Leap Year - The Kemba Walker Thread III

[BeesWax]

People continuing to post Walkers stats on a horrific 21 win team where Dunlap gave him free reign is nauseating. We can't win with him playing like that.

Who posted those stats?

Too lazy to look. I'm certain I saw them tiday, and recently in regards to how Dunlaps offense catered to Walker, and that's why he put up better numbers, and that might be the case.

But there really wasn't much structure to Dunlaps offense. Walker was able to do whatever he wanted, and that does help him, but only an elite guard like a Westbrook can do that and win games.

I think Walker is going to have a massive year, though. All star year.

Just a feeling.

I put up his slash lines and asked if people would be ok with those numbers this year. I mean people get so offended when you call Al out, to the point of threatening people, yet Kemba is held to twice the stanard. He has been inefficient but my point was those numbers were not far off the normal seasons for Teague and Lowry who people like to talk up. Our entire offense was inefficient last season so I am not sure who is really at fault right now.

[Liver_Pooty]

Who posted those stats?

Too lazy to look. I'm certain I saw them tiday, and recently in regards to how Dunlaps offense catered to Walker, and that's why he put up better numbers, and that might be the case.

But there really wasn't much structure to Dunlaps offense. Walker was able to do whatever he wanted, and that does help him, but only an elite guard like a Westbrook can do that and win games.

I think Walker is going to have a massive year, though. All star year.

Just a feeling.

I put up his slash lines and asked if people would be ok with those numbers this year. I mean people get so offended when you call Al out, to the point of threatening people, yet Kemba is held to twice the stanard. He has been inefficient but my point was those numbers were not far off the normal seasons for Teague and Lowry who people like to talk up. Our entire offense was inefficient last season so I am not sure who is really at fault right now.

Our offense was inefficient because we sucked top to bottom offensively.

Walker - other than december? Couldn't shoot
Henderson - Same ol sh't
MKG - Better range, but still a liability on that end
Zeller - Mainly pick and rolls that led to dunks. Jumper still suspect

Jefferson - He's efficient, but can stop ball movement at times

It's not just Walker or Jefferson. It was MKG and everyone else as well. Batum will fix a lot of this, and Frank will help as well. I'm assuming Zeller, and MKG will be improved, and if Lamb is a tenth as good as the UCONN fan boys think he is we have a really good overall roster in my opinion that can win 45+ games.

[BeesWax]

Too lazy to look. I'm certain I saw them tiday, and recently in regards to how Dunlaps offense catered to Walker, and that's why he put up better numbers, and that might be the case.

But there really wasn't much structure to Dunlaps offense. Walker was able to do whatever he wanted, and that does help him, but only an elite guard like a Westbrook can do that and win games.

I think Walker is going to have a massive year, though. All star year.

Just a feeling.

I put up his slash lines and asked if people would be ok with those numbers this year. I mean people get so offended when you call Al out, to the point of threatening people, yet Kemba is held to twice the stanard. He has been inefficient but my point was those numbers were not far off the normal seasons for Teague and Lowry who people like to talk up. Our entire offense was inefficient last season so I am not sure who is really at fault right now.

Our offense was inefficient because we sucked top to bottom offensively.

Walker - other than december? Couldn't shoot
Henderson - Same ol sh't
MKG - Better range, but still a liability on that end
Zeller - Mainly pick and rolls that led to dunks. Jumper still suspect

Jefferson - He's efficient, but can stop ball movement at times

It's not just Walker or Jefferson. It was MKG and everyone else as well. Batum will fix a lot of this, and Frank will help as well. I'm assuming Zeller, and MKG will be improved, and if Lamb is a tenth as good as the UCONN fan boys think he is we have a really good overall roster in my opinion that can win 45+ games.

For a center Jefferson is not efficient. He stops the ball, can't play defense and is not efficient for his position. Everyone else on that list brought something to the table despite their inefficiency but him. Our offense was so poorly thought out for the players we had no wonder they all struggled.

[Liver_Pooty]

I put up his slash lines and asked if people would be ok with those numbers this year. I mean people get so offended when you call Al out, to the point of threatening people, yet Kemba is held to twice the stanard. He has been inefficient but my point was those numbers were not far off the normal seasons for Teague and Lowry who people like to talk up. Our entire offense was inefficient last season so I am not sure who is really at fault right now.

Our offense was inefficient because we sucked top to bottom offensively.

Walker - other than december? Couldn't shoot
Henderson - Same ol sh't
MKG - Better range, but still a liability on that end
Zeller - Mainly pick and rolls that led to dunks. Jumper still suspect

Jefferson - He's efficient, but can stop ball movement at times

It's not just Walker or Jefferson. It was MKG and everyone else as well. Batum will fix a lot of this, and Frank will help as well. I'm assuming Zeller, and MKG will be improved, and if Lamb is a tenth as good as the UCONN fan boys think he is we have a really good overall roster in my opinion that can win 45+ games.

For a center Jefferson is not efficient. He stops the ball, can't play defense and is not efficient for his position. Everyone else on that list brought something to the table despite their inefficiency but him. Our offense was so poorly thought out for the players we had no wonder they all struggled.

I don't have stats to back my claim up, because I'm not into analytics, but going by the eye test Jefferson is very efficient offensively. I agree he may stop the ball movement at times, but I don't question his efficiency on that end at all.

I'm sure you or someone may post some statistics to refute my claim, and you might be right. But he's efficient in my book.

[BeesWax]

Our offense was inefficient because we sucked top to bottom offensively.

Walker - other than december? Couldn't shoot
Henderson - Same ol sh't
MKG - Better range, but still a liability on that end
Zeller - Mainly pick and rolls that led to dunks. Jumper still suspect

Jefferson - He's efficient, but can stop ball movement at times

It's not just Walker or Jefferson. It was MKG and everyone else as well. Batum will fix a lot of this, and Frank will help as well. I'm assuming Zeller, and MKG will be improved, and if Lamb is a tenth as good as the UCONN fan boys think he is we have a really good overall roster in my opinion that can win 45+ games.

For a center Jefferson is not efficient. He stops the ball, can't play defense and is not efficient for his position. Everyone else on that list brought something to the table despite their inefficiency but him. Our offense was so poorly thought out for the players we had no wonder they all struggled.

I don't have stats to back my claim up, because I'm not into analytics, but going by the eye test Jefferson is very efficient offensively. I agree he may stop the ball movement at times, but I don't question his efficiency on that end at all.

I'm sure you or someone may post some statistics to refute my claim, and you might be right. But he's efficient in my book.

He is in the bottom half of starting centers in TS% I believe. Not a place to check this right now but I know he was 45th in it when limiting to just centers but some of those ahead are backups.

Decided to try looking it up on my iPad and of qualified centers on ESPN he ranked 53 out of 61 and falls in around 14 in estimated wins added amongst centers between Gortat and Whiteside.

[mrknowitall215]

I have no connection to UCONN but hating on Kemba is silly. If you want him to be a sixth man, fine, but bring someone in better. Easier said than done

They could trade him in a package for Ty Lawson or Kyle Lowry. I'm not quite sure how good that would make the team as a sum of parts. Definitely wouldn't be contenders

I'd MUCH rather Kemba on our team than Lowry. By a large margin.




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That's kind of you to say without saying that you would agree that Kemba was paid fair market value on the extension then since his contract was predicated on Lowry's payday, and a bargain if you consider the incentive that he still has room to grow as a player like Lowry did from the player he was 5 years prior to Kemba's tenure

[Liver_Pooty]

They could trade him in a package for Ty Lawson or Kyle Lowry. I'm not quite sure how good that would make the team as a sum of parts. Definitely wouldn't be contenders

I'd MUCH rather Kemba on our team than Lowry. By a large margin.




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That's kind of you to say without saying that you would agree that Kemba was paid fair market value on the extension then since his contract was predicated on Lowry's payday, and a bargain if you consider the incentive that he still has room to grow as a player like Lowry did from the player he was 5 years prior to Kemba's tenure

I think everyone can agree that Walkers contract is great right now.

[catch20two]

I think Kemba's shooting inefficiency is because he's still looking over his shoulder for Myck Kabongo to take his spot. The ghost of Kabongo haunts Kemba.

[mrknowitall215]

I think Kemba's shooting inefficiency is because he's still looking over his shoulder for Myck Kabongo to take his spot. The ghost of Kabongo haunts Kemba.

Myck Kabongo was allegedly supposed to be a better version of Rajon Rondo like Ben McLemore was supposed to be a better version of Ray Allen

[catch20two]

I think Kemba's shooting inefficiency is because he's still looking over his shoulder for Myck Kabongo to take his spot. The ghost of Kabongo haunts Kemba.

Myck Kabongo was allegedly supposed to be a better version of Rajon Rondo like Ben McLemore was supposed to be a better version of Ray Allen

Man those were the good old days. Zeller was a afterthought. Lethal Weapon Danny Glover wanted to kill LP over Otto Porter. Kemba and MKG were fresh outta Dunlap's offense that let them play freely and more fun. Prolly the only thing I really hated then was all the losing and Mullens. Lol

[Liver_Pooty]

I think Kemba's shooting inefficiency is because he's still looking over his shoulder for Myck Kabongo to take his spot. The ghost of Kabongo haunts Kemba.

Myck Kabongo was allegedly supposed to be a better version of Rajon Rondo like Ben McLemore was supposed to be a better version of Ray Allen

Lol. Who was the massive Kabongo advocate on this board? I know he doesn't post anymore, but damn.

[mrknowitall215]

I think Kemba's shooting inefficiency is because he's still looking over his shoulder for Myck Kabongo to take his spot. The ghost of Kabongo haunts Kemba.

Myck Kabongo was allegedly supposed to be a better version of Rajon Rondo like Ben McLemore was supposed to be a better version of Ray Allen

Lol. Who was the massive Kabongo advocate on this board? I know he doesn't post anymore, but damn.

I can't forget. The name resonates in my head. None other than the now "banned user" that went by the username 'Leolovinliberal'. According to him, Kabongo was going to be a STAR, Kemba & Rondo combined, etc.

[Braggins]

Al was close to last in the league in points per shot for qualified players and his true shooting % was less than 2% higher than Kembas.

[Eoghan]

I think Kemba's shooting inefficiency is because he's still looking over his shoulder for Myck Kabongo to take his spot. The ghost of Kabongo haunts Kemba.

Myck Kabongo was allegedly supposed to be a better version of Rajon Rondo like Ben McLemore was supposed to be a better version of Ray Allen

Man those were the good old days. Zeller was a afterthought. Lethal Weapon Danny Glover wanted to kill LP over Otto Porter. Kemba and MKG were fresh outta Dunlap's offense that let them play freely and more fun. Prolly the only thing I really hated then was all the losing and Mullens. Lol

Bobcat legend DJ White would like a word with you.

[mrknowitall215]

Thru First 4 Seasons

Kemba
OBPM: +2.0
DBPM: -0.8
BPM: +1.2
VORP: +7.6

Conley
OBPM: +0.6
DBPM: -0.9
BPM: -0.3
VORP: +4.0

Lowry
OBPM: +0.2
DBPM: -0.2
BPM: -0.1
VORP: +2.9

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2015&p1=walkeke02&y2=2010&p2=lowryky01&y3=2011&p3=conlemi01&p4=&p5=&p6=

I don't even like Plus/Minus stats, but since a certain somebody do, I'll oblige

[Liver_Pooty]

Thru First 4 Seasons

Kemba
OBPM: +2.0
DBPM: -0.8
BPM: +1.2
VORP: +7.6

Conley
OBPM: +0.6
DBPM: -0.9
BPM: -0.3
VORP: +4.0

Lowry
OBPM: +0.2
DBPM: -0.2
BPM: -0.1
VORP: +2.9

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2015&p1=walkeke02&y2=2010&p2=lowryky01&y3=2011&p3=conlemi01&p4=&p5=&p6=

I don't even like Plus/Minus stats, but since a certain somebody do, I'll oblige

I need to get way more familiar with analytics since I honestly don't know what any of that means.

Definitely favors Walker though.

[catch20two]

Thru First 4 Seasons

Kemba
OBPM: +2.0
DBPM: -0.8
BPM: +1.2
VORP: +7.6

Conley
OBPM: +0.6
DBPM: -0.9
BPM: -0.3
VORP: +4.0

Lowry
OBPM: +0.2
DBPM: -0.2
BPM: -0.1
VORP: +2.9

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2015&p1=walkeke02&y2=2010&p2=lowryky01&y3=2011&p3=conlemi01&p4=&p5=&p6=

I don't even like Plus/Minus stats, but since a certain somebody do, I'll oblige

Ether on BPM. Lol

[mrknowitall215]

Thru First 4 Seasons

Kemba
OBPM: +2.0
DBPM: -0.8
BPM: +1.2
VORP: +7.6

Conley
OBPM: +0.6
DBPM: -0.9
BPM: -0.3
VORP: +4.0

Lowry
OBPM: +0.2
DBPM: -0.2
BPM: -0.1
VORP: +2.9

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2015&p1=walkeke02&y2=2010&p2=lowryky01&y3=2011&p3=conlemi01&p4=&p5=&p6=

I don't even like Plus/Minus stats, but since a certain somebody do, I'll oblige

I need to get way more familiar with analytics since I honestly don't know what any of that means.

Definitely favors Walker though.

OBPM = Offensive Box Plus/Minus
DBPM = Defensive Box Plus/MInus
BPM = Box Plus/Minus (Total)
VORP = Value Over Replacement Player

[Liver_Pooty]

Thru First 4 Seasons

Kemba
OBPM: +2.0
DBPM: -0.8
BPM: +1.2
VORP: +7.6

Conley
OBPM: +0.6
DBPM: -0.9
BPM: -0.3
VORP: +4.0

Lowry
OBPM: +0.2
DBPM: -0.2
BPM: -0.1
VORP: +2.9

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2015&p1=walkeke02&y2=2010&p2=lowryky01&y3=2011&p3=conlemi01&p4=&p5=&p6=

I don't even like Plus/Minus stats, but since a certain somebody do, I'll oblige

I need to get way more familiar with analytics since I honestly don't know what any of that means.

Definitely favors Walker though.

OBPM = Offensive Box Plus/Minus
DBPM = Defensive Box Plus/MInus
BPM = Box Plus/Minus (Total)
VORP = Value Over Replacement Player

Thanks

[catch20two]

Throw in the fact that neither of them were depended on to score for their team until like the past 2 years. I'm sure that help shooting efficiency.