Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[Liver_Pooty]

If we were to trade Walker, which I do not want to do I would want a ton back. Mainly because his contract is a steal.

[dmutombo321]

Blow it up!

Trade 1

Cha in: Ricky Rubio, Shabazz Muhammed, Minn 2017 first round pick (unprotected)
Cha out: Kemba Walker, Jeremy Lamb
Why? T-Wolves get a PG that can really play with the rest of their team & a long term backup to Wiggens. Hornets get a guy who can keep running the team the right way during a short rebuild & mentor any PG drafted. Muhammed is an UFA.


Trade 2

Cha in: Jeff Green, Mario Hezonja, Orl 2017 first round pick (top 5 protected)
Cha out: Nic Batum, Treveon Graham
Why? Orlando gets the roster balance they want at the cost of a guy who isn't working out there, a pick, & an expiring. Charlotte gets to see if a change of scenery helps Hezonja and another pick to rebuild.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zrf4mxy


Summer 2017 roster

Released: Green, Sessions, Roberts
Free Agents: Muhammad

PG: Rubio
SG: Belinelli,
SF: MKG, Hezonja, Wood
PF: Marvin, Frank
C: Zeller, Plumlee

Draft picks 2-3 high first rounders depending on where Orlando ends up. Assuming that draft will include a PG & a Wing.


* and for the record I'm not advocating this, but I was wondering what a rebuild might look like. I was looking at what other teams want & guys on this team with trade value. Also considered Marv to Toronto (trade checker didn't like it & I didn't like what they had), Chicago (taking Rondo off their hands for a pick, but not really worth it IMHO), and Portland (not much worth taking back from them).

Good realistic proposals on both counts. Kemba is our most valuable piece and we want to get a good return for him but a lot of people here have belief defying compensation expectations that other teams would laugh at. Your suggestion would represent a fair return for both teams.

Getting a likely 3-6 range pick for him and a solid veteran PG in Rubio and a scorer in Shabazz represents a good return.

Charlotte would continue to limp towards the end of this season (hell, they're crawling already) and even if the Orlando pick doesnt convey this year (which might be preferred if it looses protection next year), we'd still likely have two top 8 picks.

Even if the stud PGs trio of Fultz, Ball and Smith are picked over come draft time, imagine a line up of

Rubio / MCullum / Marco
Josh Jackson / Mario
Tatum / MKG
Marvin / Wood
Frank / Zeller / Miles

+ cap space to add a high dollar Free Agent or two

That group would have a much higher ceiling than this current roster and be much more exciting to watch.

[amcoolio]

Kemba for Simmons. Who says no?

[JDR720]

76ers

[JDR720]

But I'm totally on board with blowing up the team next season if we aren't good. Better to be a bad team than a mediocre one.

[Diop]

I don't think the Minnesota deal is realistic at all, they want to trade away Rubio to allow the rookie to grow into the starting spot, they don't want to trade for another starting point, unless it's a one year stop gap.

[TheKingofSting]

Maybe the Nuggets just wanted the first and will trade or release the good Plumlee. Hopefully Cho has already called Denver.


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[chellis]

I don't think the Minnesota deal is realistic at all, they want to trade away Rubio to allow the rookie to grow into the starting spot, they don't want to trade for another starting point, unless it's a one year stop gap.

Be serious. If given the choice between Dunn or Kemba and you were coach of the Wolves, who would you rather have run the point? Dunn may turn out to be a great player, but you are getting a now All-Star on a team friendly deal in his new cap age. Plus, it's not like Kemba's outside of their age range for competing.

[dmutombo321]

Exactly. The Wolves' original plan at the start of the season was to eventually deal Rubio and turn the team over to Dunn.

Dunn, so far at least, has been a huge disappointment for them however. In the limited minutes he's seen the floor, he's had a PER of 7.5 while shooting 36 % from the field. He may still come around in a couple years if he's a late bloomer but he's nowhere close to taking the reigns right now.

Walker would give them a 26 year old allstar under contract for two more seasons at only 12/mil per.

[chellis]

Blow it up!

Trade 1

Cha in: Ricky Rubio, Shabazz Muhammed, Minn 2017 first round pick (unprotected)
Cha out: Kemba Walker, Jeremy Lamb
Why? T-Wolves get a PG that can really play with the rest of their team & a long term backup to Wiggens. Hornets get a guy who can keep running the team the right way during a short rebuild & mentor any PG drafted. Muhammed is an UFA.


Trade 2

Cha in: Jeff Green, Mario Hezonja, Orl 2017 first round pick (top 5 protected)
Cha out: Nic Batum, Treveon Graham
Why? Orlando gets the roster balance they want at the cost of a guy who isn't working out there, a pick, & an expiring. Charlotte gets to see if a change of scenery helps Hezonja and another pick to rebuild.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zrf4mxy


Summer 2017 roster

Released: Green, Sessions, Roberts
Free Agents: Muhammad

PG: Rubio
SG: Belinelli,
SF: MKG, Hezonja, Wood
PF: Marvin, Frank
C: Zeller, Plumlee

Draft picks 2-3 high first rounders depending on where Orlando ends up. Assuming that draft will include a PG & a Wing.


* and for the record I'm not advocating this, but I was wondering what a rebuild might look like. I was looking at what other teams want & guys on this team with trade value. Also considered Marv to Toronto (trade checker didn't like it & I didn't like what they had), Chicago (taking Rondo off their hands for a pick, but not really worth it IMHO), and Portland (not much worth taking back from them).

I think both deals are quite fair, and helps us to get out of Batum's contract (which I view as an albatross to pay a player who should be a third option for your team...albatross might actually be a bit of an overstatement, but I think you get my point). The deals allow us to still put a decent product on the floor while building for the future. I'm not sure if Minnesota would be excited to give an unprotected first but they do get the best (All-Star) player here. I'd try to push Orlando for only top 3 protection instead of top 5. With that, I'd personally love to see the Hornets target Jonathon Isaac and Justin Patton with those picks. I'd want a PG, but I don't see one worth drafting in those pick slots over other prospects.

[Diop]

Just my personal opinion, but I don't think Minnesota would want Kemba. Doubtful we will ever know. Yes he has scraped into the all star game this year but I don't think he is the play maker they need for that team.

There were a few teams who wanted to give Batum the max, I'm sure we could find a taker if you wanted to offload him.

[chellis]

So I'm bored with work being so slow this morning. Saw a thread on a scenario of "What if PG were to be traded."

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h9hu9jz

Add two firsts from Charlotte (hopefully get a top 3 protection on the 2017 if you're lucky, but doubtful we actually have to use it) and a 2017 first from Orlando (top 5 protected) to Indiana.

Charlotte changes things up with its starting lineup and gets a franchise player in PG. Orlando picks up an All Star and a couple solid rotational players for Ibaka (who we will assume won't resign), Gordon, Payton and Watson. Indy gets a slew of picks, prospects and MKG. Toronto gets their guy in Ibaka they seem to be hot and heavy for.

How far off are we here? Who am I over/under valuing? I'm feeling I'm sending too much out of Orlando, or at least Orlando might feel that way. Is it even enough for Indy?

I'm only looking at value here. Don't freak out. I'm not saying I'd do this deal either. Remember, it's a FAKE TRADE THREAD I'm just spit ballin' here.

[Diop]

Orlando want to send out Ibaka to make Gordon the starter at Pf, so I think they run away

[Diop]

I could see Kemba fitting well in Philly, Simmons is already set to play the Batum role.

Could we scam Saric out of them? Or just Okafor?

[chellis]

I could see Kemba fitting well in Philly, Simmons is already set to play the Batum role.

Could we scam Saric out of them? Or just Okafor?

Not sure how Philly feels about it since they want Simmons running at a point forward. Kemba is best when he's creating. I'd gladly take Saric, Luwawu, Covington, and/or Noel (in any format). Those are the guys I'd target if Philly were a potential trade partner with us.

[Sauce_Castillo]

I could see Kemba fitting well in Philly, Simmons is already set to play the Batum role.

Could we scam Saric out of them? Or just Okafor?

Are you saying that you would be willing to trade Okafor for Kemba straight up, or Okafor and Simmons?

I don't think Okafor will be very good, he is a scoring big of the bench to me, a worse version of Enes Kanter if you ask me.

Saric has been playing really well the last 2 weeks, I am a big fan not sure what it would take to get him, but I think Saric will not be traded.


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[Diop]

Nah, not Okafor alone, would want more as we would suck without Kemba and his modest contract.

Okafor and Saric? Then I might consider.

[chellis]

I could see Kemba fitting well in Philly, Simmons is already set to play the Batum role.

Could we scam Saric out of them? Or just Okafor?

Are you saying that you would be willing to trade Okafor for Kemba straight up, or Okafor and Simmons?

I don't think Okafor will be very good, he is a scoring big of the bench to me, a worse version of Enes Kanter if you ask me.

Saric has been playing really well the last 2 weeks, I am a big fan not sure what it would take to get him, but I think Saric will not be traded.


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He meant Okafor only. He was equating Simmons to playing a similar role to Batum with the Sixers.

[316Hornets]

Lamb + Belli + 2nd round pick for Khris Middleton

We're in a bad position at sg and Lamb and Belli are not the answer.

Then trade Sessions + Williams + 1st round pick for Trevor Booker and Jeremy Lin.

Then trade Plumlee for a bag of potato chips and some fries

[HornetJail]

Lamb + Belli + 2nd round pick for Khris Middleton

for as bad as Rich Cho has **** this team over, he deserves GM of the year if he manages to get that