Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[13th Man]

Easy , once he starts quote bible verses in his twitter, it means that he is going through turmoil.

Turmoil that is no doubt related to minutes?

Haha exactly. So you're telling me that he was going through turmoil related to minutes when he tweeted this...

"1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 -- Rejoice always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is Gods will for you in Christ Jesus"

ON THANKSGIVING DAY. HE TWEETED A BIBLE VERSE ABOUT GIVING THANKS.

OH NO HE DIDN'T! *going to intentionally skip a few games to avoid the wrath of JLin!

[TinmanZBoy]

I kind of want to create an account on JLin portal and start throwing out rumors that Clifford hates Lin because he is jealous of his hair and that is why he isn't giving him the minutes that he promised him.

man, you are really high now

[Liver_Pooty]

The Lin tweeting Bible verses when he is going through turmoil is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

[MasterIchiro]

Lin is going through marijuana turmoil if anything. His face has that old tired look that Sam Perkins level potheads get.

[TinmanZBoy]

The Lin tweeting Bible verses when he is going through turmoil is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

you know when Jeremy lin farts, it means something

[Not Dead Yet]

This guy sounds like he legit cares about Lin, but hes not blinded by homerism or anything. I basically agree with 95% of the stuff he has said 20 minutes in. Dunno if I can listen to anymore. Bout to put me to sleep.

I made it 17 minutes. Talks way to slow, but I agree with all he said, just like you.

Delurking to express how amazing this whole conversation was. I haven't laughed that hard while reading a forum in a long time. You made me listen for about 10 min at double speed. Not exactly earth shattering, but seemed as sane as can be expected for a person who does 82+ podcasts about every game an NBA player does.

Looking at his videos, the guy averages 2-5k views per Jeremy Lin podcast, which would make him 2-5 times bigger than HiveTalkLive, which is the biggest regular Hornets podcast I'm aware of. That certainly says something about the scale of things. If you use Lin's 1.5M twitter follower number as a proxy for his active fanbase, that works out to 0.1% to 0.2% of his fans being absolutely die-hard fans. When you are getting into tenths of a percent of a fanbase, it is not at all surprising the number of aggressively enthusiastic fans to be found here.

I think I can now look on this with a sort of detached bemusement, so I'll return to lurking. Kudos to the moderators for dealing with it so gracefully.

[fatlever]

Welcome to the board Not Dead Yet. Glad we were able to entertain you today. Keep posting.

[hood30]

One thing that needs to be questioned is Clifford giving P.J Hairston 18 minutes every night...Is P.J Hairston really making a difference? Has he justified his 18-20 minutes per night?..This 18 minutes could be divided in 2 to give Lin and Lamb more minutes..That's an extra 9 minutes for Lin and Lamb...

I understand Clifford stated he starts P.J to keep Batum from guarding the best wing so he can be fresh, but in my opinion, P.J is so weak offensively that I don't believe it is bringing much benefit..The guy is shooting 32%FG and 25% from 3point arc.

I would like to see Clifford end this experiment and try something else but since the team has been winning, I believe that will be used as an excuse to keep the status quo, eventhough I doubt P.J keeping Batum from defending the best wing has much to do with Charlotte records..I believe they'd be as good if Lamb was starting and Lin were to get additional minutes.


Start Lamb at SG and push Lin as the main 6th man and first guard off the bench...That would mean coming in a bit earlier to replace either Kemba or Lamb...whoever is not playing well..That would push Lin's minute closer to 30..and you won't even have to touch Kemba's 40 minutes to give Lin at least 25.

[fatlever]

One thing that needs to be questioned is Clifford giving P.J Hairston 18 minutes every night...Is P.J Hairston really making a difference? Has he justified his 18-20 minutes per night?..This 18 minutes could be divided in 2 to give Lin and Lamb more minutes..That's an extra 9 minutes for Lin and Lamb...

Are you advocating an 8-man rotation?

[Mystical Apples]

One thing that needs to be questioned is Clifford giving P.J Hairston 18 minutes every night...Is P.J Hairston really making a difference? Has he justified his 18-20 minutes per night?..This 18 minutes could be divided in 2 to give Lin and Lamb more minutes..That's an extra 9 minutes for Lin and Lamb...

I understand Clifford stated he starts P.J to keep Batum from guarding the best wing so he can be fresh, but in my opinion, P.J is so weak offensively that I don't believe it is bringing much benefit..The guy is shooting 32%FG and 25% from 3point arc.

I would like to see Clifford end this experiment and try something else but since the team has been winning, I believe that will be used as an excuse to keep the status quo, eventhough I doubt P.J keeping Batum from defending the best wing has much to do with Charlotte records..I believe they'd be as good if Lamb was starting and Lin were to get additional minutes.


Start Lamb at SG and push Lin as the main 6th man and first guard off the bench...That would mean coming in a bit earlier to replace either Kemba or Lamb...whoever is not playing well..That would push Lin's minute closer to 30..and you won't even have to touch Kemba's 40 minutes to give Lin at least 25.

Lengthy preamble but he sticks the landing.

[Not Dead Yet]

Welcome to the board Not Dead Yet. Glad we were able to entertain you today. Keep posting.

I'm far too grumpy to post on a regular basis. I'd be riling up the villagers, we'd be marching around with burning torches and pitchforks looking for Spencer Hawes or Al Jefferson or Tyler Hansbrough. Soon we'd run out of bigs, and you really can't run a team that way.

And, this being the Lin thread, I'll say he's the best backup PG we've had in... well, quite a while. I like him. Not so sure about the hair, but I'll be magnanimous and say he can keep it if it makes him happy.

[bws94]

One thing that needs to be questioned is Clifford giving P.J Hairston 18 minutes every night...Is P.J Hairston really making a difference? Has he justified his 18-20 minutes per night?..This 18 minutes could be divided in 2 to give Lin and Lamb more minutes..That's an extra 9 minutes for Lin and Lamb...

I understand Clifford stated he starts P.J to keep Batum from guarding the best wing so he can be fresh, but in my opinion, P.J is so weak offensively that I don't believe it is bringing much benefit..The guy is shooting 32%FG and 25% from 3point arc.

I would like to see Clifford end this experiment and try something else but since the team has been winning, I believe that will be used as an excuse to keep the status quo, eventhough I doubt P.J keeping Batum from defending the best wing has much to do with Charlotte records..I believe they'd be as good if Lamb was starting and Lin were to get additional minutes.


Start Lamb at SG and push Lin as the main 6th man and first guard off the bench...That would mean coming in a bit earlier to replace either Kemba or Lamb...whoever is not playing well..That would push Lin's minute closer to 30..and you won't even have to touch Kemba's 40 minutes to give Lin at least 25.

Why would anyone want to break up Lin and Lamb. It's the big 2 in Bench Force 1.

Let PJ absorb some fouls and try to hit 3 pointers. He keeps fouls off of Batum, Lamb or Lin. And Cliff sits Lamb or Lin with 2 fouls in the 1st half always it seems. They'd both probably sit more if they started.

[13th Man]

if any Lin fan who think PFV's (self titled "your NBA expert") dissection of Lin's games or his teams' games is deep or balanced, then you probably really don't have depth understanding NBA and basketball
PFV is a good dude though

Oh man, this guy even has haters. LOL.

I am not a hater, like i said PFV is a good dude, but his analysis just does not have depth, that's all

I listened at 1.5 speed which turned his voice tempo to normal He posts regularly on the General Board as HotRocks34 as well a member of an unnamed Rockets board. But I thought this was a good segment. I definitely agree with him that it was one of Jeremy's better games, Lin did so much that went unnoticed even on this forum (barely got any hammers) but was instrumental in bringing the team back from behind. He needs to continue this type of play to earn the coach's trust; play within the team's system and not try to do too much at the wrong times.

[bws94]

Lin did well in the last game. My main issues were his over-helping and giving up 2 open 3s and that's about it. His facilitation was really good. However, in the 2nd half he didn't score. And late in the game he just looked like he didn't really want the ball when passed to him. Cliff didn't let him finish, although it looked like he would. Took him out with about 2 minutes left in the game.

[hood30]

One thing that needs to be questioned is Clifford giving P.J Hairston 18 minutes every night...Is P.J Hairston really making a difference? Has he justified his 18-20 minutes per night?..This 18 minutes could be divided in 2 to give Lin and Lamb more minutes..That's an extra 9 minutes for Lin and Lamb...

I understand Clifford stated he starts P.J to keep Batum from guarding the best wing so he can be fresh, but in my opinion, P.J is so weak offensively that I don't believe it is bringing much benefit..The guy is shooting 32%FG and 25% from 3point arc.

I would like to see Clifford end this experiment and try something else but since the team has been winning, I believe that will be used as an excuse to keep the status quo, eventhough I doubt P.J keeping Batum from defending the best wing has much to do with Charlotte records..I believe they'd be as good if Lamb was starting and Lin were to get additional minutes.


Start Lamb at SG and push Lin as the main 6th man and first guard off the bench...That would mean coming in a bit earlier to replace either Kemba or Lamb...whoever is not playing well..That would push Lin's minute closer to 30..and you won't even have to touch Kemba's 40 minutes to give Lin at least 25.

Why would anyone want to break up Lin and Lamb. It's the big 2 in Bench Force 1.

Let PJ absorb some fouls and try to hit 3 pointers. He keeps fouls off of Batum, Lamb or Lin. And Cliff sits Lamb or Lin with 2 fouls in the 1st half always it seems. They'd both probably sit more if they started.

Lin needs a bit more time on the floor to get some rhythm going and since Kemba minute has increased at the point-guard position, I frankly don't see any other way to give Lin more time...Unless you're advocating keeping his minute at 18-21 range...In this case, I don't think you should complain about his stats...

He's playing under the assumption that unless he knocks his first 2 shots and has no turnover, Kemba will be coming in for him very early in the second quarter..and you know very well he's a confidence player..When he starts looking over his back on whether he's going to get sub, you know his confidence is shot up...I've seen it during his time in L.A and I'm seeing it now.

You could also make a case Lin's declining numbers has to do with how inconsistent his minutes have been...He went from averaging 13ppg to now 10.8ppg...I believe that number will continue to decline unless Cliff stabilizes his minutes...even his shots attempt is declining as Clifford is showing declining trust in him by playing Kemba 40 a night and increasing Lamb's minutes..

[JDR720]

kemba is playing 40mins because he has been playing very good, same with lamb. if lin wants more time he needs to play better, he shouldn't get minutes he doesn't deserve.

[Walt Cronkite]

It's irrelevant, (because Lin's additional minutes should be coming at the expense of PJ being on a more strict limitation instead of Kemba's) but Walker has only twice gone over 38 minutes in games ending in regulation. I mention it only because I was legitimately surprised to see it in his game log based on the way his playtime has been suggested as extreme.

Similarly, in GTs I've seen it suggested that Lin is pulled in the first half if he picks two fouls, but I'm pretty sure Cliff does this with everyone. I think it's an archaic idea to sit a player for the remainder of a half because they've used 1/3rd of their fouls, but I have t observed it being Lin specific. Just throwing it out there because I don't remember it being addressed.

[option_nerd]

kemba is playing 40mins because he has been playing very good, same with lamb. if lin wants more time he needs to play better, he shouldn't get minutes he doesn't deserve.

only if you want play Kemba TO DEATH. that is a lot of wear and tear at the end of the season.

[TinmanZBoy]

It's irrelevant, (because Lin's additional minutes should be coming at the expense of PJ being on a more strict limitation instead of Kemba's) but Walker has only twice gone over 38 minutes in games ending in regulation. I mention it only because I was legitimately surprised to see it in his game log based on the way his playtime has been suggested as extreme.

Similarly, in GTs I've seen it suggested that Lin is pulled in the first half if he picks two fouls, but I'm pretty sure Cliff does this with everyone. I think it's an archaic idea to sit a player for the remainder of a half because they've used 1/3rd of their fouls, but I have t observed it being Lin specific. Just throwing it out there because I don't remember it being addressed.

zeller only played 6 minutes in the first half, he got two fouls too

[hood30]

kemba is playing 40mins because he has been playing very good, same with lamb. if lin wants more time he needs to play better, he shouldn't get minutes he doesn't deserve.

But how come Lin did not get these increased minutes when he was playing better at the start of the season when he had a 21 PER and averaging 13ppg coming off the bench?

He had arguably the best pre-season in the whole league, shooting close to 50%FG and 40% 3 point, but that didn't mean much to Clifford, so I wonder whether Lin's minutes would really increase if he were to average, let's say, 15 point in the next 3 games..He'll probably have to put these numbers under 18-22 minutes range..

From what I've seen, it looks like Clifford has a dead-set amount of minutes he would like to play Lin which is around 18-22 and nothing will get him to budge from it...Every time Lin has played above 25, it was because of injuries......Even when he's played well, that range has remained intact..Even when Lin finished games, his minutes felt under the same range...That is because he comes in late in the first and 3rd quarter, so this fact is stealthily containing his minutes on even good nights.

Lin's minute containment may be because of his turnovers since Clifford is known to have no tolerance for it..But than again, Batum is turning the ball over at an higher rate than Lin...I'm sure it's because they need to keep Batum happy so he can sign next year.