The Marvin Gaye Williams Thread

mrknowitall215 · Post #721 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:19 pm

I would say Jefferson got exposed defensively a lot more than Williams, but I do agree with the premise that Zeller would help Jefferson out a lot more than Williams. I think the new guys, Stephenson & Williams, are going to have to get adjusted to playing with Jefferson as their help side, and learn that they'll have to finish off defensive plays instead of just handing the assignment to the rim protector --- since Jefferson isn't a rim protector. I think all of Jefferson's blocks were in sequence of MKG and/or Kemba finishing off a defensive play where all Jefferson had to do was swing because the Bucks player was in heavy traffic

Post #722 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:33 pm

Braggins wrote:Marvin is the worst interior defender of all of them. There is no denying that. The Bucks team as a whole were scoring around the rim like it was nothing and a couple players got hot from deep despite good perimeter defense.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I focused on Marvin and I did not see him give up many baskets or do a particularly poor job of helping on the weak side.

mrknowitall215 · Post #723 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:06 pm

I noticed a nice little wrinkle in the offense where Marvin Williams & MKG switched from the high post to the corner 3. No wonder Williams had a good night, we finally put him in his sweet spot instead of just plugging him in McRoberts' former role

Post #724 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:14 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:I noticed a nice little wrinkle in the offense where Marvin Williams & MKG switched from the high post to the corner 3. No wonder Williams had a good night, we finally put him in his sweet spot instead of just plugging him in McRoberts' former role

Finally? It was our first game?

mrknowitall215 · Post #725 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:20 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I noticed a nice little wrinkle in the offense where Marvin Williams & MKG switched from the high post to the corner 3. No wonder Williams had a good night, we finally put him in his sweet spot instead of just plugging him in McRoberts' former role

Finally? It was our first game?

I didn't see it in the few preseason games I watched, but maybe Clifford was waiting for the regular season (which I doubt). However, it is nice to see them making adjustments to better the players' individual strengths

MasterIchiro · Post #726 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:30 pm

I think the main topic we will gripe about is not Marvin Williams. Some had their hearts set on it. Others may still. I just think it will be something else. If the issues is a PF that fits will Al, maybe Al is more the issue on defense. When his game on offense is not working, it really exposes the warts on defense. Hell, maybe we won't have a major gripe before long.

TheKingofSting · Post #727 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:21 pm

Messy Marv definitely proved me wrong last night. I still wonder in certain matchups how we will work with him on defense like the upcoming Grizzlies game but as long as his offense is anywhere near that level wow!

Braggins · Post #728 » by **Braggins** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:32 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:I think the main topic we will gripe about is not Marvin Williams. Some had their hearts set on it. Others may still. I just think it will be something else. If the issues is a PF that fits will Al, maybe Al is more the issue on defense. When his game on offense is not working, it really exposes the warts on defense. Hell, maybe we won't have a major gripe before long.

If we had a C who could play D I wouldnt have a problem with him. If Marv keeps playing offense like last night my problem will be purely with pairing him next to Al, which is just as much Als fault (if not more). If Al gets back to putting up 20 a night like we all assume then Marv will still be the one that probably needs to change to a different spot in the rotation.

catch20two · Post #729 » by **catch20two** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:35 pm

One game hasn't changed my stance but has made me lighten up on him. I still can't wait for Zeller to replace him in the starting lineup because I think that will make us a better team. Also I still don't like how Cliff just gave him the starting job with no competition just because he's a veteran and Zeller wasn't.

Braggins · Post #730 » by **Braggins** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:36 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:Marvin is the worst interior defender of all of them. There is no denying that. The Bucks team as a whole were scoring around the rim like it was nothing and a couple players got hot from deep despite good perimeter defense.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I focused on Marvin and I did not see him give up many baskets or do a particularly poor job of helping on the weak side.

It wasnt that he was out of position or failing to help. He is actually a smart defender as far as I can tell and is usually in the right spot. The problem is just that you need rim protection and interior defense in this league and neither of our starting frontcourt players offer that. I guess we should be more upset with Al than Marv because Al is just flat out awful on D and didnt bring it on O either.

Elden Payton · Post #731 » by **Elden Payton** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:37 pm

catch20two wrote:One game hasn't changed my stance but has made me lighten up on him. I still can't wait for Zeller to replace him in the starting lineup because I think that will make us a better team. Also I still don't like how Cliff just gave him the starting job with no competition just because he's a veteran and Zeller wasn't.

Marv obviously earned it.

catch20two · Post #732 » by **catch20two** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:54 pm

Sik Infant wrote:
catch20two wrote:One game hasn't changed my stance but has made me lighten up on him. I still can't wait for Zeller to replace him in the starting lineup because I think that will make us a better team. Also I still don't like how Cliff just gave him the starting job with no competition just because he's a veteran and Zeller wasn't.

Marv obviously earned it.

I don't think he earned it but he got it for now. Last night helped his case, Clifford's case, and Cho's case while making me look dumb but it's just one game. I still have my suspiscions and beliefs not to believe in it but I hope it works for as long as it can work because I really don't want to see us struggle.

Elden Payton · Post #733 » by **Elden Payton** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:57 pm

catch20two wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
catch20two wrote:One game hasn't changed my stance but has made me lighten up on him. I still can't wait for Zeller to replace him in the starting lineup because I think that will make us a better team. Also I still don't like how Cliff just gave him the starting job with no competition just because he's a veteran and Zeller wasn't.

Marv obviously earned it.

I don't think he earned it but he got it for now. Last night helped his case, Clifford's case, and Cho's case while making me look dumb but it's just one game. I still have my suspiscions and beliefs not to believe in it but I hope it works for as long as it can work because I really don't want to see us struggle.

You're entitled to your opinion but just remember that it doesn't mean you're right!

Marvin obviously earned his spot or Zeller would have started.

These type of decisions aren't made overnight.

TheKingofSting · Post #734 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:08 pm

I don't like the matchup of him vs Z-Bo although obviously Zach has to come out and guard him on defense.

Winglish · Post #735 » by **Winglish** » Sun Nov 2, 2014 4:27 am

Jazz fan here and I come in peace. I think some folks here are starting to understand who Marvin Williams is. For those who do not...Have you ever seen that episode of Seinfeld where Jerry calls himself "Even Steven" because his life was so balanced between positive and negative? Marvin Williams is Even Steven.

Marvin is a wonderful defender. He is smart. He's active. He maintains good position. Marvin does what every coach wants him to do. That is balanced by the fact that he is just not powerful enough or big enough to play power forward, and his post-injury body lacks the explosion he once had as a small forward.

Same on offense. Marvin shoots solid percentages inside and out. People have to guard him. Marvin passes the ball effectively. He runs the floor. He is not a dominant player, though, and sometimes disappears when he doesn't assert himself. Marvin appears to coast at times.

Marvin Williams = Even Steven

Post #736 » by **JDR720** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:19 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/531979016870572033[/tweet]

Hmmm thats not good

catch20two · Post #737 » by **catch20two** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:41 am

JDR720 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/531979016870572033[/tweet]

Hmmm thats not good

He's just playing his role. The only way he'll get to the free throw line is if someone fouls him shooting a 3 or a loose ball foul on a rebound when we're in the bonus. That stat doesn't concern me.

TheKingofSting · Post #738 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:37 am

Boozer wore him out in the paint.

catch20two · Post #739 » by **catch20two** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:59 am

He's just a stopgap. A rather expensive stopgap tho. I still hate the signing for multiple reasons. At first I thought we paid him 7 mil to backup MKG or start over MKG at SF and that was the reason why I really went in in disgust but when I found out that we were gonna start him at PF I still was mad because I knew he couldn't defend most PFs and he couldn't help Big Al's lack of interior D.

Everyone keep talking about Alfense being the reason we can't play at a faster pace but in reality it's Al's defense and lack of hustle, our perimeter defenders gotta sink in and finish off defensive plays and make sure we secure the rebound before they can leak out. Same with Marvin since he's not that big for a PF we gotta rebound by commitee.

TheKingofSting · Post #740 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:59 am

I think we need a bruiser PF for defense, maybe Cody can get there one day?