The Nik Stauskas Thread

Crossroads24 · Post #681 » by **Crossroads24** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:46 pm

He gets very little lift on his jumper and has a very average release point.

I still like the guy, but those are things that make you go hmmmmm...

tmorgan · Post #682 » by **tmorgan** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:10 pm

Ptfff... he gets little lift on his jumper because his release is fluid and super quick. His release point is perfect, centered and just over his head.

If anyone has tried to sell you on Day One Stauskas as an NBA playmaker, they're crazy, but don't denigrate the man's shot. His matchup will need to stick to him like glue, because any kind of space and he can get that shot off.

mrknowitall215 · Post #683 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:19 pm

tmorgan wrote:Ptfff... he gets little lift on his jumper because his release is fluid and super quick. His release point is perfect, centered and just over his head.

If anyone has tried to sell you on Day One Stauskas as an NBA playmaker, they're crazy, but don't denigrate the man's shot. His matchup will need to stick to him like glue, because any kind of space and he can get that shot off.

Great points...

thesneakysneak · Post #684 » by **thesneakysneak** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:41 pm

The shot chart of nik's FG attempts from grantland had me drooling.

BeesWax · Post #685 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:43 pm

It seems no matter who we choose a good portion of this board will be pissed.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #686 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:02 pm

Probably. For my part I'm becoming less emotionally invested in this whole draft at this point. Too much uncertainty.

Though I really do hope I can talk about how good Nik is a few years from now no matter who drafts him.

SWedd523 · Post #687 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:06 pm

White Dell Curry

amcoolio · Post #688 » by **amcoolio** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:37 pm

Are teams allowed to workout draft prospects with current NBA players? I'm guessing no, otherwise we could have just fit Nik and Doug into the starting lineup minus Henderson and see how they played together.

Bizz · Post #689 » by **Bizz** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:25 pm

After Dario Saric shoot his draft stock in both legs and is out of the question at #9 I am now in the Nik Stauskas camp.

Stauskas is a great fit for this team and could work with Kemba and MKG very well down the road. He is the best floor spacer in this draft even better than McDermott. Dougs go to move is a Dirk-like fadeaway jumper, a move that doesn't space the floor but actually requires other players to stand around 3pt arc and space the floor. While Nik is a pure 3pt specialist. And 3pt specialist have a place in the NBA even if they s*ck at everything else.

But Stauskas doesn't s*ck at everything else. For starters he is a very capable PnR player with good vision. He also has a good enough handles to be effective. PnR is half of the offense in the NBA anyways and with the shooting and passing capabilities of Nik, he can be a very deadly player. Hornets don't really have anybody who is capable of running PnR outside of Kemba, maybe Neal but that is stretching. With Al being a great PnR and PnP threat this team could use a player like Stauskas badly.

And he also showed some slashing ability which he could improve even more as he gets stronger. If he ever becomes a good slasher he will posses the holy trinity of offense 3pt, mid range pull up and slashing. Something Goran Dragič got when he developed a reliable 3pt shot. And look how effective he was this season.

Stauskas has enough athletic ability that I believe that with the right coaching he can become a decent defender. But he will need to give more effort and develop the fundamentals (stance, footwork, positioning). Not an easy task, but as all players around #9 have a major flaw I think Nik is the best and safest pick at this point.

mrknowitall215 · Post #690 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:38 pm

I can easily see myself turning on Stauskas even if he's putting up 15 points on 50% shooting (which I doubt as a rookie; but not impossible) if his defense is as bad as the advanced statistic metrics make him out to be in both his freshman & sophomore seasons at Michigan

amcoolio · Post #691 » by **amcoolio** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:04 am

Bizz wrote:After Dario Saric shoot his draft stock in both legs and is out of the question at #9 I am now in the Nik Stauskas camp.

Stauskas is a great fit for this team and could work with Kemba and MKG very well down the road. He is the best floor spacer in this draft even better than McDermott. Dougs go to move is a Dirk-like fadeaway jumper, a move that doesn't space the floor but actually requires other players to stand around 3pt arc and space the floor. While Nik is a pure 3pt specialist. And 3pt specialist have a place in the NBA even if they s*ck at everything else.

But Stauskas doesn't s*ck at everything else. For starters he is a very capable PnR player with good vision. He also has a good enough handles to be effective. PnR is half of the offense in the NBA anyways and with the shooting and passing capabilities of Nik, he can be a very deadly player. Hornets don't really have anybody who is capable of running PnR outside of Kemba, maybe Neal but that is stretching. With Al being a great PnR and PnP threat this team could use a player like Stauskas badly.

And he also showed some slashing ability which he could improve even more as he gets stronger. If he ever becomes a good slasher he will posses the holy trinity of offense 3pt, mid range pull up and slashing. Something Goran Dragič got when he developed a reliable 3pt shot. And look how effective he was this season.

Stauskas has enough athletic ability that I believe that with the right coaching he can become a decent defender. But he will need to give more effort and develop the fundamentals (stance, footwork, positioning). Not an easy task, but as all players around #9 have a major flaw I think Nik is the best and safest pick at this point.

You just described 2004 Matt Carroll coming out of the D-League IMO

Thats what I'm wary of with Nik, that he doesn't become anything other than Carroll or Kapono. IE situational role player at best and non starter on playoff teams. If ya'll remember we loved Carroll here because he could also put the ball on the floor and tried hard, but ultimately we couldn't play him due to total lack of D and he was useless if not shooting the ball 12-15 times a night.

I don't see Nik being aggressive enough with his shots, and only taking 6-8 shots a night. If we had the 14th or 16th pick, fine, but not 9th in a loaded draft.

amcoolio · Post #692 » by **amcoolio** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:05 am

If we settle on Nik just because we need shooting I'll be disappointed. We need to be going BPA since this 9th pick was gifted to us. I will be livid if we draft Nik over Smart, Gordon, or Randle

BeesWax · Post #693 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:11 am

amcoolio wrote:If we settle on Nik just because we need shooting I'll be disappointed. We need to be going BPA since this 9th pick was gifted to us. I will be livid if we draft Nik over Smart, Gordon, or Randle

Like I said everyone we pick will have opposition. I want BPA too so if we took Gordon or Randle over Nik I would be livid.

catch20two · Post #694 » by **catch20two** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:18 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:I can easily see myself turning on Stauskas even if he's putting up 15 points on 50% shooting (which I doubt as a rookie; but not impossible) if his defense is as bad as the advanced statistic metrics make him out to be in both his freshman & sophomore seasons at Michigan

That defense is a problem. That's why I started backing off him a couple weeks ago. He gonna give away as many points as he make. Especially with Big Al's lumbering ass behind him. Lol

Bizz · Post #695 » by **Bizz** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:24 am

amcoolio wrote:
You just described 2004 Matt Carroll coming out of the D-League IMO

Thats what I'm wary of with Nik, that he doesn't become anything other than Carroll or Kapono. IE situational role player at best and non starter on playoff teams. If ya'll remember we loved Carroll here because he could also put the ball on the floor and tried hard, but ultimately we couldn't play him due to total lack of D and he was useless if not shooting the ball 12-15 times a night.

I don't see Nik being aggressive enough with his shots, and only taking 6-8 shots a night. If we had the 14th or 16th pick, fine, but not 9th in a loaded draft.

LOL and I taught I was describing a poormans Ginobili

The few things I think Stauskas has over Hammer:
- More athletic
- Better court vision
- Better handles

I also would like a better prospect but this draft is top 7-8 and we are sitting on a pick that starts the next tier of prospects. We could pick several players here and are probably looking to trade the pick for a proven veteran if possible.

This is my board:
Wiggins
Parker
Exum
Embiid (the injury scares me would probably pass on him)
Vonleh
Smart

Gordon
Randle (don't like him for our team as I think he is a poor fit with Al)

And then come players in our range that are plentiful so much that I think that the difference between 6 and 9 is double the difference between 9 and 16. IMO the players rated from 9-16 are mostly interchangable and it is not far fetched to think that Stauskas or McDrermott fall to #16 if Hornets don't pick them.

amcoolio · Post #696 » by **amcoolio** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:28 am

I would reluctantly trade 9 and 24 for Vonleh or Smart as I think they are just so much better than the SG's we have looked at. I wonder if Boston at 6 , Lakers at 7 or Utah at 5 would bite. Utah's rumored to be high on Harris and Stauskas.

mrknowitall215 · Post #697 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:31 am

amcoolio wrote:I would reluctantly trade 9 and 24 for Vonleh or Smart as I think they are just so much better than the SG's we have looked at. I wonder if Boston at 6 , Lakers at 7 or Utah at 5 would bite. Utah's rumored to be high on Harris and Stauskas.

I'm scared of Vonleh. The only thing I liked about him was that he had better skill sets than Zeller to play alongside Jefferson, but now that he's practically out of Charlotte's range at #9, I'm not really interested. I can easily see him being 'the bust' of this draft class

I love Smart and his approach to the game so I wouldn't be the least bit disappointed if Cho traded up for him. The Hornets defense would be ascertain to be better than last year's top-10 defense with Smart on board. My only knock with Smart is his jump shot, but he's not horrible at it, just far from dependent

ARHornet · Post #698 » by **ARHornet** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:35 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
amcoolio wrote:I would reluctantly trade 9 and 24 for Vonleh or Smart as I think they are just so much better than the SG's we have looked at. I wonder if Boston at 6 , Lakers at 7 or Utah at 5 would bite. Utah's rumored to be high on Harris and Stauskas.

I'm scared of Vonleh. The only thing I liked about him was that he had better skill sets than Zeller to play alongside Jefferson, but now that he's practically out of Charlotte's range at #9, I'm not really interested. I can easily see him being 'the bust' of this draft class

I love Smart and his approach to the game so I wouldn't be the least bit disappointed if Cho traded up for him. The Hornets defense would be ascertain to be better than last year's top-10 defense with Smart on board. My only knock with Smart is his jump shot, but he's not horrible at it, just far from dependent

Agreed. The guy has potential but he is so raw. I wouldn't be upset if we took him but I certainly wouldn't trade up for Vonleh.

Bizz · Post #699 » by **Bizz** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:39 am

I would also trade #9 and 24# in a heartbeat for 5-7. Talent drop of is jut to big after top 7-8 players, hopefully Smart or Vonleh drop. Wouldn't be mad if we pick Gordon but I think Randle can't play alongside Al and as Al is on the floor 30+ minutes Randle wouldn't get the minutes he needs to develop to full potential.

mrknowitall215 · Post #700 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:41 am

catch20two wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I can easily see myself turning on Stauskas even if he's putting up 15 points on 50% shooting (which I doubt as a rookie; but not impossible) if his defense is as bad as the advanced statistic metrics make him out to be in both his freshman & sophomore seasons at Michigan

That defense is a problem. That's why I started backing off him a couple weeks ago. He gonna give away as many points as he make. Especially with Big Al's lumbering ass behind him. Lol

I like Stauskas, I really do, but likewise he ascended to the bottom of my shortlist at #9 when I seen that he was 2-3 defensive rating points worst than Spike Albrecht over the past two seasons and easily the worst defender on the entire Michigan team in logical senses during that span. All that said, Michigan wasn't even a good defensive team to me, so him being the worst defender on a bad defensive team brought those MCW headaches from this past year's Sixers into mind