BigSlam wrote:luciano-davidwesley wrote:SWedd523 wrote:Didn't many of us agree that the money he left for was way more than we should pay?
His contract was a time bomb the second he signed it with those knee issues
I think the only thing people disagreed with was not trading him for draft picks a year or two earlier.
No way.
Many, many posters were up in arms because we didn’t pay him the super max and were ok with losing him.
Vanderbilt_Grad - "My on record here - Mitch's offer to Kemba was fair in a coldhearted mathematical sense. There was risk in a big contract given Kemba's age and past knee issues ... and MJ's desire to avoid the tax if not winning is a real thing the team has to consider. If Kemba wasn't going to take that level of pay, then the team was better off committing to a rebuild. I can also see why it would have pissed Kemba off. It wasn't a loyalty offer. It wasn't a show of appreciation. It wasn't a 'take a pay cut so we can sign other great help for you.' Instead he got a 'we see you as worth X instead of Y offer' with no trades or free agent signing in sight to really help the team make it to the next level. I'm fine with the pivot to signing Rozier after Kemba left. Elf has been run off two bad teams. Rubio was too expensive. Lin was way worse than I thought. The team is making a bet that Terry will be a real NBA starter. It will be interesting to see if it works out or not."
BigSlam - "I'll go on the record as saying I have no problem with the offer they made to Kemba (assuming the offer was 5/$160).
It was a risk to go in low but if Kemba signed off on it it would have been a massive win for us.
If he was willing to negotiate we had a starting point and could have built up from there.
Unfortunately it would appear Kemba wasn't interested in negotiating and only gave us 1 kick at the can - which I find very interesting. I viewed our offer as a calculated risk. I'm more happy that we didn't sign Kemba at 5/$200-$221 (like some were saying we should have) than I am sad at losing him.
On Rozier: Don't like it. Think he's now being paid double his worth and his signing was a desperation move by the FO when they knew they lost Kemba. Would have been able to rationalize the 3 year deal if it was more like 3/30 and not 3/60. I would have much rather gone into next season with Devonte as our starting PG and signed a cheaper young vet PG to back him up (Elfrid Payton). I'm also worried about how Roziers game will compliment the games, playing styles, needs and development of our younger players (Devonte, Monk, Bacon, Bridges and PJ)."
amcoolio - "Like taking a flyer on Rozier, who I think can have a Kemba like leap. He’s got swag. I don’t like the third year. We should have done 2/38. I love Kemba but 5/221 was too tough a pill to swallow."
25centsandwich - "This was a total disaster. Hope I'm wrong about the results but at this point it's just an absolutely embarassing fiasco. And the more information that gets out, the worse it gets. Arguably the best player in franchise history, the franchises all time leading scorer, a fan favorite, a great locker room guy who has been criminally underpaid (and to add, he publicly stated he would take less than what he could've got multiple times)....and we offer him less than what guys got who aren't even consistent All-Stars. The 5 yr/190 mil contract was the obvious deal to be had. If Kemba walked away from that then I could understand. But to offer him less on a per year basis than what he could've gotten on the open market is just an indefensible decision."
driveandkick - I get all the complaints but I'm totally cool with it. As soon as we found out Kemba was gone we knew the tank was commencing. Tanking is about doing three things: accumulating draft picks, bringing in young players, and creating future cap space for when you hope to compete again. Rozier accomplishes the second thing on that list and hear me out, the third thing too. Yes we're paying him a ton of money over three years, but the thing is we're not even trying to compete for these next two years. We probably won't be during the third year either.
Diop - In regards to Kemba, it was time to move on. I would have preferred a trade last year but I get being unable to due to the all star game. I'm still coming to terms with the Rozier trade but I don't really hate it. It's a way to get something from Kemba leaving and we take a flyer on a young guard. Overpriced, but whatever.
BobsBuddy - IF Rozier performs like he did when filling in for Irving,we then have made a Great decision.
LurkCobain - Listen we all loved Kemba. We loved the nights whe he gave you 60 off 25/30 shooting. Some people tend to forget that he also gave you some 15 off 5/27 nights. After thinking about it some, the team made the right move for the long term. This forces the young guys to jump in the water and stop staring at Kemba like kids waiting for daddy to save them.
bes628 - "Proves we will never be considered an serious franchise under this current leadership. You absolutely do not low ball your franchise GOAT. No serious FA will ever sign here willingly. Our stigma is that we are financially inept, unappreciative, and not committed to winning."
Eoghan(formulary BrotherDave) - On paper the Rozier signing looks bleak. But I'd rather have him than Elfrid Payton I think. I'm just going to be optimistic and hope for the best. On Kemba I wanted the team to trade him for something, anything, and try to retool somehow. They didn't do it b/c it would've been a bad PR move to trade the fan favorite/best player in franchise history. I get that. But now they're getting raked over the coals for letting him walk for nothing anyway. This was a disaster. But honestly I'm not sure if it could be avoided. The NBA landscape is changing so much so fast that standing pat might have been a shrewd move.
