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The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread

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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#701 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:55 am

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BrotherDave wrote:We drafted Zeller while Noel, McLemore and even Len were all available. Technically, we passed on all those guys. Just like we passed on Drummond, Lillard, etc last year.

I mean, I'm gonna put on my GaZeller hat and root for him like everybody else but I have no faith that we will draft well anymore, even in a stacked draft.


Hindsight is great, huh?

Why would we take Lillard, who dominated D2, when we already had Kemba, who dominated in the Big East and all the way through to the NCAA Championship? Lillard was never considered a top 5 pick, the Blazers gambled and won. And despite being a rookie he's only 2 months younger than Kemba.

All those guys you mentioned went 5th or lower (all the way to 9th for Drummond), so anywhere from 4 to 8 teams passed on them; and aside from Len, their slides didn't stop right after our pick. It's not like we were the only team that passed on some sure-fire, franchise-altering talents. Otherwise, guys like McLemore and Drummond would have been taken right after us, not sliding to the bottom half of the top 10.

Wiggins, on the other hand, will not be passed on by anyone unless Randle, Parker or whoever has a crazy season. We draft based on BPA, and while Zeller had fallen in the eyes of the media that doesn't mean he did to the teams (we know that both the Suns and Sixers wanted him). I didn't like the pick either, but if the rumors about Cho from earlier today have any credence, Cho is risking his career on this pick. If he has enough faith in Zeller to put so much on the line, then I think I can get behind the pick.

Now, off to convince myself that we just got the next LMA. 'Tis the season of optimism.

Forget hindsight, you can go find my posts. I loved Drummond and thought he should have been the pick. I was very high on Lillard after seeing his Kings' workout vid. Yeah, Kemba and Lillard on the same team would have been a conundrum but it doesn't matter b/c the Bobcats should be drafting for TALENT and not need. I don't know how anybody can honestly believe that we draft for BPA and not for need. All we have ever done is fill needs.

What happens if Wiggins isn't assertive enough? And Parker has a stress fracture? And Randle tears an ACL? We will probably reach 5 spots too high for Marcus Smart is my guess because "he's a hard worker." :lol:


I definitely think MKG was the BPA. Don't the Kings take the misses out of their workout videos? :lol: Cho said himself he doesn't like "one-on-zero" workouts, and that he'd rather have guys compete. He had MKG and Beal compete against one another last year and apparently MKG showed him something. I don't know if you can truly say Lillard was the BPA when his only real tape came against lesser competition; and Drummond is a fair argument but there were a huge question marks about his work ethic. MKG was a monster his freshman year, a key cog in a national championship team, and for all intents and purposes had a pretty damn good year as the youngest player in the league. Regardless, BPA is a subjective term that is difficult to assess without hindsight anyway; but the consensus was that we made the right pick.

With Zeller though, I understand the doubts over whether he was the BPA. The only guys we actually brought in were some, and not all, of the top bigs (granted, a few of the top guys turned us down), but I don't think Cho would make such a risky move without being certain he was the best player on the board. I agree with the majority, in that, both McLemore and Noel (and maybe Len) were objectively better picks, but I don't get paid for this stuff. Frankly, only time will tell whether Zeller was the right choice; all the projections, speculations, and Sheridan are moot now.

Finally, I just think you're comparing apples to oranges with this and next year's draft. This time last year it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that this would be a weak draft; whereas next year's looks like the best one since 2003. The top 3-7 guys are being hailed as franchise changers, which can obviously change, but that is a designation none of this year's prospects received (and if any did it was Shabazz). They're called "can't miss" for a reason, and with this year there just wasn't a guy that fit that description. If Bennett can miss the combine, have shoulder surgery, and just be a tweener, yet still go number one; then next year's crop of superior prospects can overcome similar injuries or a lack of assertiveness.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#702 » by MPM » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:54 am

And with the first pick in the 2014 draft the Charlotte ChoNets select Wang Zhelin. :D

Wow. Came home half in the bag, saw Cody Zeller, and freaked. Coming to terms with it this morning. Gotta give it to Cho - guy has a nutsack. This is his career. I figure Zeller will start and show well for us. 3-4 years from now? Hmmm.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#703 » by BeesWax » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:48 am

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Can't wait. :D


As long as we are in the Top 4 we'll be sitting pretty!


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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#704 » by -Ian- » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:56 am

I'm not disappointed with the Zeller pick since I kinda saw it when his name came out from Chad Ford's tweet. Let's just all hope he'll be a better player in the pro than in college.

For me the 2 positive things that came out of this draft:
1. Kemba seems to like the pick
2. MKG's still with us! (FU, Sheridan!)
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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#705 » by BeesWax » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:01 am

We should bring in CJ Leslie and Seth Curry. Both undrafted guys who have as much chance of being really good as Zeller does.

Zeller was one of those high floor, low ceiling guys. He is just McRoberts with slightly better jumping and worse dribbling and passing. We must have really liked what he did for us last year to bring in a younger version of him.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#706 » by JDuaneWayne » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:42 am

How many posts are you going to keep ripping on the guy? McRobert has a half of a good season and now he warrants comparing at top 5 pick to? Their games are not in the least bit similar. I'm tired of these lazy comparisons like so and so is white so lets compare him to this white guy. Cody has crazy athleticism. I can see him scoring 12-14 PPG next year by simply being able to get up and down the floor, at worst draw contact and get to the line.

You don't like the pick fine, but stop being like Bonnell and taking your ball and going home. All of you would have been ecstatic to have Cody at the start of the season last year, now he's chopped liver, Charlotte fans for ya.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#707 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:08 pm

JDuaneWayne wrote:How many posts are you going to keep ripping on the guy? McRobert has a half of a good season and now he warrants comparing at top 5 pick to? Their games are not in the least bit similar. I'm tired of these lazy comparisons like so and so is white so lets compare him to this white guy. Cody has crazy athleticism. I can see him scoring 12-14 PPG next year by simply being able to get up and down the floor, at worst draw contact and get to the line.

You don't like the pick fine, but stop being like Bonnell and taking your ball and going home. All of you would have been ecstatic to have Cody at the start of the season last year, now he's chopped liver, Charlotte fans for ya.


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Post#708 » by Snidely FC » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:25 pm

While I was shocked we passed on him, look at Noel's legs. I don't mean his knee, I mean his q-tip legs. No way this guy plays starters minutes in this league over a number of years without repeatedly injuring those legs.
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Post#709 » by countryboi » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:41 pm

the suns medically red flagged Noel and thats why they passed on him. if its good enough for the suns is good enough for me.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#710 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:45 pm

countryboi wrote:the suns medically red flagged Noel and thats why they passed on him. if its good enough for the suns is good enough for me.


And the Suns have the best medical staff in the NBA.
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Post#711 » by JDuaneWayne » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:50 pm

Snidely FC wrote:While I was shocked we passed on him, look at Noel's legs. I don't mean his knee, I mean his q-tip legs. No way this guy plays starters minutes in this league over a number of years without repeatedly injuring those legs.


Good nickname. Q-Tips Noel
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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#712 » by countryboi » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:09 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
countryboi wrote:the suns medically red flagged Noel and thats why they passed on him. if its good enough for the suns is good enough for me.


And the Suns have the best medical staff in the NBA.


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Post#713 » by BobsBuddy » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:44 pm

:meditate: :meditate: :dontknow: :confused: :beer: :thumbsup: Everybody needs to calm down and Listen.
All the talk on Radio and TV makes for good ratings. Last night answered some question's we all wanted answered.

1. Is Cho actually influencing the decision's the Bobcats/Hornets Management are making on Drafts/Free Agents?
YES, Zellar was a Cho decision based on Computer/scout input.. This team needs Stability first and to get rid of distractions in the locker room. AT #4 everybody expected us to take McLenmore or Len.
DID Y'all KNOW that neither one tried out with us. Len was hurt and Mclenmore demanded an individual tryout without any 1 on 1 or 3 on 3 drills and when we said no he refused to try out..This confirmed a "me" mentality. not how can I help this team.
Zellar was the only one who came to Charlotte,agreed to a Team tryout,went out to dinner with the team and coachs,is a solid pick both physically and mentally. THIS is a great pick to pair with Kemba.
2.Are we sticking to MJ/Cho plan to rebuild slowly? YES KW,(HENDO or FA?),MKG,Zellar,BIZ with backups Sess,Gordon,JT,McBob and Haywood is an improvement even if we don't resign Mully and /or Hendo
3. Are we postioning ourselves to win more games each year we rebuild.YES 7 in 2012, 21 in 2013, 25-30 in 2014?
4.How about the 2014 superclass draft? YES We want to stay below 30 wins to allow us "the chance"to pick a top 3 pick in 2014. and we have a good chance to have another 2014 1st round pick(s)
5.Are we effectively managing our Cap Space? YES and when Gordons contract expires in 2014 and we amensity TT last year of contract,we will be positioned to add 2 strong FA .
6. When will we make playoffs? 2015 and should go deeper in 2016 and maybe win Eastern conference 2017.

The Bobcats now have in place a management and coaching structure to make this happen and Cody Zellar will be a part of it. :wink:
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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#714 » by Diop » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:14 pm

jdm3 wrote:We should bring in CJ Leslie and Seth Curry. Both undrafted guys who have as much chance of being really good as Zeller does.

Leslie has apparently gone to the Knicks, looks like they sign the players now for tryouts, probably just for the summer league.

And we got this dude.

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Post#715 » by Diop » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:19 pm

I would like to see us give Dellavedova a shot, he's not the most athletic otherwise he would have been drafted.

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Post#716 » by HornetJail » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:20 pm

Troy Daniels is a great three-point shooter. Kinda wish we'd gone after Seth Curry, but hey this isn't bad either.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#717 » by truwizfan4evr » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:28 pm

So are you guys happy with drafting Cody Zeller?
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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#718 » by BeesWax » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:30 pm

BobsBuddy wrote::meditate: :meditate: :dontknow: :confused: :beer: :thumbsup: Everybody needs to calm down and Listen.
All the talk on Radio and TV makes for good ratings. Last night answered some question's we all wanted answered.

1. Is Cho actually influencing the decision's the Bobcats/Hornets Management are making on Drafts/Free Agents?
YES, Zellar was a Cho decision based on Computer/scout input.. This team needs Stability first and to get rid of distractions in the locker room. AT #4 everybody expected us to take McLenmore or Len.
DID Y'all KNOW that neither one tried out with us. Len was hurt and Mclenmore demanded an individual tryout without any 1 on 1 or 3 on 3 drills and when we said no he refused to try out..This confirmed a "me" mentality. not how can I help this team.
Zellar was the only one who came to Charlotte,agreed to a Team tryout,went out to dinner with the team and coachs,is a solid pick both physically and mentally. THIS is a great pick to pair with Kemba.
2.Are we sticking to MJ/Cho plan to rebuild slowly? YES KW,(HENDO or FA?),MKG,Zellar,BIZ with backups Sess,Gordon,JT,McBob and Haywood is an improvement even if we don't resign Mully and /or Hendo
3. Are we postioning ourselves to win more games each year we rebuild.YES 7 in 2012, 21 in 2013, 25-30 in 2014?
4.How about the 2014 superclass draft? YES We want to stay below 30 wins to allow us "the chance"to pick a top 3 pick in 2014. and we have a good chance to have another 2014 1st round pick(s)
5.Are we effectively managing our Cap Space? YES and when Gordons contract expires in 2014 and we amensity TT last year of contract,we will be positioned to add 2 strong FA .
6. When will we make playoffs? 2015 and should go deeper in 2016 and maybe win Eastern conference 2017.

The Bobcats now have in place a management and coaching structure to make this happen and Cody Zellar will be a part of it. :wink:


Of course he worked out. What guy that is ranked to be picked 9 or later wouldn't work out for a top five team. Surprise surprise he came to a team that was way ahead of his actual value range. We will win less games next year because we are not doing anything to try to get better.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Draft Night Thread 

Post#719 » by BeesWax » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:34 pm

JDuaneWayne wrote:How many posts are you going to keep ripping on the guy? McRobert has a half of a good season and now he warrants comparing at top 5 pick to? Their games are not in the least bit similar. I'm tired of these lazy comparisons like so and so is white so lets compare him to this white guy. Cody has crazy athleticism. I can see him scoring 12-14 PPG next year by simply being able to get up and down the floor, at worst draw contact and get to the line.

You don't like the pick fine, but stop being like Bonnell and taking your ball and going home. All of you would have been ecstatic to have Cody at the start of the season last year, now he's chopped liver, Charlotte fans for ya.


It is not lazy. Cody has more athletic ability like I said but McRoberts is more skilled on offense. Neither likes contact and both tend to slowly drift away from the basket over the course of a physical game. I would not have wanted him last year in the top 5 either. He is value around ten but does not have enough upside to a top 5 pick. It was a lazy pick of someone who somewhat mimics something we already had.
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Post#720 » by catch20two » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:59 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:So are you guys happy with drafting Cody Zeller?


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