Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

[Hornet Mania]

If he was bricking treys left and right that would be major cause for concern

Wasn't he 1-9 before getting white hot in the 3rd and then finished in the 4th something like 0-5?

Yeah, but he at least presented a credible threat from deep. Shooters are streaky, it happens.

Anyway, I'm not a Kaminsky booster by any means, just happy to see he actually justified some of the stretch 4/5 hype Cho and Cliff have bought into. Still think he's going to be a liability overall, but at least it isn't another case of "Zeller is our stretch 4" followed by months of bricks that make it super obvious we've misjudged a prospect's strengths.

[fatlever]

We all see different things when we watch games and that's what makes discussion fun. I wasn't bothered by his defense at all in the 1st half. I remember several times when he rotated off his man to cut off a driving lane, closed out to a shooter and was generally in the right place at the right time. I remember thinking his defense was clearly better than Jefferson in that area. In the 2nd half, his defense seemed to fall off a bit. Not sure if it was because he was tired, lost focus or lost attention to that end because he was hot offensively. What I saw in the first half showed me that he'll be fine as a team defender. He will never be a weak side help defender and he is going to struggle when he gets pinned down low.

On the positive side, two aspect of his game that are clearly visible in summer league besides his 3pt shooting are passing and ball handling. Those skills will absolutely translate from summer league to the NBA. Its obvious he has high basketball awareness on offense. He keeps the ball moving, sees the floor and makes smart passes. And for a 7-footer he clearly has nice handles. Maybe, not as nice as Vonleh, but better than most 7-footers I've seen.

What I can't tell from summer league is can he rebound in traffic (offensive or defensive), can he defend 1v1 against quicker bigs at the perimeter. Can he score on the block? Can he get to the free-throw line consistently?

[fatlever]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/617561433807699968[/tweet]

Frank Kaminsky said he was talking trash in summer league game and playing with confidence: "I feel like I'm starting over with no respect."

Dude has confidence. I like it.

[yasuhara2241]

Hey all first time poster long time stalker on here. Well let's all be honest, what would we be saying if Vonleh had the exact same stats/game as Frank did? We would be talking about our future Bosh over and over again. So yes Frank was up and down but it was his 1st game.

Overall, I wasn't happy with the pick but I don't care now. He is a Hornet. So I am looking at him not with regret but as our next potential star (got to be hopeful).

Positives: Aggressive Frank in Q3 was fun to watch because it was the stretch 4 we always wanted. Beautiful shooting and it was nice to imagine him spotting up with Big Al commanding a double team.

Negative: Wasn't impressed with Franks defense and passiveness during stretches. A lot is to blame on whoever had the ball the pick and pop or pick and roll didn't work too well because the ball handler kept the rock most of the time. On defense Frank needs to get stronger to guard 5s or he needs to get quicker to guard 4s. I don't know where he fits yet on defense.

[fatlever]

Welcome to the board. What is the significance of your screen name? Just curious.

[yasuhara2241]

It's what my last name would have been if it weren't for a divorce and always thought it was badass so I use it for all my games, forums etc

[HornetJail]

Hey all first time poster long time stalker on here. Well let's all be honest, what would we be saying if Vonleh had the exact same stats/game as Frank did? We would be talking about our future Bosh over and over again. So yes Frank was up and down but it was his 1st game.

Overall, I wasn't happy with the pick but I don't care now. He is a Hornet. So I am looking at him not with regret but as our next potential star (got to be hopeful).

Positives: Aggressive Frank in Q3 was fun to watch because it was the stretch 4 we always wanted. Beautiful shooting and it was nice to imagine him spotting up with Big Al commanding a double team.

Negative: Wasn't impressed with Franks defense and passiveness during stretches. A lot is to blame on whoever had the ball the pick and pop or pick and roll didn't work too well because the ball handler kept the rock most of the time. On defense Frank needs to get stronger to guard 5s or he needs to get quicker to guard 4s. I don't know where he fits yet on defense.

Spot on. Frank has to win me over with consistent play in the actual NBA- not the summer league, where he's playing primarily against D-League competition- but if he does, I'll be the first to eat crow.

[Flip Murray]

Frank looks huge in that tiny gym. Like the jolly green giant. I didnt catch the game but the dude definitely has NBA range. Intriguing at the very least

[Flip Murray]

It's what my last name would have been if it weren't for a divorce and always thought it was badass so I use it for all my games, forums etc

It is pretty badass. Welcome to the board

[yasuhara2241]

It's what my last name would have been if it weren't for a divorce and always thought it was badass so I use it for all my games, forums etc

It is pretty badass. Welcome to the board

Thanks a lot! Being that I always read on here I figure I might as well contribute.

[JDR720]

his defense will probably always be bad, short arms and not a good athlete. i dont know why some think we can get away with a Frank/Cody starting frontcourt, thats asking for trouble IMO.

Defensively they'll be better than any combo involving Al. Cody has become a strong defender pretty quickly. Short arms, but if he puts his athleticism to use it won't matter as much.

maybe, but they would probably be murdered on the boards and any big center with some skill would plow them. at least Al is big enough to bother/move them some.

[MPM]

Hey all first time poster long time stalker on here. Well let's all be honest, what would we be saying if Vonleh had the exact same stats/game as Frank did? We would be talking about our future Bosh over and over again. So yes Frank was up and down but it was his 1st game.

Overall, I wasn't happy with the pick but I don't care now. He is a Hornet. So I am looking at him not with regret but as our next potential star (got to be hopeful).

Positives: Aggressive Frank in Q3 was fun to watch because it was the stretch 4 we always wanted. Beautiful shooting and it was nice to imagine him spotting up with Big Al commanding a double team.

Negative: Wasn't impressed with Franks defense and passiveness during stretches. A lot is to blame on whoever had the ball the pick and pop or pick and roll didn't work too well because the ball handler kept the rock most of the time. On defense Frank needs to get stronger to guard 5s or he needs to get quicker to guard 4s. I don't know where he fits yet on defense.

Spot on. Frank has to win me over with consistent play in the actual NBA- not the summer league, where he's playing primarily against D-League competition- but if he does, I'll be the first to eat crow.

Yep, as always - summer league is summer league. Playing well is no guarantee, but far better than playing poorly. But, McGary is no slouch. Big, athletic, tough NBA defender who seemed pretty engaged yesterday. Nice matchup for Tank to get some run against. Stokes tonight is another nice matchup - young, end of the bench guy but NBA caliber and a bit of a bruiser.

[vorbis]

I agree that with time, defenses in the NBA will force Frank to adjust from his two-pronged let it fly/pump fake, drive left repertoire. BUT, a 7'1" guy who has that kind of range has its own value in a halfcourt offense. will open up space, particularly at the top of the key, for Kemba pick & roll, MKG slash, more breathing room for Al to find shooters or drivers. if a defender has to be in Frank's pocket, that's more space for everybody else. and it's hard to rotate close enough to prevent him an open look if the ball is swinging around adequately as well.

[Braggins]

If he was bricking treys left and right that would be major cause for concern

Wasn't he 1-9 before getting white hot in the 3rd and then finished in the 4th something like 0-5?

Yeah, but he at least presented a credible threat from deep. Shooters are streaky, it happens.

Anyway, I'm not a Kaminsky booster by any means, just happy to see he actually justified some of the stretch 4/5 hype Cho and Cliff have bought into. Still think he's going to be a liability overall, but at least it isn't another case of "Zeller is our stretch 4" followed by months of bricks that make it super obvious we've misjudged a prospect's strengths.

We have the worst player development in the league because our coach wants players to mold their games around his crappy system. This off-season was basically an admission that we can't develop players and our unwilling too imo.

[driveandkick]

I agree that with time, defenses in the NBA will force Frank to adjust from his two-pronged let it fly/pump fake, drive left repertoire. BUT, a 7'1" guy who has that kind of range has its own value in a halfcourt offense. will open up space, particularly at the top of the key, for Kemba pick & roll, MKG slash, more breathing room for Al to find shooters or drivers. if a defender has to be in Frank's pocket, that's more space for everybody else. and it's hard to rotate close enough to prevent him an open look if the ball is swinging around adequately as well.

exactly. can't believe it took so long for this to get brought up. even if Frank isn't drilling threes left and right you have to respect him from out there. and that opens up things for everyone else on our offense. And I'm still hoping he'll be a solid defender in the right scheme.

[Eoghan]

There is no scheme where Kaminsky is a solid defender. He makes Toni Kukoc look like Tony Allen.

[Liver_Pooty]

There is no scheme where Kaminsky is a solid defender. He makes Toni Kukoc look like Tony Allen.

He will be fine as a future center. At the 4? Eh...

[Eoghan]

Way too soft to play Center. He has no position defensively. Has to be handcuffed with a rim protector.

[HornetJail]

Way too soft to play Center. He has no position defensively. Has to be handcuffed with a rim protector.

Good thing we've got Bisma-

F*CK

[teleblaze]

From what I have seen, This guy has role player written all over him, starting from his defense, especially since he is playing center but can't protect the rim, T-rex wingspan.
His offense is fine though, I havn't seen enough of him yet.