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Re: Scavenger Hunt Draft - post your team summary due Wed 

Post#721 » by Diop » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:43 am

I guess we all value players differently. I picked a bench that could play role and support the starting 5.

Dally had a solid season last year averaging 8.1pts, 8.2 rebs and 1.4 blks in just 24 minutes a game for Sacramento who appear very keen to retain him. But if he agrees to play for the MLE Miami is very interested in grabbing him. He got his big contract after averaging a double/double with 2.3 blocks but then they got that awful coach who had no idea how to play bigs. Look how Brand's season improved this year under Coach Collins, I'm sure they wouldn't have minded having Dally this year.

He is a solid defensive big who will get good minutes off the bench and will allow Duncan to play some Pf.

Bass is there as an energy/scoring burst big off the bench as that is what he does best. He scored in double figures shooting over 50% while playing 26 minutes a game. I don't like him as a starter but off the bench he is fine.

Dudley grew into a great role player off the bench playing good defense and hit 41% of his 3's. Phoenix fans love him and don't want to lose him.

While Rashard Lewis is an experienced and proven scorer.

Murphy was picked because all the other left handers that I knew were picked :P
How did you guys find your left handers?? And Azubuike was my last pick out of a shallow pool of NBDL players, either way they are the 11th and 12th players and will only get playing time if there is serious injury problems.

I like the team and think it would work, the way I run teams (when playing NBA2k11) is that you don't see the bench playing together. It is always a mix with the starting 5.
But each to their own I guess.
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Re: Scavenger Hunt Draft - post your team summary due Wed 

Post#722 » by JMAC3 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:27 am

@ Lamar/Doc I think your idea of creating the mavs doesnt hold much weight considering they got hot at the right time with their jump shooting this year which basically won them the title. This is not the main point I am trying to make because with only 14 teams instead of 30 you have to aim for a Mavs on steroids which I do not think you guys were able to do. You have a tiny backcourt with Jennings, Conley and Terry.
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Post#723 » by captaincrunk » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:06 am

doc.end wrote:I knew something was missing. I wanted to state that I expect us suck int that PC game simualtion as we din't relly focus on stars and big names but mainly Biyombo not included, Gortat emerging only lately, Crash always underrated, Dirk rankings yet to go up and most of the bench is too young to earn better ranks in that kind of games.

I would be using good rosters.
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Re: Scavenger Hunt Draft - post your team summary due Wed 

Post#724 » by Takuya Kimura » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:07 am

Paydro70 wrote:
Also, I think both you and Crunk are exaggerating regarding your centers. Howard is flagrantly better than Gasol, but Gasol is by no means done as a player and is a legitimate center in this league.



By no means am i trying to convince others that Gasol > Howard,I just wanted to prove that Howard (and Oden :lol:) does not own Gasol by posting their last big stage head to head matchups.

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@ takuya - and jones is really hurting as a starting sg for a team trying to win a ring, even at 8 mpg.




I just reduced his minutes to 4 mpg,and I don't get how 8 minutes for a role player like him would kill my team really,even Diop at SG for 8 minutes wouldn't kill.

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They're not false. I watch Laker games bro. Just because he plays there doesn't mean he belongs there.

He may not be best at C but his prime happened playing at C.



To add,I don't understand the Billups hate here.He is a 17/3/5 guy last year and I don't know how "done" he could be but with his experience and BBIQ he can easily be an above average PG.And it's not like my team requires him to be his 05 Pistons self.He just plays a role like Kidd's on the Mavs,bringing leadership and stability. See:Updated FAQ
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Re: Scavenger Hunt Draft - post your team summary due Wed 

Post#725 » by captaincrunk » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:27 am

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Paydro70 wrote:
Also, I think both you and Crunk are exaggerating regarding your centers. Howard is flagrantly better than Gasol, but Gasol is by no means done as a player and is a legitimate center in this league.



By no means am i trying to convince others that Gasol > Howard,I just wanted to prove that Howard (and Oden :lol:) does not own Gasol by posting their last big stage head to head matchups.

You posted Gasol in his prime vs a young Dwight. Dwight was 23-24. Bigs hit their stride a little later. And Dwight's 27pts and 15.5 rebounds these past playoffs to Pau's 13pts and 7.8 rebounds with Dwights MUCH better defense? Yeah, good luck Pau.
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They're not false. I watch Laker games bro. Just because he plays there doesn't mean he belongs there.

He may not be best at C but his prime happened playing at C.

Operative word: Happened.


Takuya Kimura wrote:To add,I don't understand the Billups hate here.He is a 17/3/5 guy last year and I don't know how "done" he could be but with his experience and BBIQ he can easily be an above average PG.And it's not like my team requires him to be his 05 Pistons self.He just plays a role like Kidd's on the Mavs,bringing leadership and stability.

I agree, Billups has a year or two left to where he can add 12-18 points (big range, really just depends on the defense he faces) and 4-6 assists.

That is if the injuries don't catch up to him. I know that Knicks fans are worried about it.
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Post#726 » by Takuya Kimura » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:37 am

Pretty simple logic really,however much worse Gasol is playing at C ,fact is he is a 3 time allstar playing there.
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Post#727 » by captaincrunk » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:42 am

Takuya Kimura wrote:Pretty simple logic really,however much worse Gasol is playing at C ,fact is he is a 3 time allstar playing there.

I'm just saying you should start him at PF.

EDIT: Besides, we could post all day about MJ's 6 rings but that doesn't mean he's a starting SG in our league. I don't mean to make absurd comparisons. All I mean by my post was that Pau would have trouble being Pau against the new Dwight.
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Re: Scavenger Hunt Draft - picks done - voting soon 

Post#728 » by Takuya Kimura » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:49 am

fatlever wrote:great draft everyone.



TEAM SUMMARY

1. post your team depth chart - (list a player only once, even it that player will play multiple positions - you can break down your team rotations in your summary.
2. discuss the reasoning behind your team selection
3. describe your team's style of play, your go to players, defensive and offensive strategies
4. tell us why your team can win the finals

try to keep it fairly brief. no need for a 3 page rambling.



I admit ignoring some of the essay-like summaries :sleep:
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Re: Scavenger Hunt Draft - post your team summary due Wed 

Post#729 » by doc.end » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:08 pm

JMAC3 wrote:@ Lamar/Doc I think your idea of creating the mavs doesnt hold much weight considering they got hot at the right time with their jump shooting this year which basically won them the title. This is not the main point I am trying to make because with only 14 teams instead of 30 you have to aim for a Mavs on steroids which I do not think you guys were able to do. You have a tiny backcourt with Jennings, Conley and Terry.

Says someone who has point guard rotation consisting of Curry and Barea - having Lou Williams (listed as SG in your rotation) doesn't really help. Case closed I guess. It shouldn't even be an issue, we have Jordan Crawford at PG who you chose to not see :lol: and it is not like there is no small backcourt duos doing pretty well throughout the league (Mavs with Barea, Curry-Ellis, Felton-Lawson,... even Bobcats will do that again).

With the rest I disagree. With picking Dirk it is only natural we would be compared with Mavs in terms what supporting cast can we get for him. I assume you are thinking this is a small league fatnasy draft but it is not, 14 teams picking from limited pool, which means this is more like 20 teams competition. The purpose as was stated in the rules was to build a team to win play offs, not to score points in several fantasy categories. We just did that. We didn't pick stars and popular overrated players (like DeRozan) no matter how they would work together, we couldn't really do that anywaya because of the switch that made us picking last in both second and third round which meant most of the obvious targets were gone or proved not eligible. That's not a crying, just staing the fact, every starting place in this draft had its ups and downs, being first gave us a choice to pick whoever we want but denied us a shot at using a strategy of picking up bunch of proven stars and fill out the rest with players as good as you get androle players. In normal snake draft, we would have na advantage, this year it is more of a wash and position in first round only dictates you what strategy is more suitable for you - we were bound to go with one dominant star.

Yeah, wining the title is nothing it's just luck hitting few more jump shots in 4 consecutive series. Ok :wink: You guys are focusing on that Mavs comparison way too much, we would have to try ahrd not resemble mavs structure and build a completely different team and for noto good reason really. We weren't modeling the team after Mavs on purpose, it is just that some type of players should be teamed up naturally, so we went tsimilar waqy here and there and differentiate here andthere. It went that way Terry emerged as one of our top choices as last pick in second round, other choices were sharpshooters too and at the end we decided to go with him amusing ourselves in the process, thinking it could provide some lulz in late rounds if we add some scrubs from Mavs roster in late rounds. The comparison of paricular players witrh their Mavs counterparts were just for the fun and partially that the concept of the team is viable as it's not that much different from last year champions role-wise.
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Post#730 » by -Ian- » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:15 pm

Depth Chart

PG: Jason Kidd | Jerryd Bayless
SG: Ray Allen | Marcus Thornton | Rip Hamilton
SF: LeBron James | Ron Artest | Grant Hill
PF: Chris Bosh | Andray Blatche
C: Anderson Varejao | DeSagana Diop

Discuss the reasoning behind your team selection

Since I selected LBJ as my first pick, I wanted to surround him with good complementary players. I then picked Bosh to be the 2nd option on offense for my team. You can criticize him all you want but Boshtrich is still a top-tier PF in the league. His defense has also improved and he was a key factor in the MIA-CHI series wherein he scored 30-plus points twice and the Heat's second best player in the Finals. LBJ's slashing ability and playmaking skills will be maximized by having someone who plays off the ball very well and Ray Allen is the perfect choice for it. Having a solid point guard to lead your team is vital in winning a championship so I went with Jason Kidd to run the show. Despite his age, he can still play at a competitive level for 2-3 more years. He is also one of the smartest players and he can defend very well; he was the Kobe stopper when they went up against the Lakers. His leadership and experience will be of great importance to my team in the quest for the championship. I went with Anderson Varejao to provide interior defense and rebounding.

Andray Blatche's offensive production has been improving every year so he'll be a great guy off the bench along with Marcus Thornton. Ron Artest will be tasked to guard opposing team's wing player. He may have lost some athleticism and slowed down, but he's still one of the top wing defenders in the NBA and he is tough. Rip Hamilton will be a third string SG to provide some offense behind Thornton. Grant Hill will be the third SF in my team to provide some offense, defense and leadership. Jerryd Bayless showed last season that he can be a starter in the NBA. He's a bit inconsistent but he can learn a lot from Kidd. Lastly, Diop will provide some entertainment – I mean a wide body inside the paint to grab some rebounds and contend some shots and also to relieve some minutes from Andy.

Team's style of play

Half court offense. Pick and roll, pick and pop, drive and dish, ISO for LBJ, kick out passes to Allen and/or Thornton. Man-to-man D, trap defense and lockdown defense. I can have both Artest and James on the floor with Artest playing as an SG and I have the best defensive wing tandem. My team may lack a defensive center that can block shots from opposing team's players driving inside the lane, but my team will make up for that deficiency through our lockdown perimeter D.

Your go-to players

LBJ, Bosh and Allen in the first unit. Thornton and Blatche in the second unit.

Tell us why your team can win the finals

I have the best and most athletic player in the NBA. I have a fantastic shooter and one of the toughest guards to cover in the league. I have a quality power forward that has an unorthodox style of play. I have a surefire HOF point guard to lead my team. My team got a nice mix of veterans and youth. The youngins will provide the firepower while the veterans will provide leadership and experience. My team also has a lot of depth at the wing. Moreover, I have two of the best defensive wing in the NBA.
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Post#731 » by doc.end » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:17 pm

Takuya Kimura wrote:
fatlever wrote:great draft everyone.



TEAM SUMMARY

1. post your team depth chart - (list a player only once, even it that player will play multiple positions - you can break down your team rotations in your summary.
2. discuss the reasoning behind your team selection
3. describe your team's style of play, your go to players, defensive and offensive strategies
4. tell us why your team can win the finals

try to keep it fairly brief. no need for a 3 page rambling.



I admit ignoring some of the essay-like summaries :sleep:

Well, we are two so we naturally were a bit longer as in these cases you don't want to make the summary to look done effortless and want to included points of both of you. If it would be one man team, it would be only your responsibility how much effort you want to put into the summary as you can possibly spoil only your work, but after all thsoe shared spreadheets you want to be better safe than sorry, lol 8-)

So, sorry for that graphomaniac outburst.I know that depth chart is what really matters, but you can't still help in these situations and you write and write for the good of both owners :)

I also prefer last years with depth charts only and brief comments and then room for endless arguing (it makes all depth charts appear on far fewer pages of the thread btw), but the 4 points structure shut us all in our foots 8-)
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Post#732 » by doc.end » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:24 pm

Ian: Nice team, I would be afraid of that thin big men rotation and that Gana should actually play and if something happens he may even start! Even at full strenght I think you lack either size, skill or work ethic in your PF/C.

One question. Who will score in 4th quarters? :)

Also I wonder how Dray and Metta would like each other.

Props for stealing few palyers before we could get them.
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Post#733 » by captaincrunk » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:25 pm

-Ian- wrote:Depth Chart

PG: Jason Kidd | Jerryd Bayless
SG: Ray Allen | Marcus Thornton | Rip Hamilton
SF: LeBron James | Ron Artest | Grant Hill
PF: Chris Bosh | Andray Blatche
C: Anderson Varejao | DeSagana Diop

Discuss the reasoning behind your team selection

Since I selected LBJ as my first pick, I wanted to surround him with good complementary players. I then picked Bosh to be the 2nd option on offense for my team. You can criticize him all you want but Boshtrich is still a top-tier PF in the league. His defense has also improved and he was a key factor in the MIA-CHI series wherein he scored 30-plus points twice and the Heat's second best player in the Finals. LBJ's slashing ability and playmaking skills will be maximized by having someone who plays off the ball very well and Ray Allen is the perfect choice for it. Having a solid point guard to lead your team is vital in winning a championship so I went with Jason Kidd to run the show. Despite his age, he can still play at a competitive level for 2-3 more years. He is also one of the smartest players and he can defend very well; he was the Kobe stopper when they went up against the Lakers. His leadership and experience will be of great importance to my team in the quest for the championship. I went with Anderson Varejao to provide interior defense and rebounding.

Andray Blatche's offensive production has been improving every year so he'll be a great guy off the bench along with Marcus Thornton. Ron Artest will be tasked to guard opposing team's wing player. He may have lost some athleticism and slowed down, but he's still one of the top wing defenders in the NBA and he is tough. Rip Hamilton will be a third string SG to provide some offense behind Thornton. Grant Hill will be the third SF in my team to provide some offense, defense and leadership. Jerryd Bayless showed last season that he can be a starter in the NBA. He's a bit inconsistent but he can learn a lot from Kidd. Lastly, Diop will provide some entertainment – I mean a wide body inside the paint to grab some rebounds and contend some shots and also to relieve some minutes from Andy.

Team's style of play

Half court offense. Pick and roll, pick and pop, drive and dish, ISO for LBJ, kick out passes to Allen and/or Thornton. Man-to-man D, trap defense and lockdown defense. I can have both Artest and James on the floor with Artest playing as an SG and I have the best defensive wing tandem. My team may lack a defensive center that can block shots from opposing team's players driving inside the lane, but my team will make up for that deficiency through our lockdown perimeter D.

Your go-to players

LBJ, Bosh and Allen in the first unit. Thornton and Blatche in the second unit.

Tell us why your team can win the finals

I have the best and most athletic player in the NBA. I have a fantastic shooter and one of the toughest guards to cover in the league. I have a quality power forward that has an unorthodox style of play. I have a surefire HOF point guard to lead my team. My team got a nice mix of veterans and youth. The youngins will provide the firepower while the veterans will provide leadership and experience. My team also has a lot of depth at the wing. Moreover, I have two of the best defensive wing in the NBA.

The real weakness here is in the frontcourt. Varejao is injured and so is Diop. Even assuming they recover Diop is a 4th stringer and Varejao is a decent backup. The wing depth will be wasted since LeBron will play 43 minutes a game or whatever in the post season, and you didn't need Jason Kidd to distribute when you had LeBron. It just takes the ball out of the hands of a guy who doesn't know how to play off the ball. Artest can't really play SG anymore, not to the level you'd like. He'd still be above average defensively there (maybe) but... I don't know.

I guess Varejao and Diop are the weakest link. Ray Allen was picked too early as well. He likes to have set plays run for him and LeBron would get bored.
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Post#734 » by BigSlam » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:35 pm

Stun - I think John Wall has a bright future, but I'm not sure he's ready to be a #1 option just yet or to lead a team to the championship. I think Granger is a chucker but I do like Afflalo - especially in your line up with who is around him. Ariza is crap, but gives good to great D and I like that off the bench. You have some injury history on your team - Roddy, Roy, Tyrus and Kaman all with huge question marks when it comes to sustainability. End of the day though, I think your team is way too young. It could really do with some vets.

Wait, who am I kidding? A team with T.Will AND Doc on it?

Game over. You win.
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Post#735 » by BigSlam » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:39 pm

Doc and Lamar, that's a small, small team. Conley. Jennings and Jet are all undersized, Crawford is undersized, Bismack is undersized - that's a whole lot of undersized!! Dirk is a stud though - I'll give him that. While Gortat might be an acceptable defensive rim protector I can't see him doing much else without someone like Nash looking after him (or like Chandler had with Kidd looking after him). Outside of Dirk I wonder where your point will come from? Jet is much better in a 6th man role Vs the 2nd units SG than as a starting SG. Your bench is prety good though.
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Post#736 » by BigSlam » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:45 pm

Ian - I love the Kidd, Allen, LBJ and Bosh combo - I even like AV as your starting C (if he was healthy - but like Gana, he is not!!) but your bench is putrid. I could see Allen putting up huge numbers with Kidd and LBJ getting him the rock - but I see so many issues with your bench. I think Thornton will become a problem because he isn't starting. I think Rip will become a problem because he isn't starting. I think that Blatche will become a problem because he isn't starting. I think that Artest will become bored and just end up shooting everyone.

Cool starting 5, but your bench would cancer the team IMO.
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Post#737 » by Takuya Kimura » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:33 pm

Great team Ian,the starting lineup is invincible on offense but 2 problems exist
1.No PG stopper.Kidd is great defensively-------not guarding PG though
2.Backup C,like most have mentioned.
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Post#738 » by doc.end » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:02 pm

BigSlam wrote:Doc and Lamar, that's a small, small team. Conley. Jennings and Jet are all undersized, Crawford is undersized, Bismack is undersized - that's a whole lot of undersized!! Dirk is a stud though - I'll give him that. While Gortat might be an acceptable defensive rim protector I can't see him doing much else without someone like Nash looking after him (or like Chandler had with Kidd looking after him). Outside of Dirk I wonder where your point will come from? Jet is much better in a 6th man role Vs the 2nd units SG than as a starting SG. Your bench is prety good though.

Well, the depth chart is more about putting best into starting lineup I could see us going with Conley-Young and Crawford-Terry or something, bringing Terry from the bench. Crawford is 6'4'' what heigh PG should have? As SG he is as tall as Wade is, I see no problem. Well, we might pick someone taller like Dragic but we rather tried to go with BPGA msot of the time. IMO Jennings play bigger, I am always surprised of his vertically challenged measurements - but that could be just my ignorance :D

I would argue that Bismack is undersized, he us as much undersized as Howard is.

Scoring (Dirk aside) I think would be a team effort, with some players being able to carry the team onenight and play within system anothe one (Crash is prime example of that), whole roster scored in double digits last season except Thompson and obvious Biyombo.
Conley 13.7. (15.2 in PO)
Jennings 16.2
Crawford 16.3
Terry 15.8 (17.5)
Young 17.4.
Crash 15.8 (15.2)
Miles 12.8
Dirk 23.0 (27.7)
West 16.4 (18.0)
Gortat 13.0 in Phoenix, 10.2 whole season
Thompson 8.8

But I'm trying to persuade you, just for fun, it is all done anway no need to sugarcoat. We may lack a bit of experience and size in PG rotation as we picked those positions a bit later than most of you securing nice players in problematic categories thus ending up with stronger bench instead. Tradeoff. The only second thought I have is what it would like if we decide to let the allstar category open to pick a veteran PG later (tank that cat a bit - Tony Parker or Mo Williams lasted quite a time), not picking Crash as starting SF and go with Scola that round instead. I guess it could bite us somewhere else and wouldn't change much anyway (we would still have big man heavy lineup).

Anyway - you should Jet's swag, shouldn't you? :wink:
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Post#739 » by Paydro70 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:32 pm

OK, final three comments:
Doc - Lots of shooting, the best PF in the game, enough ballhandling to get by... this team should have no trouble scoring, and I love Gortat as the interior stopper. The problem is the perimeter defense; even Wallace is best at playing free safety, and isn't someone you can throw on elite guards. So that leaves some undersized guys who have never been good defenders to try to contain the likes of Westbrook, Paul, Wade... it's going to be a major issue. I'm also not at all excited for the prospect of big minutes to Biyombo, he's not ready to play in this 14-team league and probably shouldn't have been picked at all.

Ian - Excellent team. LeBron should have been the first or second pick, Bosh is still an elite PF that I considered taking long before he went, and Allen can stay the third option who fires threes better than anybody in NBA history. Varejao is an excellent complement at center, and on offense I think Kidd's distribution abilities and shooting are going to mesh excellently. The trouble is that by this stage of his career Kidd spends as much time defending shooting guards as points, and there's nobody at the two that could switch over to guard the 1. So I expect this team to have considerable trouble defending the fastest point guards, a problem which will be compounded by the lack of depth in the frontcourt. If Varejao gets into foul trouble, I sure don't want to see Diop or Blatche coming in.

Stun - Unlike the vast majority of teams, I love the whole frontcourt rotation. It scores, it boards, and it defends, and there are competent backups for every situation. I personally like Granger and think he'll be relieved to be not on the Pacers anymore, and Ariza is a great backup. But I think mostly it's already been said: Wall was a huge stretch for a first rounder. Imagine how much better this squad would look with Deron Williams or Dwyane Wade... or even Westbrook. Maybe in a year you'll look like a genius when Wall becomes All-NBA, but that's a loooong way from his actual performance last season. It's also possible that this backcourt looks even worse if Wall only marginally improves, Roy retires, and Beaubois just turns out to suck.
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Post#740 » by Paydro70 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:34 pm

Anyway, time to rank now, yes?
First - Fred
Second - Ian
Third - Takuya
HM - Sachmo
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