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Re: BOOM!!! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread 

Post#721 » by fatlever » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:21 pm

i want to see MKG let if fly in rhythm. no hesitation, no thinking, just catch and shoot when open.
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Post#722 » by Leolovinliberal » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:29 pm

Sik Infant wrote:As we have seen in shootaround pregame MKG has a shot he uses for shootaround/practice and a shot he uses in the game.

The reason for this, is that the shot he uses pregame/practice etc is his jumpshot that he is using for repetition and muscle memory for the FUTURE.

The shot he uses in game is the shot he has been using his whole life and cannot be switched off like a light.

As MKG's career progresses he will naturally, gradually start using his new mechanics and form on his j in game without instruction as he gains confidence in his shot and the time spent under expert tutelege becomes instinct.

No conspiracy theory, lol.

Also of note doing it this way means that MKG doesn't ONLY need to work on his j in the off/pre season.


With all due respect, your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Essentially what you're saying is; he knows how to shoot a jumper correctly in practice but he chooses to shoot it incorrectly during live games. Think about what you're saying for a second and you'll realize how illogical it sounds. His jump shot is horribad, again; he literally shoots it on the way down. It has to be entirely deconstructed and remade. But he has the work ethic to do it.
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Post#723 » by Leolovinliberal » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:33 pm

fatlever wrote:i want to see MKG let if fly in rhythm. no hesitation, no thinking, just catch and shoot when open.


But that's the point; he doesn't currently know how. He literally shoots it on the way down. For whatever reason he wasn't corrected by previous coaches, so he has continued this bad form forever.
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Re: BOOM!!! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread 

Post#724 » by KembaWalker » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:38 pm

Leolovinliberal wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:As we have seen in shootaround pregame MKG has a shot he uses for shootaround/practice and a shot he uses in the game.

The reason for this, is that the shot he uses pregame/practice etc is his jumpshot that he is using for repetition and muscle memory for the FUTURE.

The shot he uses in game is the shot he has been using his whole life and cannot be switched off like a light.

As MKG's career progresses he will naturally, gradually start using his new mechanics and form on his j in game without instruction as he gains confidence in his shot and the time spent under expert tutelege becomes instinct.

No conspiracy theory, lol.

Also of note doing it this way means that MKG doesn't ONLY need to work on his j in the off/pre season.


With all due respect, your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Essentially what you're saying is; he knows how to shoot a jumper correctly in practice but he chooses to shoot it incorrectly during live games. Think about what you're saying for a second and you'll realize how illogical it sounds. His jump shot is horribad, again; he literally shoots it on the way down. It has to be entirely deconstructed and remade. But he has the work ethic to do it.


Thats exactly what he said. They have been in the process of rebuilding his shot since Dunlap got a hold of him in summer league. He works on the new form during pressureless practices and shootarounds but he reverts when his instincts take over in real games. Not necessarily by choice as you imply, thats just how it is. i had similar experiences trying to fix my shot where I wouldn't square up with the basket correctly. never could totally fix it in game situations. its pretty hard to change instinct but obviously it wasnt my full time job either

if you want to see for yourself load up a summerleague video of the drills and see how different his form is in the practices.
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Re: BOOM!!! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread 

Post#725 » by James Gatz » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:40 pm

With all due respect, your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Essentially what you're saying is; he knows how to shoot a jumper correctly in practice but he chooses to shoot it incorrectly during live games. Think about what you're saying for a second and you'll realize how illogical it sounds. His jump shot is horribad, again; he literally shoots it on the way down. It has to be entirely deconstructed and remade. But he has the work ethic to do it.


What he said made sense. It takes time in order to change your shooting form.
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Re: BOOM!!! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread 

Post#726 » by fatlever » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:50 pm

Leolovinliberal wrote:
fatlever wrote:i want to see MKG let if fly in rhythm. no hesitation, no thinking, just catch and shoot when open.


But that's the point; he doesn't currently know how. He literally shoots it on the way down. For whatever reason he wasn't corrected by previous coaches, so he has continued this bad form forever.


my comment has nothing to do with form. we all know it needs work in the offseason and even then its a long road highlighted by the stats i showed last night.

but for now, he needs to let it fly w/out hesitation. i dont care if he shoots it out of his ass, just do it it rhythm and w/out hesitation.

too many times the ball swings out to MKG wide open from 15-20 feet and thinks about shooting for a second, hesitates, the defender just lets him stand out there, then finally he either passes it, dribbles into traffic or lets it go once he realizes the defender isnt coming and the shot clock is winding down.
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Post#727 » by Leolovinliberal » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:03 pm

James Gatz wrote:
With all due respect, your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Essentially what you're saying is; he knows how to shoot a jumper correctly in practice but he chooses to shoot it incorrectly during live games. Think about what you're saying for a second and you'll realize how illogical it sounds. His jump shot is horribad, again; he literally shoots it on the way down. It has to be entirely deconstructed and remade. But he has the work ethic to do it.


What he said made sense. It takes time in order to change your shooting form.


No it doesn't; at all. His game time shot is broken, we can all agree on that. What is the point of continuing to do something that everyone agrees doesn't work? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. So what if his new form isn't successful right away, it's not as if his shooting on the way down works.
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Re: BOOM!!! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread 

Post#728 » by BlackOutBuzz » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:16 pm

A jumpshot isn't a light-switch, you can't just turn it on and off. It takes time to practice and/or develop a new technique. It's good that he's working outside of game situations, because eventually it will take, but for now when the game is on he's gonna revert back to instinct. That's just the nature of breaking old bad habits.
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Re: BOOM!!! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread 

Post#729 » by JMAC3 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:26 pm

I understand some of you guys think his shot is trash and needs to be completely rebuilt. This is not the case. He needs to fix two small details.

Shooting the ball on the way up. Which can be fixed by learning a set shot and then it will naturally be your jump shot. The second thing is having a quicker release, he can keep the hitch as long as he has a quick release.

Guys who have ugly jump shots, but make shots.

Shawn Marion
Leandro Barbosa
Kevin Martin
Tayshaun Prince
Ronnie Brewer
Derek Fisher
Matt Bonner
Josh Childress
Joakim Noah
Andre Miller
Marcus Camby

Just to name a few. Some of these guys are great shooters, and the other guys tend to make it work. MKG will be the same once he gets his confidence.
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Re: BOOM!!! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread 

Post#730 » by -Ian- » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:06 am

I hope to see MKG be included in the Under-21 All-Star list.
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Post#731 » by Leolovinliberal » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:07 am

Anybody else see what I saw tonight? MKG has finally fixed his jumper!!! He shot it at full extension on the way up. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Post#732 » by Leolovinliberal » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:37 pm

Leolovinliberal wrote:Anybody else see what I saw tonight? MKG has finally fixed his jumper!!! He shot it at full extension on the way up. :clap: :clap: :clap:


So, I guess I'm not a troll here, or "hate" Kemba because I posted something encouraging about one of our players?
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Re: BOOM!!! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread 

Post#733 » by Eoghan » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:45 pm

What night are you talking about? Personally, I shield my eyes every time he goes up for a shot so I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
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Re: BOOM!!! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread 

Post#734 » by TheKingofSting » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:00 am

I think it may be time for him to come off of the bench at least for a few games.
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Post#735 » by HornetJail » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:02 am

BrotherDave wrote:What night are you talking about? Personally, I shield my eyes every time he goes down for a shot so I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
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Post#736 » by countryboi » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:32 am

MKG has hit the wall and is having major confidence issues....it all ends up in him playing like crap
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Post#737 » by JMAC3 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:15 am

This team needs to focus on getting MKG going. Dunlap needs to quit having him on such a short leash, because its not like we are winning anyways. Kemba and Sessions need to focus on putting him in positions to succeed, which I feel like both need to focus on controlling the game more.

There is no reason MKG should not be scoring more even with a bad jumpshot. He was able to score early in the season, and I understand defenses have adjusted, but he is not getting the same offensive opportunities. I feel like everyone has lost confidence in him so that has started to show in his own game.

Instead of Sessions throwing up midrange off balance jumpers 4 times a game I would much rather see MKG get a few isolations on wing or the block. When he posts up on the block we need to space the floor a bit more because he is beating his man, but it is the help defenders who are challenging his shots.

I am just getting tired of watching so much Selfish basketball aka Gordon, Sessions, Henderson, and even Kemba.
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Post#738 » by Leolovinliberal » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:27 am

BrotherDave wrote:What night are you talking about? Personally, I shield my eyes every time he goes up for a shot so I honestly don't know what you're talking about.


The game last night against the Bulls. He shot his jumper on the ay up, no more shooting it on the way down. Good for him.
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Re: BOOM!!! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread 

Post#739 » by fatlever » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:37 am

two different approaches to MKG

1) keep him in the starting lineup, force him to play with the starters and against starters even if he keeps up this slump, dont want to hurt his confidence by benching him, also might help with foul trouble
- flip side - gets free pass when struggling, could send wrong message to team, also give sense of entitlement, further struggles could hurt confidence.

2) bring him off the bench for a while, let him watch game for 6-8 minutes then bring him in, gets same amount of minutes, but more minutes against bench players giving him better chance to get going offensively to improve his confidence, put him back in starting lineup after a few solid games off the bench
- flip side - could hurt confidence of young player who falls deeper into slump, fans view benching as admitting failure of pick

what would you do if you were dunlap? option 1 or option 2?
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Post#740 » by JMAC3 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:43 am

It is pretty hard for a player to play like the number 2 pick when He is only getting 20 minutes a game and only taking 5 shots a game. I agree he needs to be more aggressive when playing, but the team needs to also help him get going.

All I am saying is it would be nice to see him get the ball in more advantageous spots rather then Sessions or Kemba dribbling around for 10 seconds passing him the ball standing on the wing and then coming to get the ball 3 seconds later.

We only post him up like 2 times a game... How about running some back screen lob plays. Or some dribble weave at the top to get some mismatches. Dunlap needs to get more creative on offense instead of just having Kemba or Sessions put their head down and try to make something happen.

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