2011 Draft Prospect Thread

JMAC3 · Post #701 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:16 am

Overated guys Include:
Enes Kanter- Unathletic, No star potential, Has not played for over a year. NBA comparison- Luis Scola
Kawhi Leonard- Not consistent Offensively, No range, too small to play PF, played weak competition. NBA comparison- Poor Mans Gerald Wallace or Shawn Marion.
Jimmer Fredette- Too small to play SG, shoots too much and not good enough playmaker to play PG, Bad defense, played Weak competition, NBA comparison- Mike Bibby
Marcus Morris- Tweener, not great at anything, no star potential, no handles to play 3. NBA Comparison- Al Harrington
Markeiff Morris- Overhyped because he is a twin, Robin Lopez compared to Brook.
Terrence Jones- No handles to play three, slow, not great athlete, slow release, low BBIQ NBA comparison- slightly worse Marvin Williams

Stun704 · Post #702 » by **Stun704** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:42 am

JMAC3 wrote:Overated guys Include:
Enes Kanter- Unathletic, No star potential, Has not played for over a year. NBA comparison- Luis Scola
Kawhi Leonard- Not consistent Offensively, No range, too small to play PF, played weak competition. NBA comparison- Poor Mans Gerald Wallace or Shawn Marion.
Jimmer Fredette- Too small to play SG, shoots too much and not good enough playmaker to play PG, Bad defense, played Weak competition, NBA comparison- Mike Bibby
Marcus Morris- Tweener, not great at anything, no star potential, no handles to play 3. NBA Comparison- Al Harrington
Markeiff Morris- Overhyped because he is a twin, Robin Lopez compared to Brook.
Terrence Jones- No handles to play three, slow, not great athlete, slow release, low BBIQ NBA comparison- slightly worse Marvin Williams

Who would you say the underrated players are?

moevil · Post #703 » by **moevil** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:01 am

The fact is, that most star potential is usually within top 5, else is not big difference. Is it 8 or 18. Really, it's just about luck.

So I root us to make playoffs and give our mid 1st rounder to Bulls, not pick as 13-14 and get almost nothing in return.

Post #704 » by **Diop** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:14 am

JMAC3 wrote:Overated guys Include:
Enes Kanter- Unathletic, No star potential, Has not played for over a year. NBA comparison- Luis Scola

I would love Luis Scola on this team. I think he is truly underrated.

If Kanter is similar then get him!

ohara · Post #705 » by **ohara** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:49 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Overated guys Include:
Enes Kanter- Unathletic, No star potential, Has not played for over a year. NBA comparison- Luis Scola
Kawhi Leonard- Not consistent Offensively, No range, too small to play PF, played weak competition. NBA comparison- Poor Mans Gerald Wallace or Shawn Marion.
Jimmer Fredette- Too small to play SG, shoots too much and not good enough playmaker to play PG, Bad defense, played Weak competition, NBA comparison- Mike Bibby
Marcus Morris- Tweener, not great at anything, no star potential, no handles to play 3. NBA Comparison- Al Harrington
Markeiff Morris- Overhyped because he is a twin, Robin Lopez compared to Brook.
Terrence Jones- No handles to play three, slow, not great athlete, slow release, low BBIQ NBA comparison- slightly worse Marvin Williams

I would not put Kanter or Leonard on this list. The others maybe, but not those 2. I think they will be fine in the NBA.

Post #706 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:57 pm

fatlever wrote:i know the old days are long gone, but it sure was nice when we got to see college stars play for at least 2-4 years before they left for the nba. it made college basketball so much more interesting and made the nba draft so much more exciting. but i guess its slightly better than when they were coming straight from high school.

I totally agree. I've always been against the "High Schooler turning Pro" thing and making it a "Freshman turning pro" thing really isn't that much different.

I'd much rather kids stay in college longer so they come to the NBA more a finished product. I think it's better for the college game and the NBA game - but the problem is it's not good for the kids. You are taking away the potential of millions and millions of dollars for them.

doc.end · Post #707 » by **doc.end** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:14 pm

moevil wrote:The fact is, that most star potential is usually within top 5, else is not big difference. Is it 8 or 18. Really, it's just about luck.

So I root us to make playoffs and give our mid 1st rounder to Bulls, not pick as 13-14 and get almost nothing in return.

Not this year.

ohara · Post #708 » by **ohara** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:47 pm

Help me out here. Suppose the CBA Agreemnent is not renewed and we lose the 2011-2012 season, which is entirely possible from all that is talked about. They say it will be far more contentious than the current NFL issues.

If we dont make the Playoffs this season, we are likely looking at #10 and #17/18 from NO. If there is no 2011-2012 season, then I would think the Draft next year would follow the same order, no? (But we would not get NO pick again). Our 2012 to Chi is Lottery protected, so it would stay with us, correct? So even if some of the good underclassmen this year stay in school, we would still do well with #10 and #17/18 this season and then #10 again in a much deeper and better draft next season. This all goes out the window if we make the Playoffs, but I honestly think Indiana and the Bucks have the advantage going into the last 2 weeks.

countryboi · Post #709 » by **countryboi** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:09 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Overated guys Include:
Enes Kanter- Unathletic, No star potential, Has not played for over a year. NBA comparison- Luis Scola
Kawhi Leonard- Not consistent Offensively, No range, too small to play PF, played weak competition. NBA comparison- Poor Mans Gerald Wallace or Shawn Marion.
Jimmer Fredette- Too small to play SG, shoots too much and not good enough playmaker to play PG, Bad defense, played Weak competition, NBA comparison- Mike Bibby
Marcus Morris- Tweener, not great at anything, no star potential, no handles to play 3. NBA Comparison- Al Harrington
Markeiff Morris- Overhyped because he is a twin, Robin Lopez compared to Brook.
Terrence Jones- No handles to play three, slow, not great athlete, slow release, low BBIQ NBA comparison- slightly worse Marvin Williams

no perry jones III? I am glad i am not the only one that thinks terrence jones looks slow he reminds me alot of luol deng and not in a good way

penquin11 · Post #710 » by **penquin11** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:09 pm

If I'm charlotte right now I would consider trading our picks along with futures to get derrick williams (if possible).

hotrod · Post #711 » by **hotrod** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:49 pm

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doc.end · Post #712 » by **doc.end** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:45 pm

ohara wrote:Help me out here. Suppose the CBA Agreemnent is not renewed and we lose the 2011-2012 season, which is entirely possible from all that is talked about. They say it will be far more contentious than the current NFL issues.

If we dont make the Playoffs this season, we are likely looking at #10 and #17/18 from NO. If there is no 2011-2012 season, then I would think the Draft next year would follow the same order, no? (But we would not get NO pick again). Our 2012 to Chi is Lottery protected, so it would stay with us, correct? So even if some of the good underclassmen this year stay in school, we would still do well with #10 and #17/18 this season and then #10 again in a much deeper and better draft next season. This all goes out the window if we make the Playoffs, but I honestly think Indiana and the Bucks have the advantage going into the last 2 weeks.

I guess nobody knows for sure and we should wait till CBA Agreement. I could easily see lottery would take place again at least, I would rather bet on pre-lottery order than post-lottery one.

Jaruff · Post #713 » by **Jaruff** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:05 pm

BigSlam wrote:
fatlever wrote:i know the old days are long gone, but it sure was nice when we got to see college stars play for at least 2-4 years before they left for the nba. it made college basketball so much more interesting and made the nba draft so much more exciting. but i guess its slightly better than when they were coming straight from high school.

I totally agree. I've always been against the "High Schooler turning Pro" thing and making it a "Freshman turning pro" thing really isn't that much different.

I'd much rather kids stay in college longer so they come to the NBA more a finished product. I think it's better for the college game and the NBA game - but the problem is it's not good for the kids. You are taking away the potential of millions and millions of dollars for them.

If universities payed those kids royalties on merchandise gear, there wouldn't be as big of a problem. I know people say "well, they're getting a free education." How many of the top picks in the country actually want that free education?

I'm actually a fan of going back to the old system; let the HS players declare. I also like the idea of a baseball-style system; if the player doesn't want to join the team, doesn't make the team, or isn't drafted, let them go back to college.

It would allow the talented HS players to forgo the lame duck year of college and it would show the others that they actually need college to improve their game.

Marvel · Post #714 » by **Marvel** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:56 pm

Kanter - Derrick Williams, draft these 2 players, and we GOT A FUTURE.

bobcats3wallace · Post #715 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:01 am

Tyler Honeycutt is coming out to the draft. It will be interesting to see where he goes, i've seen him slip into the 2nd round recently. Depending on where that Hornets pick is, I would be fine with taking this kid to back-up Hendo and occasionally slide to SF. His shot in the NBA is going to be good.

Snidely FC · Post #716 » by **Snidely FC** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:39 am

+1

Honeycutt great choice for this team. Great length, can shoot the 3 and defend.

Snidely FC · Post #717 » by **Snidely FC** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:03 pm

BigSlam wrote:
fatlever wrote:i know the old days are long gone, but it sure was nice when we got to see college stars play for at least 2-4 years before they left for the nba. it made college basketball so much more interesting and made the nba draft so much more exciting. but i guess its slightly better than when they were coming straight from high school.

I totally agree. I've always been against the "High Schooler turning Pro" thing and making it a "Freshman turning pro" thing really isn't that much different.

I'd much rather kids stay in college longer so they come to the NBA more a finished product. I think it's better for the college game and the NBA game - but the problem is it's not good for the kids. You are taking away the potential of millions and millions of dollars for them.

You know the argument , guys on this list at 22 seem fully formed, whereas Brandon Knight is only 18, imagine him in 4 yrs.

At any rate. Thought this would interest you guys. Draft Express' list of best '11 Seniors. I've included the top 10 so go to the link below to see the top 75.

1 Jimmer Fredette PG
22 years old, Senior
6' 2" 195lbs.
BYU
2 Nolan Smith PG/SG
22 years old, Senior
6' 3" 185lbs.
Duke
3 Justin Harper PF
21 years old, Senior
6' 10" 225lbs.
Richmond
4 Kenneth Faried PF
21 years old, Senior
6' 8" 225lbs.
Morehead State
5 JaJuan Johnson PF
22 years old, Senior
6' 10" 215lbs.
Purdue
6 Demetri McCamey PG
22 years old, Senior
6' 3" 205lbs.
Illinois
7 Kyle Singler SF/PF
22 years old, Senior
6' 9" 210lbs.
Duke
8 Keith Benson PF/C
22 years old, Senior
6' 11" 225lbs.
Oakland
9 E'Twaun Moore SG
22 years old, Senior
6' 4" 191lbs.
Purdue
10 Justin Holiday SG/SF
21 years old, Senior
6' 6" 185lbs.
Washington

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/NC ... z1Hzawj0rc
http://www.draftexpress.com

I agree with the value of many of these players just based on their BBIQ. Guys like Singler, Josh Harrellson, Jon Leuer, Matt Howard, Chandler Parsons can be X-factor guys, like Nick Collison on OKC. Norris Cole, Demetri McCamey and Charles Jenkins can be Spur-type back-up PGs with starting PG upside. E'Twaun Moore, Marshon Brooks, JaJuan Johnson can add length and explosive scoring. Thing is a lot of these guys will be available in 2nd Rd and as UDFAs. As such, often because of their mature games and steadiness would be worth Rd 2 or Free Agent looks.

ohara · Post #718 » by **ohara** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:48 pm

Snidely FC wrote:+1

Honeycutt great choice for this team. Great length, can shoot the 3 and defend.

Seen Honeycutt go anywhere from #25 into the mid 2nd round on most all Mocks. Would love to get him with our 2nd rounder, but not spend the NO 1st on him at #18/19.

Snidely FC · Post #719 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:46 am

Had hoped for a Jordan Hamilton/Tyler Honeycutt draft, but with Hamilton now showing up on most lists at 18 and Honeycutt in the 30s, my new dream is to pick a stud with our pick, Hamilton at 18 and Honeycutt in rd. 2.

ohara · Post #720 » by **ohara** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:47 am

Snidely FC wrote:Had hoped for a Jordan Hamilton/Tyler Honeycutt draft, but with Hamilton now showing up on most lists at 18 and Honeycutt in the 30s, my new dream is to pick a stud with our pick, Hamilton at 18 and Honeycutt in rd. 2.

That would be truly awesome. If we Kemba or Knight with our 1st, I'd be very happy. I really want Kanter, but he will be gone by #6.