We "Don't" Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread

Hornet Mania · Post #701 » by **Hornet Mania** » Thu Mar 8, 2018 6:12 pm

Yep, the summer will be key for Monk. I hope he isn't discouraged by the lack of opportunity this year.

He needs to hone his skills (get that 3pt% up) and come into summer league/training camp as a guy ready to show he's made a leap.

countryboi · Post #702 » by **countryboi** » Thu Mar 8, 2018 6:18 pm

Hornet Mania wrote:Yep, the summer will be key for Monk. I hope he isn't discouraged by the lack of opportunity this year.

He needs to hone his skills (get that 3pt% up) and come into summer league/training camp as a guy ready to show he's made a leap.

Kelly Oubre had a cross roads like this last season after not playing a min in game 7 i think. he took it as a challenge and has been playing much better this year, I expect similar things from Monk.

arthy704 · Post #703 » by **arthy704** » Thu Mar 8, 2018 8:27 pm

Monk is going to be just fine, give him the summer and next year he will be ready to play and be effcient scorer. Monk is only 19 coming into this year is well ahead of the pack in skillset. Just need to learn how to play d in the nba and make right plays and stay motivated and his breakout season will happen midway through next year.

Post #704 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Mar 8, 2018 10:24 pm

Good call on the Oubre comp for Monk.

Robot Rock · Post #705 » by **Robot Rock** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 2:32 am

Read on Twitter

Post #706 » by **Diop** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 5:04 am

Watch on YouTube

I'm so happy to see this. I was so bitter and twisted, pessimistic about another Hornets draft choice that I was ready to see him bust.
So hope he can prove to be the real deal, some nice drives and decisions.

I also don't think its a coincidence that he did a lot of these plays with Zeller, he knows how to make it easier for the guard. None of this half assed screening to try and find the best position for yourself, he sets its properly to help the guard then scrambles for position.

Robot Rock · Post #707 » by **Robot Rock** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 2:40 pm

HoopsMalone wrote:
catch20two wrote:
HoopsMalone wrote:Lou is almost as bad on defense as he is good on offense. And Lou is very, very good on offense.

Monk is just like Lou without any of the offense.

Without any of the offense? Lol. You gotta be trolling or just extremely impatient and unfamiliar with young players more often than not taking some time to get adapted to the NBA game.

Do you not remember the couple of 20pt games Monk had earlier in the season before Batum returned? LouWill didn’t have a single 20pt game until his 3rd season in the NBA.

I'm trying to think if any player has ever been this horrible in his rookie year and gone on to even become a valuable role player on a team... He's probably the worst player in the NBA this year...

I can't wait for people to come back to this page in this thread and laugh like you can here: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1122041&start=840

Robot Rock · Post #708 » by **Robot Rock** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 2:46 pm

I think "Monk is probably the worst player in the NBA this year..." will go on to become the new "I'd take Jimmer over Kemba at this point."

BlackOutBuzz · Post #709 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:18 pm

Monk may never catch up to Mitchell but he's definitely no Vonleh either. I remain impressed with his vision and I think he'll reign in the shot selection as he becomes a more integral part of the rotation.

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Robot Rock · Post #710 » by **Robot Rock** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:46 pm

...if he's kept

HoopsMalone · Post #711 » by **HoopsMalone** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:18 am

countryboi wrote:
Hornet Mania wrote:Yep, the summer will be key for Monk. I hope he isn't discouraged by the lack of opportunity this year.

He needs to hone his skills (get that 3pt% up) and come into summer league/training camp as a guy ready to show he's made a leap.

Kelly Oubre had a cross roads like this last season after not playing a min in game 7 i think. he took it as a challenge and has been playing much better this year, I expect similar things from Monk.

"better" but kelly oubre is still not good

HoopsMalone · Post #712 » by **HoopsMalone** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:31 am

Hornet Mania wrote:It's been mentioned a lot on Hornets telecasts (mostly be Dell) that Monk will improve noticeably in the coming years simply because he added some muscle and can finish better through contact. I agree with that, but I also think a second unspoken factor will help him a lot as he moves into vet status: the referees will begin treating him more fairly.

The same thing happened to Kemba, Cody and MKG as rookies. Flying into the teeth of the defense, absolutely positively beyond any doubt being fouled multiple times on the way to the hoop...and no call, over and over. Officiating imo is the most BS part of the NBA, there is no question that the refs officiate Lebron/Harden different than Kemba/Lillard and that they make calls in favor of vets and overwhelmingly against rookies for reasons having nothing to do with what actually just happened on the floor. It's a convoluted and totally arbitrary tier system where some stars gets favored over others and age beats youth cuz reasons. I despise it. It's not a new phenomenon, it's been known for decades, but it never ceases to piss me off. Even when it's other teams rookies, it's just stupid and adds a pointless handicap to young players who already are a bit over their heads.

Next year, or perhaps the year after, once the officials subconsciously think "oh, I know this guy, seen him a couple times before" Monk's drives to the basket will magically draw more calls and some other teenager will get jobbed.

You can thank david stern for that. He determined the best way to line everyones pockets was to call touch fouls on Jordan, wilkins, whoever so they could average fancy stats and be viewed as SUPERSTARS like larger than life status

Braggins · Post #713 » by **Braggins** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:13 am

Robot Rock wrote:
HoopsMalone wrote:
catch20two wrote:Without any of the offense? Lol. You gotta be trolling or just extremely impatient and unfamiliar with young players more often than not taking some time to get adapted to the NBA game.

Do you not remember the couple of 20pt games Monk had earlier in the season before Batum returned? LouWill didn’t have a single 20pt game until his 3rd season in the NBA.

I'm trying to think if any player has ever been this horrible in his rookie year and gone on to even become a valuable role player on a team... He's probably the worst player in the NBA this year...

I can't wait for people to come back to this page in this thread and laugh like you can here: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1122041&start=840

Oh wow. Reading a few pages of that thread was fun.

I also noticed one of the most interesting realgm user stats I think I've ever seen. The "captaincrunk" character has over 7k posts with not a single and1. How is that possible?

HoopsMalone · Post #714 » by **HoopsMalone** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:33 am

DY_nasty wrote:
also, handles at the point guard position don't ever really improve significantly enough to change the type of player someone is. you can tighten it up, you can get better footwork, but outside of lowry i can't think of any other point guard to improve their handle so much that it changed the way that they played.

Uh, Steph Curry???

Braggins · Post #715 » by **Braggins** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:43 am

"Malik Monk is the next Steph Curry." - HoopsMalone

DY_nasty · Post #716 » by **DY_nasty** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:45 am

HoopsMalone wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:
also, handles at the point guard position don't ever really improve significantly enough to change the type of player someone is. you can tighten it up, you can get better footwork, but outside of lowry i can't think of any other point guard to improve their handle so much that it changed the way that they played.

Uh, Steph Curry???

curry's handles always been legit lol. but when you grow into arguably the best off the dribble shot of all time and one of the best at finishing in the lane as well, defenders gonna be a lot more jumpy than usual. plus its not like he's out here running constant ISOs and getting for a full 48 either. the court he plays on is one of the most stressful to defend in the league

i really think people got this idea that youre handles ain't crazy unless you're dropping people. you don't get chased 5 on 1 for years in college hoops as a ball dominant player without having premier skill with the ball

BlackOutBuzz · Post #717 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:18 pm

Braggins wrote:
I also noticed one of the most interesting realgm user stats I think I've ever seen. The "captaincrunk" character has over 7k posts with not a single and1. How is that possible?

There were days before And1.

Dark days.

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catch20two · Post #718 » by **catch20two** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:08 pm

Just realizing that KingofSting used to be Kemba2Hendo looking back at the CaptainCrunk posts. Yea those were some dark dark days.

BeesWax · Post #719 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:20 am

DY_nasty wrote:
HoopsMalone wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:
also, handles at the point guard position don't ever really improve significantly enough to change the type of player someone is. you can tighten it up, you can get better footwork, but outside of lowry i can't think of any other point guard to improve their handle so much that it changed the way that they played.

Uh, Steph Curry???

curry's handles always been legit lol. but when you grow into arguably the best off the dribble shot of all time and one of the best at finishing in the lane as well, defenders gonna be a lot more jumpy than usual. plus its not like he's out here running constant ISOs and getting for a full 48 either. the court he plays on is one of the most stressful to defend in the league

i really think people got this idea that youre handles ain't crazy unless you're dropping people. you don't get chased 5 on 1 for years in college hoops as a ball dominant player without having premier skill with the ball

Curry was rough his freshman year of college. He didn't run point at Davidson because they had Richards and because he couldn't dribble well. He mostly ran of screens and moved to get open shots. He developed into the guy who got chased 5 on 1 over his time at Davidson.

HoopsMalone · Post #720 » by **HoopsMalone** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:39 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
HoopsMalone wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:
also, handles at the point guard position don't ever really improve significantly enough to change the type of player someone is. you can tighten it up, you can get better footwork, but outside of lowry i can't think of any other point guard to improve their handle so much that it changed the way that they played.

Uh, Steph Curry???

curry's handles always been legit lol. but when you grow into arguably the best off the dribble shot of all time and one of the best at finishing in the lane as well, defenders gonna be a lot more jumpy than usual. plus its not like he's out here running constant ISOs and getting for a full 48 either. the court he plays on is one of the most stressful to defend in the league

i really think people got this idea that youre handles ain't crazy unless you're dropping people. you don't get chased 5 on 1 for years in college hoops as a ball dominant player without having premier skill with the ball

Nah, Steph Curry didn't have handles. That was the main concern with him and why he went as late as he did. He played SG all through college because they had a really good PG. No one believed Curry could play the PG that is why he came back for his senior season to prove he could play the position. The reviews were mixed with him at the PG spot and of course he got injured so that didn't help at all in terms of learning or improvement.

It wasnt until he spent a few seasons with one of the most rigorous ball handling training that he developed into what you see today. Curry has improved as much if not more than anyone I've ever seen in terms of ball handling.