Re: Secret Sauce: The Terry Rozier Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:37 pm
56 players are averaging 20 or more right now. Insane! Terry types just aren't needed right now.
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fatlever wrote:like the Bucks.
And I know Kyle Lowry is getting older and having a bad year, but I wholeheartedly disagree that Terry would start over him in miami. Lowry brings leadership, intangibles and defense well beyond what Terry can provide to that team. Plus Terry is a rotten point guard.
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fatlever wrote:I agree with many on Twitter who are saying the deal with Toronto, which I assume would look like McDaniels and Terry for Gary Trent and whatever, then we turn around and resign Trent to 25 million over the summer, that's not a Direction I want us to go.
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We also have to give up a first round pick for the right to overpay Trent in the summer? They're probably going to lose him for nothing. They get to rent two rotation players for their playoff run. Uhh!JMAC3 wrote:fatlever wrote:I agree with many on Twitter who are saying the deal with Toronto, which I assume would look like McDaniels and Terry for Gary Trent and whatever, then we turn around and resign Trent to 25 million over the summer, that's not a Direction I want us to go.
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I actually don't think Terry would be involved in the deal with Toronto,
My guess would be Oubre/McDaniels and Nuggets first for Trent. Then we ship Terry off in another deal.
It would just be risky that Trent could leave in FA and we gave up assets for nothing just to have a chance at a more expensive Rozier. Trent will get more money than Rozier makes currently.
fatlever wrote:We also have to give up a first round pick for the right to overpay Trent in the summer? They're probably going to lose him for nothing. They get to rent two rotation players for their playoff run. Uhh!JMAC3 wrote:fatlever wrote:I agree with many on Twitter who are saying the deal with Toronto, which I assume would look like McDaniels and Terry for Gary Trent and whatever, then we turn around and resign Trent to 25 million over the summer, that's not a Direction I want us to go.
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I actually don't think Terry would be involved in the deal with Toronto,
My guess would be Oubre/McDaniels and Nuggets first for Trent. Then we ship Terry off in another deal.
It would just be risky that Trent could leave in FA and we gave up assets for nothing just to have a chance at a more expensive Rozier. Trent will get more money than Rozier makes currently.
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fatlever wrote:Pass on Russell
Pass on Lowry... he'd be a great mentor for lamelo, but there's no way he would be happy playing for a bottom feeder team at this point in his career
Clippers always seem to have a ton of hard-working Hustle do everything guards. Not really sure if Terry offers them something they don't get from Jackson, Kennard, Mann, Powell, batum or wall. They have so much depth in that area.
Wizards are intriguing if like you said, they are still delusional about trying to build around the team they have. Terry could probably start in the back court next to Beal since Beal handles most of the offense creation
Same with Mavs.
Main competition Dinwiddie, hardaway,, green, hardy, bullock. Not sure what we'd have to take back though and matching salary.
Suns could definitely use some help considering all their injury problems (crowder and shamet for salary match, plus pick)
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fatlever wrote:for me, its not about terry's contract, ita about his poor fit next to melo. we HAVE to get a plus defender next to melo, who can also shoot 3s. i realize those guys dont grow on trees, but terry/melo backcourt doesnt work. at ome point we need to start building around melo to give him a chance to reach his full potential.
Liver_Pooty wrote:fatlever wrote:for me, its not about terry's contract, ita about his poor fit next to melo. we HAVE to get a plus defender next to melo, who can also shoot 3s. i realize those guys dont grow on trees, but terry/melo backcourt doesnt work. at ome point we need to start building around melo to give him a chance to reach his full potential.
Has there ever been an instance where building around a PG has worked other than Magic Johnson though? Thunder tried with Westbrook, blazers with Lillard, hawks are trying to do it with young but failing. I'm sure it's happened but can't recall.
And yeah I know the blazers and thunder experienced success, but was referring to titles.
Liver_Pooty wrote:fatlever wrote:for me, its not about terry's contract, ita about his poor fit next to melo. we HAVE to get a plus defender next to melo, who can also shoot 3s. i realize those guys dont grow on trees, but terry/melo backcourt doesnt work. at ome point we need to start building around melo to give him a chance to reach his full potential.
Has there ever been an instance where building around a PG has worked other than Magic Johnson though? Thunder tried with Westbrook, blazers with Lillard, hawks are trying to do it with young but failing. I'm sure it's happened but can't recall.
And yeah I know the blazers and thunder experienced success, but was referring to titles.
fatlever wrote:for me, its not about terry's contract, ita about his poor fit next to melo. we HAVE to get a plus defender next to melo, who can also shoot 3s. i realize those guys dont grow on trees, but terry/melo backcourt doesnt work. at ome point we need to start building around melo to give him a chance to reach his full potential.
fatlever wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:fatlever wrote:for me, its not about terry's contract, ita about his poor fit next to melo. we HAVE to get a plus defender next to melo, who can also shoot 3s. i realize those guys dont grow on trees, but terry/melo backcourt doesnt work. at ome point we need to start building around melo to give him a chance to reach his full potential.
Has there ever been an instance where building around a PG has worked other than Magic Johnson though? Thunder tried with Westbrook, blazers with Lillard, hawks are trying to do it with young but failing. I'm sure it's happened but can't recall.
And yeah I know the blazers and thunder experienced success, but was referring to titles.
worked to level of finals or some semi-consistent playoff level? i'm just talking about putting your franchise player in best position to succeed. i'd kill for blazers/lillard level of success.
melo will probably never be good enough to be best player on a finals team. eventually he'll need a 1A guy around him to be that successful/ i question if he will ever play defense, be mature enough to get to that elite/ELITE level. one-way superstars dont carry championship teams, at any position.
to answer your overall question, the a correct response is steph curry.
Chapelchilla wrote:If Terry is the leader he seem to be, I would just keep him and move him to the 6th man spot if we draft and develop a bigger, better defending 2 guard. But, If Lamelo does not like him or his style of play is toxic to the team, I would move him for whatever combo of cap relief, young player or a picks is out there. He is not a must keep or must trade guy as far as I can see. He is just mid tier minutes filler with some scoring ability and not much else.
JMAC3 wrote:fatlever wrote:we HAVE to get a plus defender next to melo, who can also shoot 3s.
Exclude All-star level talents and who are these shooting guards that fit next to LaMelo?