Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

EwingSweatsALot · Post #701 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 3:17 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ytaDq3p7qg[/youtube]

Why do they play Orlando Summer League in a church gym?

MKGsMotor · Post #702 » by **MKGsMotor** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 3:23 am

jdm3 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I say name it remember what Zeller did in SL.

Don't make me remember that. Jeff Taylor was the leader of the team as a go-to scorer

He put up 16/9 and everyone blew up about it his first year. Until these guys are really defended we need to stay calm. I think Frank is a fine player and will be good compared to other rookies. My issue has been that he is a short term look and will steadily fall down the list, IMO, as the seasons go on.

Thats absolutely my problem with the pick. Hes going to be decent but was such an underwhelming pick for an underwhelming franchise.

driveandkick · Post #703 » by **driveandkick** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 3:26 am

I'm already confident in saying he's the most well rounded offensive player we've ever drafted. Not as much of an ode to Frank as it is a testament to how we really haven't been good at drafting haha. But he looked good today. Think he's gonna be a nice player

gothehornets · Post #704 » by **gothehornets** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 4:00 am

driveandkick wrote:I'm already confident in saying he's the most well rounded offensive player we've ever drafted. Not as much of an ode to Frank as it is a testament to how we really haven't been good at drafting haha. But he looked good today. Think he's gonna be a nice player

is he better than cody zeller you think? honest question

countryboi · Post #705 » by **countryboi** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 4:44 am

gothehornets wrote:
driveandkick wrote:I'm already confident in saying he's the most well rounded offensive player we've ever drafted. Not as much of an ode to Frank as it is a testament to how we really haven't been good at drafting haha. But he looked good today. Think he's gonna be a nice player

is he better than cody zeller you think? honest question

He is better than cody was at this point in his NBA career...they said cody was polished but he was really super raw

Jstock12 · Post #706 » by **Jstock12** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 4:45 am

Let me preface this post by asking not to take it as a player comparison.

It's just that from these SL highlights Frank Kaminsky really reminds me of Larry Bird. Not in the sense that he could be as good as him, but more to do with how he moves. The manner of his moves and gathering for the shot are Bird-esque. Now, you never know when evaluating talent, he might eventually become much better than anyone thinks he could. So what if he has short arms or isn't strong. Bird wasn't much of an athlete either, and wasn't even picked TOP5 in his own draft class.

Liver_Pooty · Post #707 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 4:55 am

Zeller would also be graduating at the same time as Frank. Zeller is WAY better than Frank defensively, it's not close, but Frank is much more smooth on the offensive end.

Eoghan · Post #708 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 5:00 am

All ready AL Jefferson like in the defense depth.

NCHeels2008 · Post #709 » by **NCHeels2008** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 6:08 am

Kaminsky reminds me a bit of Diaw on offense (wayy worse on defense) but great vision, decent post moves (can take advantage of a mismatch), keeps the ball moving and great range

olive_triangurl · Post #710 » by **olive_triangurl** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 8:22 am

I hope Frank ends up being as dominant as Dirk.
Most importantly I hope NBAk216 give him excellent shooting ratings etc.
Could Frank win Rookie Of The Year?

LamarMatic7 · Post #711 » by **LamarMatic7** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 8:57 am

Jstock12 wrote:Let me preface this post by asking not to take it as a player comparison.

It's just that from these SL highlights Frank Kaminsky really reminds me of Larry Bird. Not in the sense that he could be as good as him, but more to do with how he moves. The manner of his moves and gathering for the shot are Bird-esque. Now, you never know when evaluating talent, he might eventually become much better than anyone thinks he could. So what if he has short arms or isn't strong. Bird wasn't much of an athlete either, and wasn't even picked TOP5 in his own draft class.

Bird might have had the best court awareness in basketball history (probably it's either him or Magic). He didn't need to be all that fast since he could think and make decisions that much faster than anybody else.

That's quite the basketball IQ for Kaminsky to reach.

LamarMatic7 · Post #712 » by **LamarMatic7** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 8:58 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ytaDq3p7qg[/youtube]

I can talk myself into a Ryan Anderson...

olive_triangurl · Post #713 » by **olive_triangurl** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 9:54 am

Who is likely to have the better rookie season, Frank or Poorzingis?
Every Hornets fan will name their newborn baby Frank if he wins Rookie Of The Year.
Its such an easy name to say.

Amateur Wannabe · Post #714 » by **Amateur Wannabe** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 10:08 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:Let me preface this post by asking not to take it as a player comparison.

It's just that from these SL highlights Frank Kaminsky really reminds me of Larry Bird. Not in the sense that he could be as good as him, but more to do with how he moves. The manner of his moves and gathering for the shot are Bird-esque. Now, you never know when evaluating talent, he might eventually become much better than anyone thinks he could. So what if he has short arms or isn't strong. Bird wasn't much of an athlete either, and wasn't even picked TOP5 in his own draft class.

Bird might have had the best court awareness in basketball history (probably it's either him or Magic). He didn't need to be all that fast since he could think and make decisions that much faster than anybody else.

That's quite the basketball IQ for Kaminsky to reach.

Imho it's a common misconception that Larry Bird was sub-par athletic. He was nowhere near all time great athletes like Dominique Wilkins or MJ, but that dude wasn't slow or weak. If we had a time machine and managed to put pre-injury Larry next to Frank, I guess he would just run circles around the Tank.

And now about Frank - yes, he most probably won't be 15 pts 10 reb player in the NBA, once people start defending him well. But, on that sweet stroke alone, he can hang around in this NBA for 15 years. I mean, they bring players like Pero Antić now, just because they're tall and don't completely suck from behind the arc. Frank is not just a good shooter - his form seems impeccable, and he can hit it pretty fast and contested. There is a rather strong possibility he wouldn't translate his interior game (midrange and post) to the NBA, but who cares actually? If he can keep that threes going in, he's a great fit for this team in particular, because of MKG's notorious long rage inability. Guess he'll add some of much needed IQ too (McBob anybody

)

My only concern about Frank is his defense. He really tries his best, but is afraid to take contact even from smaller players. Hopefully that can be taken care of somehow.

olive_triangurl · Post #715 » by **olive_triangurl** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 10:13 am

Yeah I guess we drafted Frank because our trey-shooting is worst in the NBA, and because big men don't live in the post in this era anyway.
And even if Frank's defense isn't great, we are a great defensive team and will still be very good defensively.
Frank will shoot a lot of treys most likely, so we'll probably only need to add one more trey-shooter to go straight to the top of the trey-shooting rankings.

LamarMatic7 · Post #716 » by **LamarMatic7** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 10:25 am

Amateur Wannabe wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:Let me preface this post by asking not to take it as a player comparison.

It's just that from these SL highlights Frank Kaminsky really reminds me of Larry Bird. Not in the sense that he could be as good as him, but more to do with how he moves. The manner of his moves and gathering for the shot are Bird-esque. Now, you never know when evaluating talent, he might eventually become much better than anyone thinks he could. So what if he has short arms or isn't strong. Bird wasn't much of an athlete either, and wasn't even picked TOP5 in his own draft class.

Bird might have had the best court awareness in basketball history (probably it's either him or Magic). He didn't need to be all that fast since he could think and make decisions that much faster than anybody else.

That's quite the basketball IQ for Kaminsky to reach.

Imho it's a common misconception that Larry Bird was sub-par athletic. He was nowhere near all time great athletes like Dominique Wilkins or MJ, but that dude wasn't slow or weak. If we had a time machine and managed to put pre-injury Larry next to Frank, I guess he would just run circles around the Tank.

Also very true.

DY_nasty · Post #717 » by **DY_nasty** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 10:26 am

Just in time to catch comparison to other white players lol

Post #718 » by **BigSlam** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 12:23 pm

How long is it going to take for the rest of the NBA to figure out that he either catch and shoots from range or pump fakes then goes left 95% of the time and then starts stopping him?

That purple patch in the 3rd was special though. Pity he sucked in the 1st, 2nd and 4th.

Beauty stroke though. So effortless. He's like a super charged Brezec with BBIQ.

Just as disgusting on D as well.

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Post #719 » by **yosemiteben** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 12:31 pm

What we need is for defenses to have to pay attention to Frank on the perimeter. His 3PT% will be more important than his PPG IMO.

KembaWalker · Post #720 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 12:49 pm

BigSlam wrote:How long is it going to take for the rest of the NBA to figure out that he either catch and shoots from range or pump fakes then goes left 95% of the time and then starts stopping him?

You don't exactly have your whole NBA repertoire figured out by day 1 of summer league. The only takeaway that mattered from that game was that we can see he has legitimate 3pt range. and that is really the only question about Frank that the summer league is capable of answering, so everyone should really be satisfied at this point. summer league is 75% scrubs running around like chickens with their heads cut off playing a system they've practiced for 3 days with a bunch of guys they barely know.