1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

[JMAC3]

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Truly disgusting, I don't see how you can watch this and still want this man.

BLAHHHHH @ averaging 10 pts and 7 rebounds

Some things I noticed that are discouraging from watching video..

Does not finish with contact at rim.When he grabbed offensive boards he fades away and throws it up like its a hot potato. He needs to grab and take it up strong. Doesnt see the open man a few times when its obvious.Basically if he can't dunk it then he is not scoring.

People say his guards just chucked up shots... Napier is an extremely good passer and had 20 games with 6 or more assists and 2 games with 13 assists.... All Drummonds highlight videos are him catching alleys from his guards against zone defenses.... People dont play zone in the NBA... He he doesnt have the footwork in the post to get easy dunks.

I understand everybody is enamored by this guys physical tools, but he has sooooo much to work on where do you even start. He is built like a big man, is fast for his size, and can jump. I agree there is the possibility he puts together some nice games on the right team. I just do not think he has the work ethic to be great night in and night out. Dwight Howard has an extremely good motor and so did Shaq. They want the ball each play and get angry if they dont get their touches. Drummond looks like he could care less.

So basically if this guy develops a jump hook, spin move, works on his left hand, can learn to shoot higher then 25 percent on free throws, get a 15 foot jumper, learn an offense, learn team defense, learn to run the pick and roll, learn to defend the pick and role, learn to slow down when he touches the ball and survey situation and not just throw it up, not shy away from contact, get more muscular, drop some fat, learn to get motivated, learn to be coached, find a coach who can motivate him because a All time great college coach couldn't, find a love for the game, want the ball each play, learn to be the go to player, pair him with a point guard that averages over 6 assists a game, learn to stay focused, and then we will have a possible Allstar center.

but don't worry until then he will average 5 points a game on dunks (if set up perfectly) , block a few shots, be a huge liability at the free throw line (cant play at the end of games), he will look pretty on the court though because he is fast and jumps high, and he will be completely motivated because this team will be winning every game unlike his team at UCONN and will have a hall of fame coach....

Of course he dominated in highschool, he was the best player on the floor, he was a foot taller then everybody, If i played with a bunch of 5th graders I would look like Jordan too. Point is when the going got tough he quit. Its not going to get any easier and now he will be getting paid regardless...Where is his motivation.

I agree Calhoun was out some, but do not baby him for this. Its not like they replaced him with one of the players Dads. Make excuses for him now and then 3 years into his career you will still be making them and wondering why you didnt see he has no will to be great.

[JMAC3]

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I see Tim Duncan potential in him. I read the other day he has added on 15 pounds of muscle and is over 7 feet tall since the season ended. Also, Tom Crean talked about how Zeller can really shoot the ball and that he will be doing that more this year. He is going to be legit and I see Indiana as serious title contenders so he may be in next years draft. Would be a really nice player to match with Biz.

I just think we should wait until we have a long term solution and not just rush into Thomas Robinson when the fit could be a huge disadvantage later...

[vexco]

Oh my, it's been a long time since I've posted.


Beal or MKG. I like Robinson as well but...just a question of his height.

[Bizz]

I don't get all the Beal love for the #2 pick. Some of the posters are convinced he is the nex Eric Gordon, he even gets a Wade comparison every now and then. But nobody is talking about his floor which is Randy Foye. Everybody has Drummond as the next Kwame and Beal as the next Gordon.

If Trob problem is that he is on a small side of PFs and he + BB make an undersized frontcourt. Why no talk of Walker-Beal back court which is tiny. Not to mention that means sliding 6-5 Hendo to SF.

Lets stay away from Beal. The pick will be between Robinson and Drummond. But I expect Drummond to excell in workouts and become clear cut #2

[Kabookalu]

I don't get all the Beal love for the #2 pick. Some of the posters are convinced he is the nex Eric Gordon, he even gets a Wade comparison every now and then. But nobody is talking about his floor which is Randy Foye. Everybody has Drummond as the next Kwame and Beal as the next Gordon.

If Trob problem is that he is on a small side of PFs and he + BB make an undersized frontcourt. Why no talk of Walker-Beal back court which is tiny. Not to mention that means sliding 6-5 Hendo to SF.

Lets stay away from Beal. The pick will be between Robinson and Drummond. But I expect Drummond to excell in workouts and become clear cut #2

I don't get the Beal love either. Eric Gordon is an explosive athlete, Beal is not. He's a good athlete, but not explosive. He's not a closer. He tried taking over the game against Louisville when Florida choked away the lead and he couldn't do it; it's not in his game and he's just not capable of it because he's not an explosive athlete.

Is a steady all around undersized non explosive shooting guard worth the #2 pick? No. If you're looking for a shooting guard, look at Jeremy Lamb, but even he's not worth the #2 pick with the potential of Robinson and Drummond on board.

[ohara]

I did some studying on the top 5 picks we are looking at for #2. And now I have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Although I am still squarely in the corner of taking T-Rob, I am actually seeing Drummond as my 2nd option, not Beal or MKG. Have to see how I feel about it later today. Could be suffering from heat stroke instead.

[ohara]

DX has us taking T-Rob at #2 and John Jenkins at #31. I like that draft.

[BigSlam]

DX has us taking T-Rob at #2 and John Jenkins at #31. I like that draft.

nbadraft has us taking Robinson and Kevin Jones (?).

Of course on their mock Wroten is still on the board when we pick at #31 and I think it's fair to say (given our crappy back up SG situation and need for some oomph off the bench) he would be a much better fit.

[bobcats3wallace]

DX has us taking T-Rob at #2 and John Jenkins at #31. I like that draft.

nbadraft has us taking Robinson and Kevin Jones (?).

Of course on their mock Wroten is still on the board when we pick at #31 and I think it's fair to say (given our crappy back up SG situation and need for some oomph off the bench) he would be a much better fit.

Yeah I think it would be a pretty safe assumption that if Wroten were still there, we would probably take him. However I doubt that Wroten will still be there at 31, I think he gets taking in the 20s somewhere. Plus why would we take another PF in Kevin Jones if we just took Thomas Robinson?

I haven't decided yet if I would be more pleased with Jenkins or Lamb at the 31st pick. Both are prolific shooters and would help this team, but I'll safe this talk for the other talk. I would be very happy with a Thomas Robinson and Jenkins/Lamb draft though. I would be even happier if we could swing a S&T of DJ to say Dallas and were able to draft Quincy Miller. I think Miller has the best potential to become a star outside of the top 5 picks. The guy has the potential be absolutely unstoppable on offense as he has shown the ability to do it all. He will no doubt take some time to develop, but he reminds me so much of a Kevin Durant in his offensive abilities. The key will be for him to polish his game but I think that he would be well worth the risk if we could obtain a pick in late teens somehow.

Another thing I think will be interesting to discuss is about Bradley Beal. I have seen all over the place about Beals ability to swing both ways at the guard position. What does everyone think of that? I don't know enough about him to know about his passing abilities but this could be interesting. Does this make him a good fit next to Kemba to try and help initiate the offense? I know he is a lot like Hendo in that his handles are not the best, but does this also give Beal added value in that his first year he could come in behind Hendo and get minutes both 2guard and point? Could Beal be like a James Harden or Monu off the bench? I just have a sneaking suspicion that Cho is going to key in on Robinson and Beal.

[fatlever]

slam and sachmo and i have discussed things and we decided it would be fun to create a specific thread dedicated to each of the four major draft prospects (beal, drummond, MKG and robinson). we can use those thread to post videos, links, workout news, combine results of each guy as well as some specific talk about each player. this should help with the discussion. i dont think we imagined this thread would hit 48 pages in 3 days. its hard to keep up. that being said, this thread will remain open for general discussion about the players as well.

[fatlever]

does harrison barnes deserve his own thread? first to 3 votes (yes or no) wins.

[doc.end]

no
on second thought yes, because otherwise the general thread would be full of him (I mean some still want us to pick him)

YES and YES fo Lamb as well

[dmutombo321]

^Yeah, why not.

Right now Barnes is a 5-7 guy.

I've maintained all along the pre-draft workouts are what will make or break Barnes. His stock is at an all time low right now but if he dominates in individual workouts and shows a floor game better suited for the NBA (or if he stinks it up) I could see him going anywhere from 2-12.

[doc.end]

IMHO the Wizards Robinson story sounds like a polite answer to journalist inquiry (from bot sides) and probably as an attempt to make us uneasy to potentiall trade with Cavs letting them skip the Wizards and choose before them. They are expected to pick the same positions (Beal/MKG/maybe even Barnes).

[fatlever]

Honestly I do not think we will be a serious contender with Biz playing Center for his entire career. I think we would be better off letting him play PF and get minutes at Center sometimes. Obviously until we get a center I am fine with Biz playing it because we have no better options.

to be really honest (and i hate to say this because biz is hands down my favorite bobcat), biz is probably best served in a bench role on a good team. i envision biz being the first big off the bench as a guy who give you 15-30 minutes a night playing both power forward and center with high energy. obviously we dont have that luxury right now, so he starts. now if biz magically finds the fountain of offense and gets a new pair of hands this summer, then all bets are off.

point being, we shouldn't make this pick based on how we think a player will fit with biz. i dont think we are going anywhere in the playoffs with a biz/drummond or biz/robinson frontline unless our 1-3 spots are all studs.

if drummond is our pick and turns into a starter, then i think we need to find a mobile offensive power forward who can stretch the defense to pair next to him. if robinson is the pick and turns into a starter then i think we need to find a bigger center to pair next to him. both cases i envision biz being the 3rd big but still getting heavy minutes.

[fatlever]

thats two yes votes for barnes. he needs one more "yes" or three more "no"s

[fatlever]

IMHO the Wizards Robinson story sounds like a polite answer to journalist inquiry (from bot sides) and probably as an attempt to make us uneasy to potentiall trade with Cavs letting them skip the Wizards and choose before them. They are expected to pick the same positions (Beal/MKG/maybe even Barnes).

i agree. i wouldn't lose one second of sleep over that comment. every player would want to play for his home city. thats natural. despite what ford said, i would be completely shocked if any of the top 6 players on our board turned down a chance to workout here.

[Badd_Intentions]

Yes. At this point he is worth discussing

[-Ian-]

Have you guys read this hangtime blog?

Jordan needs to make this shot

One poster commented:

The bobcats don’t need another first pick and they don’t necessarily need a superstar either. Jordan already got his opportunity to pick these and he squandered them. The bobcats need to build a team with players that know their role and execute well. Jordan doesn’t know what this means because he’s always been the superstar that lead his team to victory.

Bobcats need to take a look at teams that do well with players that know their roles and coaches that can execute with what they have (see Jazz and Nuggets). Having the #1 pick is not the key to turning a team around…picking smart players that do their part and grow as a group are the keys to success. Bobcats will never go anywhere if think they need a first pick to make progress.

[fatlever]

Have you guys read this hangtime blog?

Jordan needs to make this shot

One poster commented:

The bobcats don’t need another first pick and they don’t necessarily need a superstar either. Jordan already got his opportunity to pick these and he squandered them. The bobcats need to build a team with players that know their role and execute well. Jordan doesn’t know what this means because he’s always been the superstar that lead his team to victory.

Bobcats need to take a look at teams that do well with players that know their roles and coaches that can execute with what they have (see Jazz and Nuggets). Having the #1 pick is not the key to turning a team around…picking smart players that do their part and grow as a group are the keys to success. Bobcats will never go anywhere if think they need a first pick to make progress.

ian, i reposted this link on the "trade the #2 pick thread"