2020 Off-season Discussion

JMAC3 · Post #701 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:01 pm

Rich4114 wrote:Why do I keep seeing the Big Al contract referenced as a disaster? We were coming off a historically bad year and just lost out on Anthony Davis to the team that left us for New Orleans. We were living in the lottery striking out. They made a move that ended up making the team competitive and it peaked 2016. Most excitement the franchise had around it since like 2001.

Obviously because the only way to build a team is to tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank and then maybe you go from the worst to best team in the League.

Benjamin Linus · Post #702 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:03 pm

We're gonna bring back Frank Kaminsky aren't we?

Post #703 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:07 pm

Rich4114 wrote:Why do I keep seeing the Big Al contract referenced as a disaster? We were coming off a historically bad year and just lost out on Anthony Davis to the team that left us for New Orleans. We were living in the lottery striking out. They made a move that ended up making the team competitive and it peaked 2016. Most excitement the franchise had around it since like 2001.

I do not understand. Jefferson was awesome for us and 100% performed at the level of his contract and above IMO. He was garnering attention for All Star consideration at one point.

I agree with you Rich - I look at Jefferson's time as a positive for us.

wilson115 · Post #704 » by **wilson115** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:07 pm

Read on Twitter

Sign-and-trade? :lol:

MasterIchiro · Post #705 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:34 pm

Alright, next time I see Danny Ainge I'm going to kick him in the balls so hard he will think it's 1986!

Rich4114 · Post #706 » by **Rich4114** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:45 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Alright, next time I see Danny Ainge I'm going to kick him in the balls so hard he will think it's 1986!

Or you can just have Chris Paul punch him in the balls instead!

vorbis · Post #707 » by **vorbis** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:57 am

the issue with Al Jefferson's contract wasn't so much the number but the decision-making process involved in offering it to him. Al certainly played up to the level of his contract, especially the first few years.

the decision to sign him definitely had a positive return, too, but it had larger ramifications on the team's direction that I think inform a lot of long-time fans' exasperation at the Gordon Hayward contract. maybe more than any other inflection point in the last 10 years of this franchise.

I'm not sure that the situations of 2013-14 and 2020-21 are 100% comparable when it comes to "team direction" and "the franchise life-or-death stakes of a high-profile free agent signing," mainly because Mitch Kupchak has drafted quite a bit better than Rich Cho, at all levels of the draft and also the undrafted market.

so it's not quite the same trajectory of the team. that whole situation with Steve Clifford's first three seasons felt like a salmon making it as far upriver as it could, whereas this year's team is still ascending (how high will it end up is the massively open question), and there's been an obvious commitment to building a pipeline of young, cost-controlled talent.

MasterIchiro · Post #708 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:57 am

Rich4114 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Alright, next time I see Danny Ainge I'm going to kick him in the balls so hard he will think it's 1986!

Or you can just have Chris Paul punch him in the balls instead!

Better yet have Tacko Fall hang from his balls like it's the rim. Just hang until you hear a SNAP! Teach this twerp a lesson!

316Hornets · Post #709 » by **316Hornets** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:52 am

I get the feeling the front office likes Zeller a lot. If I had to bet on it, I think we are going to roll with who we have at center. Richards and Carey will get looked at extensively. It's going to be real ugly against certain bigs, but I think we'll see how the new guys progress and then make a move at the deadline if it's not working.

Braggins · Post #710 » by **Braggins** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:17 am

At least Whiteside is off the table.

wilson115 · Post #711 » by **wilson115** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:45 am

Read on Twitter

LofJ · Post #712 » by **LofJ** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:21 pm

I wonder if Riller and/or Richards will get 2-way deals? And if so are we planning on signing anyone else?

Off the top of my head Kaminsky, MKG, Vonleh, Korver, Turner, Dedmon, Lee, Korkmaz, and Waiters are all unsigned. A lot of former Hornets available :lol:

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MasterIchiro · Post #713 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:10 pm

LofJ wrote:I wonder if Riller and/or Richards will get 2-way deals? And if so are we planning on signing anyone else?

Off the top of my head Kaminsky, MKG, Vonleh, Korver, Turner, Dedmon, Lee, Korkmaz, and Waiters are all unsigned. A lot of former Hornets available ....

3 Cho lottery picks unsigned and none yet 28 years old. That's a special skill! And the Nic Batum contract is like COVID-19.

JMAC3 · Post #714 » by **JMAC3** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:13 pm

I had wondered over to the Celtics trade board to observe and see if I could learn some of their motivation behind wanting the TPE etc... and I wanted to shares some of my observations for fun.

1. The LOVE Theis, like they think he is just as good as Capela and Turner, claiming he was a top 4 center left in playoffs.

2. They think Indiana was making up false claims that Danny was asking for Turner, Oladipo or Warren. Or that Turner, McDermott and a first was just a lie floated out to the Pacer Fans...lol

3. They have mixed feelings on Hayward, some won't miss him others feel like they are pretty average after losing him.

4. Some have brought up trading us a first rounder for the TPE, some think we should just do the sign and trade for a second rounder regardless what happens with Batum.

5. Their thread management is nuts, basically they just talk about everything in the trade thread, quotes from rookies, books they read, it was a different world.

They treat Grant Williams and Robert Williams like they are untouchable players and would not include them in a deal to get TPE

7. Master Ichiro is over there holding it down for us as the resident Hornet fan on their board.

wilson115 · Post #715 » by **wilson115** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:36 pm

Benjamin Linus wrote:We're gonna bring back Frank Kaminsky aren't we?

Read on Twitter

Happy for Frank. Really didn't like how his last year with us went down.

amcoolio · Post #716 » by **amcoolio** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:21 pm

I'm sure we would have gotten Whiteside or Cousins if this Hayward thing wasn't taking too long

MasterIchiro · Post #717 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:57 pm

amcoolio wrote:I'm sure we would have gotten Whiteside or Cousins if this Hayward thing wasn't taking too long

We wanted Harrell. I think he was a good target. We also chased Turner, another good one. We have Hayward to recruit Gobert and we drafted Carey Jr. I still trust Kupchak.

DY_nasty · Post #718 » by **DY_nasty** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:21 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
amcoolio wrote:I'm sure we would have gotten Whiteside or Cousins if this Hayward thing wasn't taking too long

We wanted Harrell. I think he was a good target. We also chased Turner, another good one. We have Hayward to recruit Gobert and we drafted Carey Jr. I still trust Kupchak.

cmon man

what's an older Hayward/Gobert team up gonna do now that they didn't accomplish before?

LofJ · Post #719 » by **LofJ** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:00 am

I want Langford from the Celtics, you may discount it but I think having two other Indiana guys on the roster in Hayward and Zeller would be big for him.

I think having a bad player on a $9 million dollar deal (i.e. the Batum stretch) for the next 3 years in exchange for taking a flyer on a decently skilled and athletic wing that was a top 5 recuit isn't a bad deal at all.

Post #720 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:35 am

Why do some people have beer goggles for Langford all of a sudden?

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