Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread

Liver_Pooty · Post #721 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:50 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:
Did he really?

False rumor

Rats. That would be awesome.

Well it probably is. I haven't seen any credible evidence of such. But who knows.

Post #722 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:10 pm

is it a false rumor?

there is no doubt that zeller was cho's guy. but did mj/higgins and cho have heated arguments leading up to the draft about zeller vs others? we dont know. draftexpress reported that rumor about cho almost losing his job over zeller, but never heard much else about it.

mrknowitall215 · Post #723 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:17 pm

I believe it was a true rumor. Draft Express reported it via Twitter within 24 hours of the draft, and then lo & behold the Bobcats ended up taking Cody Zeller earlier than most expected he would've came off the board

_tijo_ · Post #724 » by **_tijo_** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:52 pm

I don't remember the rumor being over Zeller, but just that Cho almost lost his job. I thought it was because MJ was getting impatient with "the plan" and all the losing.

mrknowitall215 · Post #725 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:56 pm

_tijo_ wrote:I don't remember the rumor being over Zeller, but just that Cho almost lost his job. I thought it was because MJ was getting impatient with "the plan" and all the losing.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/350356056314093568[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/loverofsports/status/350356533802053633[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/350356989987131394[/tweet]

This happened hours before the draft. Cody Zeller was the topic

Liver_Pooty · Post #726 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:32 pm

To be fair Givony, and most others are completely full of crap right before the draft. We had so much stuff circulating around about us that it was insane.

Edit: If MJ was calling the shots than we don't take Zeller at 4, period.

Eoghan · Post #727 » by **Eoghan** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:48 pm

My take on that is either Cho was definitely not on the hot seat and that rumor was BS (probably, it really came out of left field) or that Cho knew he was about to be fired and drafted Zeller to spite MJ like GMs sometimes do (probably not true unless Zeller plays like a bum and Cho gets canned next year).

MKGsMotor · Post #728 » by **MKGsMotor** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:24 am

BrotherDave wrote:like GMs sometimes do

GMs don't do that. It makes them look bad even if they're about the be canned, they want their resume to look as good as possible. That's a senseless rumor.

Stun704 · Post #729 » by **Stun704** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:15 am

BrotherDave wrote:My take on that is either Cho was definitely not on the hot seat and that rumor was BS (probably, it really came out of left field) or that Cho knew he was about to be fired and drafted Zeller to spite MJ like GMs sometimes do (probably not true unless Zeller plays like a bum and Cho gets canned next year).

Do you have any examples of that?

And Higgins needs to be fired way before Cho does...

Tyrus Thomas for a first, Gana Diop, Tyson Chandler for Dampier and Matt Carroll, DJ Augustin over Brook Lopez? really this guy needs to GTFOH

Elden Payton · Post #730 » by **Elden Payton** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:01 am

Jon G was just making up BS to support his MJ is the GM crap like many others.

As far as I know the only rumour was that Cho and MJ were disagreeing on the pick because Cho wanted Zeller and MJ wanted McLemore.

If Cho doesn't call the shots we don't blow up fully and tank, we wouldn't have drafted Biyombo/Gilchrist or let DJ walk, we wouldn't have paid Diaw to walk, we wouldn't have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in a scouting system and we would have given Hendo 8m also.

Cho built a roster which won 7 games...and didn't get fired, I don't think MJ's going to can him after improving that team exponentially.

For the record I truly believe our bench now would beat our 7 win team a hundred times out of a hundred.

Eoghan · Post #731 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:58 am

Stun704 wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:My take on that is either Cho was definitely not on the hot seat and that rumor was BS (probably, it really came out of left field) or that Cho knew he was about to be fired and drafted Zeller to spite MJ like GMs sometimes do (probably not true unless Zeller plays like a bum and Cho gets canned next year).

Do you have any examples of that?

And Higgins needs to be fired way before Cho does...

Tyrus Thomas for a first, Gana Diop, Tyson Chandler for Dampier and Matt Carroll, DJ Augustin over Brook Lopez? really this guy needs to GTFOH

It was heavily rumored that Scott Layden did a lot of this with the Knicks because he and Dolan constantly butted heads, if I remember correctly.

Sik Infant wrote:If Cho doesn't call the shots we don't blow up fully and tank, we wouldn't have drafted Biyombo/Gilchrist or let DJ walk, we wouldn't have paid Diaw to walk, we wouldn't have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in a scouting system and we would have given Hendo 8m also.

If I'm not mistaken, didn't MJ (and I guess Higgins) technically start blowing the team up and then brought on Cho shortly after? I know we traded Crash before Cho arrived.

MKGsMotor wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:like GMs sometimes do

GMs don't do that. It makes them look bad even if they're about the be canned, they want their resume to look as good as possible. That's a senseless rumor.

The NBA is like any other business. If a guy hates his boss enough and has enough money/good enough reputation (think playing legacy) then he won't think twice to get back at him.

Elden Payton · Post #732 » by **Elden Payton** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:35 am

@BD

Obviously MJ decided to blow up at midseason, that Wallace/Higgins deal was his last as our "GM".

Cho was the one who traded for Wallace and word is we contacted him the day after he was available.

No doubt Cho was hired as tank commander.

Liver_Pooty · Post #733 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:21 am

Higgins traded Wallace to Cho for slim pickens.

Portland then eventually got Lillard for him.

Cho owned Charlotte before he even got here.

TheKingofSting · Post #734 » by **TheKingofSting** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:29 am

Maybe Higgins almost got fired for not wanting Zeller.

lmcguir5 · Post #735 » by **lmcguir5** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:15 pm

Kemba2Hendo wrote:Maybe Higgins almost got fired for not wanting Zeller.

Higgins should be fired on the principle that he made us give his son a contract

mrknowitall215 · Post #736 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:33 pm

Best/worst of Vegas Summer League

Who was the best rookie at Las Vegas Summer League?

Kevin Arnovitz, ESPN.com: A tough call between C.J. McCollum and Cody Zeller. McCollum shot at a 36.6 percent clip but achieved his primary goals here -- quality decision-making as a point guard and as a creator on the wing. But Zeller, whose selection by Charlotte was greeted by groans at the Bobcats' official fan draft party, looked like a competent NBA power forward, a big body who can shoot a little, has a nice touch around the basket and has an intuitive understanding of where to be on the basketball court. Advantage: Zeller.

Danny Chau, Hardwood Paroxysm: Zeller. There will still be questions about Zeller's strength and finishing ability in the regular season, but his understanding of offense is already advanced. His perimeter jump shot was hidden in Indiana's offense, but it looked very good all week long. There wasn't a rookie at summer league more consistently impressive.

Amin Elhassan, ESPN Insider: Zeller. He showed great comfort shooting the ball from the perimeter and more than held his own on the glass. It's only summer league, but the Bobcats had to have been pleased with what they saw.

D.J. Foster, ClipperBlog: Zeller. There were more aesthetically pleasing rookies in Las Vegas (McCollum, Dennis Schroeder, Gal Mekel), but no rookie was more consistent and few showed as much improvement as Zeller. We knew Zeller could run the floor and use his athleticism around the rim, but the big man's ability to step out and knock down jumpers opened some eyes.

Danny Nowell, Portland Roundball Society: Zeller. He may still struggle in the ways his detractors have been predicting -- summer league does not, after all, settle the question of whether NBA speed and athleticism will best him -- but for one week in Vegas, Zeller looked like the prospect many predicted a year ago.

mrknowitall215 · Post #737 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:33 pm

Jeff (MN)

What were your initial thoughts of Charlotte taking Zeller at #4?
Kevin Pelton (4:07 PM)

I like Zeller more than most people. If not for Noel dropping, I would have been completely fine with the pick.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/48563

lmcguir5 · Post #738 » by **lmcguir5** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:50 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Jeff (MN)

What were your initial thoughts of Charlotte taking Zeller at #4?
Kevin Pelton (4:07 PM)

I like Zeller more than most people. If not for Noel dropping, I would have been completely fine with the pick.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/48563

At this point, I think that Zeller is going to end up being the better of the two between him and Noel. Nerlens just has Greg Oden written all over him for me. As a pre-med student, I can tell you that 2 tears of the same ACL greatly weakens the strength of the repaired tendon by about 62% and the patellar tendons are weakened as well. Does no one remember the Suns medical staff (greatly revered for their work) red-flagged his knee?

Nerlens is also defensively based and has close to no offensive game right now. He is basically just a more talented Biz. I think it's easier in the NBA to add defense than offense to your repertoire and Zeller definitely has the offensive game that Nerlens won't ever have, and he has the potential to be just slightly under average to average defender.

I love Zeller's potential versus Noel's. Especially seeing that Nerlens won't even play until after the ASB, and thats the best case scenario. I was on the boat that was pissed at mgmt for the pick, but I am completely on board now and I wouldn't rather have anyone else that was available at 4

Liver_Pooty · Post #739 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:15 am

lmcguir5 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Jeff (MN)

What were your initial thoughts of Charlotte taking Zeller at #4?
Kevin Pelton (4:07 PM)

I like Zeller more than most people. If not for Noel dropping, I would have been completely fine with the pick.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/48563

At this point, I think that Zeller is going to end up being the better of the two between him and Noel. Nerlens just has Greg Oden written all over him for me. As a pre-med student, I can tell you that 2 tears of the same ACL greatly weakens the strength of the repaired tendon by about 62% and the patellar tendons are weakened as well. Does no one remember the Suns medical staff (greatly revered for their work) red-flagged his knee?

Nerlens is also defensively based and has close to no offensive game right now. He is basically just a more talented Biz. I think it's easier in the NBA to add defense than offense to your repertoire and Zeller definitely has the offensive game that Nerlens won't ever have, and he has the potential to be just slightly under average to average defender.

I love Zeller's potential versus Noel's. Especially seeing that Nerlens won't even play until after the ASB, and thats the best case scenario. I was on the boat that was pissed at mgmt for the pick, but I am completely on board now and I wouldn't rather have anyone else that was available at 4

I would have been fine taking him 1, well scratch that, 2 (I loved Oladipo). He's going to get blocked more than I'd like, but he's relentless.

Post #740 » by **fatlever** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:25 am

knowing what we know now, if the draft was held tomorrow and we had the #1 pick, who would you take for us? i'd have a hard time not taking zeller, even though i love oladipo and we havent seen bennett yet.