker

Until I start seeing the Bobcats lose games in spite of MKG being on the floor at the end of games I refuse to believe that he's as big of a detriment in the 4th quarter as Clifford make him out to be. MKG isn't a disservice in the 1st quarter when the Bobcats usually make their leads, so what changes in the 4th quarter other than a marred perception that he can't be depended on offensively
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#699 » by -Ian- » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:20 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:On Mike and Mike this morning they asked Avery Johnson if Charlotte was one player away from the upper echelon of the east. Avery said probably 2, and we need big time help at SF since MKG literally can do nothing on the offensive end.

Whoa! He actually said that MKG can do nothing on offense?
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Post#700 » by StitchJones » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:26 pm

Again. The NBA is about spacing. If you have MKG passing the ball inside to Big Al, the amount of space Al has to work on the post will be limited because MKG's man is going to pretty much double Al because he has NO FEAR of MKG shooting the ball. I think people are not realizing the offense we are missing when he is in the game. Particularly with Henderson in at the same time. Watch the Rockets, Trailblazers or the Spurs and see the driving lanes / scoring opportunities that open up when you have a team where no one can be left virtually unguarded. It changes everything... It's why we are the 7th seed and not the 3rd or 4th. It's why Kemba still has to take difficult shots at the rim.

We have masked this deficiency at SF a bit by having a PF in McRob who can pass and take some 3 point shots, but it is not ideal.

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