We "Don't" Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread

[DY_nasty]

Uh, Steph Curry???

curry's handles always been legit lol. but when you grow into arguably the best off the dribble shot of all time and one of the best at finishing in the lane as well, defenders gonna be a lot more jumpy than usual. plus its not like he's out here running constant ISOs and getting for a full 48 either. the court he plays on is one of the most stressful to defend in the league

i really think people got this idea that youre handles ain't crazy unless you're dropping people. you don't get chased 5 on 1 for years in college hoops as a ball dominant player without having premier skill with the ball

Nah, Steph Curry didn't have handles. That was the main concern with him and why he went as late as he did. He played SG all through college because they had a really good PG. No one believed Curry could play the PG that is why he came back for his senior season to prove he could play the position. The reviews were mixed with him at the PG spot and of course he got injured so that didn't help at all in terms of learning or improvement.

It wasnt until he spent a few seasons with one of the most rigorous ball handling training that he developed into what you see today. Curry has improved as much if not more than anyone I've ever seen in terms of ball handling.

that was absolutely NOT the main concern with him lol

his skillset wasn't the issue, its that he was frail and unathletic

he played combo/off guard because it was the easiest way to help his team win. dude's gravity was the most ridiculous in the NCAA and him moving to the corner would literally take multiple defenders completely out of the paint. with all the attention on him, his trash team could actually get easy buckets every once in a while - but that absolutely had nothing to do with his ability to handle the ball. it was to give him teammates some sort of rhythm that wouldn't rely on him 100% night in and night out. when he had the ball? he was arguably the best in the nation.

dude was getting nash comparisons coming into the draft

most rigorous ballhandling training? what? they left a take-turns iso offense where he and monta kept falling over each other and transitioned into a team where switches get destroyed in seconds

[catch20two]

The pundits tried to use the fact that Steph played off the ball for the betterment of his team as a way to take a shot at his dribbling ability but they were wrong. They always try to find a way to denounce undersized guards that gain popularity with casual fans and produce at the college level (i.e. Kemba and now Trae Young) but they’ll hype up every player with good measurables and potential.

Monk ain’t no Curry lol. But Monk could be a lethal scorer in this league once the game slow down for him and he create a better shot selection. I think he’ll always be somewhat of a liability defensively throughout his career but he’ll be alright as long as he reach his potential offensively to offset that. There’s plenty of decent sized wings that can’t defend worth a lick in the league with marginal offensive ability. Monk will be able to earn his right and be a mainstay with his skill sets and confidence.

[BeesWax]

curry's handles always been legit lol. but when you grow into arguably the best off the dribble shot of all time and one of the best at finishing in the lane as well, defenders gonna be a lot more jumpy than usual. plus its not like he's out here running constant ISOs and getting for a full 48 either. the court he plays on is one of the most stressful to defend in the league

i really think people got this idea that youre handles ain't crazy unless you're dropping people. you don't get chased 5 on 1 for years in college hoops as a ball dominant player without having premier skill with the ball

Nah, Steph Curry didn't have handles. That was the main concern with him and why he went as late as he did. He played SG all through college because they had a really good PG. No one believed Curry could play the PG that is why he came back for his senior season to prove he could play the position. The reviews were mixed with him at the PG spot and of course he got injured so that didn't help at all in terms of learning or improvement.

It wasnt until he spent a few seasons with one of the most rigorous ball handling training that he developed into what you see today. Curry has improved as much if not more than anyone I've ever seen in terms of ball handling.

that was absolutely NOT the main concern with him lol

his skillset wasn't the issue, its that he was frail and unathletic

he played combo/off guard because it was the easiest way to help his team win. dude's gravity was the most ridiculous in the NCAA and him moving to the corner would literally take multiple defenders completely out of the paint. with all the attention on him, his trash team could actually get easy buckets every once in a while - but that absolutely had nothing to do with his ability to handle the ball. it was to give him teammates some sort of rhythm that wouldn't rely on him 100% night in and night out. when he had the ball? he was arguably the best in the nation.

dude was getting nash comparisons coming into the draft

most rigorous ballhandling training? what? they left a take-turns iso offense where he and monta kept falling over each other and transitioned into a team where switches get destroyed in seconds

He was getting those comparisons after his junior year but after his freshman year nobody was saying that. As someone who watched him play multiple times at Davidson freshman and sophomore years he really worked hard to get to where he was a junior. His freshman year he looked scared to take someone off the dribble because his handles needed work but as he grew and worked it became a vital part of his game. He is living proof that is you put in the work you can make that move.

[DY_nasty]

i should've quantified "at the nba level"

you don't get drafted a bum and significantly improve your ball handling. it almost never happens. outside of kawhi and lowry.... i can't think of anyone.

[BeesWax]

i should've quantified "at the nba level"

you don't get drafted a bum and significantly improve your ball handling. it almost never happens. outside of kawhi and lowry.... i can't think of anyone.

While I don't disagree I think it is something that we will start to see more of as we go on. So many players are getting drafted so young that they are going to have to develop more in the league. The key is going to be the teams surrounding these guys with the people they need to help them develop.

[Robot Rock]

i should've quantified "at the nba level"

you don't get drafted a bum and significantly improve your ball handling. it almost never happens. outside of kawhi and lowry.... i can't think of anyone.

While I don't disagree I think it is something that we will start to see more of as we go on. So many players are getting drafted so young that they are going to have to develop more in the league. The key is going to be the teams surrounding these guys with the people they need to help them develop.

And for them to have coaches with enough sense to play them and help them develop instead of benching them for a has-been or a never-was so as to avoid losing 50 games in a season.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Well coaching aside, anyone want to give odds that Monk is still with the team next year? He's one of the few tradeable assets the front office has to make other deals happen.

[HornetJail]

97%

Our front office might be dumb, but they're not THAT dumb

[Hornet Mania]

60/40 chance Monk is still with us first game of the 18-19 campaign. I doubt his value is very high right now, we're obviously selling low unless we are absolutely positive he sucks or we luck out and some other team values him extremely highly for no reason (i.e. Kings choosing Pels offer for Cousins over all others because they thought Buddy Hield = Steph Curry), so that makes it more likely than not he's with us just for logical reasons.

On the other hand, perhaps Cliff really does think he sucks? Or the new GM does? It's not that implausible, especially if Cliff prefers someone else in particular, or just states flatly Monk won't get playing time in 18-19.

[Robot Rock]

80% of Monk's problems here originate from Cliff. The other 20% come from his foot injury that kept him out of SL.

Would not be shocked to see them trade Monk and Kemba. They're the only two players fans pay to see (save for maybe that one MKG superfan still left).

[Radu_Hornets]

please just read the first sentence of the article: https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Popovich-determined-to-help-youngsters-gain-12748035.php

" Coach Gregg Popovich made it clear Monday he will continue to give his younger players crunch-time minutes even as the Spurs fight for their playoff lives."

[MasterIchiro]

I hate that he's being pigeonholed into backup PG when he's really an undersized scoring Dynamo like CJ McCollum. They need to move a wing to free up minutes. I hope the new GM puts a high priority on Monk.

[catch20two]

I hate that he's being pigeonholed into backup PG when he's really an undersized scoring Dynamo like CJ McCollum. They need to move a wing to free up minutes. I hope the new GM puts a high priority on Monk.

I was cool with Monk being pigeonholed into being our backup PG due to the circumstance that our alternatives were MCW and Stone. Playing some PG would’ve helped his playmaking abilities as experience. The league is becoming positionless and both Monk and Lamb can handle the ball and run PnR so I would’ve been okay with it.

[HoopsMalone]

curry's handles always been legit lol. but when you grow into arguably the best off the dribble shot of all time and one of the best at finishing in the lane as well, defenders gonna be a lot more jumpy than usual. plus its not like he's out here running constant ISOs and getting for a full 48 either. the court he plays on is one of the most stressful to defend in the league

i really think people got this idea that youre handles ain't crazy unless you're dropping people. you don't get chased 5 on 1 for years in college hoops as a ball dominant player without having premier skill with the ball

Nah, Steph Curry didn't have handles. That was the main concern with him and why he went as late as he did. He played SG all through college because they had a really good PG. No one believed Curry could play the PG that is why he came back for his senior season to prove he could play the position. The reviews were mixed with him at the PG spot and of course he got injured so that didn't help at all in terms of learning or improvement.

It wasnt until he spent a few seasons with one of the most rigorous ball handling training that he developed into what you see today. Curry has improved as much if not more than anyone I've ever seen in terms of ball handling.

that was absolutely NOT the main concern with him lol

his skillset wasn't the issue, its that he was frail and unathletic

he played combo/off guard because it was the easiest way to help his team win. dude's gravity was the most ridiculous in the NCAA and him moving to the corner would literally take multiple defenders completely out of the paint. with all the attention on him, his trash team could actually get easy buckets every once in a while - but that absolutely had nothing to do with his ability to handle the ball. it was to give him teammates some sort of rhythm that wouldn't rely on him 100% night in and night out. when he had the ball? he was arguably the best in the nation.

dude was getting nash comparisons coming into the draft

most rigorous ballhandling training? what? they left a take-turns iso offense where he and monta kept falling over each other and transitioned into a team where switches get destroyed in seconds

This evaluation is off by 179%. Its totally fabricated.

Look bro. I played 3 on 3 at Davidson with David Wesley.

I played 2 on 2 and ended up sending Bob McKillops Son to the ground after the 2nd time i blew by him in khakis and he hit me across the face

My best friend in high school/college sister was Conference Player of the Year at Davidson

I paid $80 in parking tickets for the WORST concert ive ever seen. Counting Crows where the lead singer was so f'ed up he spoke poetry instead of singing songs.

I've been around that campus and slept with any girl i thought might have money for a solid 6 years. Maybe, just maybe my evaluation of Curry is more accurate than yours. Kid had zero ballhandling as a junior in college.

If you can come up with a guy who improved his ballhandling more than Steph Curry Ill paypal you $986

[HoopsMalone]

80% of Monk's problems here originate from Cliff. The other 20% come from his foot injury that kept him out of SL.

Would not be shocked to see them trade Monk and Kemba. They're the only two players fans pay to see (save for maybe that one MKG superfan still left).

Okay. I never hit the report button. Thats not my style but dude you are trolling this forum.

80% of Malik Monks' problems are due to Cliff?


Does that sound realistic?


Science tells us that you CAN NOT DEVELOP STRENGTH AND STAMINA AT THE SAME TIME. Which does Monk need more of? Running around doing nothing? Or the strength he needs to defend, penetrate, and contribute on the court.

Cmon Robot Rock. This is getting old dude

[HoopsMalone]

I hate that he's being pigeonholed into backup PG when he's really an undersized scoring Dynamo like CJ McCollum. They need to move a wing to free up minutes. I hope the new GM puts a high priority on Monk.

Again, Monk has zero future as a SG in this league. He has to become a PG to stick, period.

[DY_nasty]

Nah, Steph Curry didn't have handles. That was the main concern with him and why he went as late as he did. He played SG all through college because they had a really good PG. No one believed Curry could play the PG that is why he came back for his senior season to prove he could play the position. The reviews were mixed with him at the PG spot and of course he got injured so that didn't help at all in terms of learning or improvement.

It wasnt until he spent a few seasons with one of the most rigorous ball handling training that he developed into what you see today. Curry has improved as much if not more than anyone I've ever seen in terms of ball handling.

that was absolutely NOT the main concern with him lol

his skillset wasn't the issue, its that he was frail and unathletic

he played combo/off guard because it was the easiest way to help his team win. dude's gravity was the most ridiculous in the NCAA and him moving to the corner would literally take multiple defenders completely out of the paint. with all the attention on him, his trash team could actually get easy buckets every once in a while - but that absolutely had nothing to do with his ability to handle the ball. it was to give him teammates some sort of rhythm that wouldn't rely on him 100% night in and night out. when he had the ball? he was arguably the best in the nation.

dude was getting nash comparisons coming into the draft

most rigorous ballhandling training? what? they left a take-turns iso offense where he and monta kept falling over each other and transitioned into a team where switches get destroyed in seconds

This evaluation is off by 179%. Its totally fabricated.

Look bro. I played 3 on 3 at Davidson with David Wesley.

I played 2 on 2 and ended up sending Bob McKillops Son to the ground after the 2nd time i blew by him in khakis and he hit me across the face

My best friend in high school/college sister was Conference Player of the Year at Davidson

I paid $80 in parking tickets for the WORST concert ive ever seen. Counting Crows where the lead singer was so f'ed up he spoke poetry instead of singing songs.

I've been around that campus and slept with any girl i thought might have money for a solid 6 years. Maybe, just maybe my evaluation of Curry is more accurate than yours. Kid had zero ballhandling as a junior in college.

If you can come up with a guy who improved his ballhandling more than Steph Curry Ill paypal you $986

and i played at jcsu right down the street and scrimmaged with those dudes during the offseason for 2 years nobody cares about resumes. if magic johnson can be wrong as hell with a hall of fame bust, then can so can D1A allstars

once at the nba level, ballhandling almost never significantly improves. you get smarter, learn better footwork, recognize defenses better - but you're not ever going to go from frank ntilikina handles to brandon jennings handles. the best and only real 'recent' example out there at the PG position is kyle lowry and that was years of work with his defense being the main thing keeping him in the league

[Liver_Pooty]

I played on my JV highschool team.

[Robot Rock]

80% of Monk's problems here originate from Cliff. The other 20% come from his foot injury that kept him out of SL.

Would not be shocked to see them trade Monk and Kemba. They're the only two players fans pay to see (save for maybe that one MKG superfan still left).

Okay. I never hit the report button. Thats not my style but dude you are trolling this forum.

80% of Malik Monks' problems are due to Cliff?


Does that sound realistic?


Science tells us that you CAN NOT DEVELOP STRENGTH AND STAMINA AT THE SAME TIME. Which does Monk need more of? Running around doing nothing? Or the strength he needs to defend, penetrate, and contribute on the court.

Cmon Robot Rock. This is getting old dude

If there's anyone who has a right to say i'm trolling this forum, it's definitely not the person who said Monk is the worst player in the NBA this year and is far worse than Michael Carter-Williams. You must've caught an elbow to the eye from David Wesley or something, because no one sees anything that you're talking about except you.

[BeesWax]

80% of Monk's problems here originate from Cliff. The other 20% come from his foot injury that kept him out of SL.

Would not be shocked to see them trade Monk and Kemba. They're the only two players fans pay to see (save for maybe that one MKG superfan still left).

Okay. I never hit the report button. Thats not my style but dude you are trolling this forum.

80% of Malik Monks' problems are due to Cliff?


Does that sound realistic?


Science tells us that you CAN NOT DEVELOP STRENGTH AND STAMINA AT THE SAME TIME. Which does Monk need more of? Running around doing nothing? Or the strength he needs to defend, penetrate, and contribute on the court.

Cmon Robot Rock. This is getting old dude

If I were to hit the report button on one of you two it would not be Rock. Most of the problems of this team can be laid at Cliff's feet. He has been a terrible coach and has lobbied for a ton of the players we have taken then talked them up while they flopped. This season has been a major disappointment and if we don't fire Cliff I can't imagine barring some incredible luck that next season would go any better.