We "Don't" Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread

Post #741 » by **fatlever** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:17 pm

Six Degrees of Steph Curry, who else wants to play?

You know it's really not that much of a stretch to suggest that monk has been the worst player in the NBA this year. While the worst is probably harsh, he's definitely in that bottom 5% along with MCW.

I don't fault cliff for not playing monk much this year. I do think that both Monk and bacon should have spent a lot more time in Greensboro. I don't understand the point of having a team in Greensboro if we can't trust the coaching staff, that we put there, to develop our young players in the way we want them developed.

Monk clearly wasn't ready this year. Whether that's because he missed summer league in training camp, or because he's mentally or physically not ready, I'm not sure, but I don't think giving him 5 to 10 minutes of game here and there throughout the season would have really made that much of a difference. He's just not ready. Hopefully with a lot of hard work this summer and good health this summer heading into training camp, he can start to take those steps needed to become a rotation player.

Cliff deserves a ton of blame for a lot of things that are wrong with this team, but I don't think monks inability to shoot, or recognize a good shot, are one of them.

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Robot Rock · Post #742 » by **Robot Rock** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:44 pm

Monk has played 20+ minutes in only NINE games.

In those games, he's averaging 12.7 points, 2.3 rebounds and 3.1 assists on 39% shooting. Not great by any measure, but far from the worst player in the league.

When Kemba was a rookie, he played 20+ minutes in 54 of 66 games.

In those games, he averaged 13.5 points, 3.9 rebounds and 4.6 assists on 38% shooting.

Joest2003 · Post #743 » by **Joest2003** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:53 pm

To even look at monks % and numbers right now would be a joke. I wouldn't even consider looking or judging his stats until he's averaging 20+ minutes for at least half a season. He's 19 years old and has never had the chance to get into the rhythm of the game. This kid is special and will be a very very effective player in this league once he goes through the growing pains of the NBA. very very similar to Lambs situation coming into the league but with a higher cieling.

HoopsMalone · Post #744 » by **HoopsMalone** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:34 am

Robot Rock wrote:
HoopsMalone wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:80% of Monk's problems here originate from Cliff. The other 20% come from his foot injury that kept him out of SL.

Would not be shocked to see them trade Monk and Kemba. They're the only two players fans pay to see (save for maybe that one MKG superfan still left).

Okay. I never hit the report button. Thats not my style but dude you are trolling this forum.

80% of Malik Monks' problems are due to Cliff?

Does that sound realistic?

Science tells us that you CAN NOT DEVELOP STRENGTH AND STAMINA AT THE SAME TIME. Which does Monk need more of? Running around doing nothing? Or the strength he needs to defend, penetrate, and contribute on the court.

Cmon Robot Rock. This is getting old dude

If there's anyone who has a right to say i'm trolling this forum, it's definitely not the person who said Monk is the worst player in the NBA this year and is far worse than Michael Carter-Williams. You must've caught an elbow to the eye from David Wesley or something, because no one sees anything that you're talking about except you.

You can not honestly believe that Malik Monk is better than Michael Carter WIlliams right now. That's insane.

HoopsMalone · Post #745 » by **HoopsMalone** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:36 am

Robot Rock wrote:Monk has played 20+ minutes in only NINE games.

In those games, he's averaging 12.7 points, 2.3 rebounds and 3.1 assists on 39% shooting. Not great by any measure, but far from the worst player in the league.

When Kemba was a rookie, he played 20+ minutes in 54 of 66 games.

In those games, he averaged 13.5 points, 3.9 rebounds and 4.6 assists on 38% shooting.

He may not be the worst player in the league in terms of TALENT but he is the worst in terms of IMPACT on the game.

And none of those stories were boasting about any of my very non illustrious playing career. I'm saying I have enough ties to Davidson to know that Steph Curry couldn't handle the ball his junior year of college. That was the #1 concern on him. Too small to play SG, not enough ballhandling to play PG

He's put more work into improving than perhaps anyone in league history since he became a pro. Have you ever seen his dribbling regimen? It's insane.

Robot Rock · Post #746 » by **Robot Rock** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:23 pm

HoopsMalone wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:
HoopsMalone wrote:

Okay. I never hit the report button. Thats not my style but dude you are trolling this forum.

80% of Malik Monks' problems are due to Cliff?

Does that sound realistic?

Science tells us that you CAN NOT DEVELOP STRENGTH AND STAMINA AT THE SAME TIME. Which does Monk need more of? Running around doing nothing? Or the strength he needs to defend, penetrate, and contribute on the court.

Cmon Robot Rock. This is getting old dude

If there's anyone who has a right to say i'm trolling this forum, it's definitely not the person who said Monk is the worst player in the NBA this year and is far worse than Michael Carter-Williams. You must've caught an elbow to the eye from David Wesley or something, because no one sees anything that you're talking about except you.

You can not honestly believe that Malik Monk is better than Michael Carter WIlliams right now. That's insane.

You're in a lonely army in believing MCW is a better overall player than Monk. I'd say it's you, Steve Clifford, and MCW's mom. I'd bet MCW's girlfriend knows Monk is better.

I've seen every game Monk has played this year and in no way, shape or form is his defense remotely as bad as you've said. His shot selection needs work, but he's a 19-year-old rookie. What 19-year-old rookie doesn't need work on something? What 19-year-old rookie who missed camp, missed SL and never gets to play doesn't need work on something? Doesn't mean he's gonna be out of the league in a year or so.

Your intense dislike of him clouds your judgment, and personally, I feel like someone needs to independently review some of the things you've said in this thread. Your internal reviews of your posts have been a bit wanting...

Post #747 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:26 pm

Let's move on folks. Not worth arguing over whether MCW or Monk is the worst or only just really bad.

HoopsMalone · Post #748 » by **HoopsMalone** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:35 am

Lol... rookie of the year... in playoff rotations 2 of the last 3 years...

MCW is what he is. A low-end backup. He's more suitable in a third PG role, particularly given his health history. He came around quite a bit as the season went on but you guys had already soured so much on him you didnt notice.

Monk has been one of the least effective players in league history thus far. He has absolutely zero body of work to get behind. He's a prospect that slipped numerous picks in the draft and couldn't crack the rotation for a team that is going to miss the playoffs by ten games.

I'm not sure why in the world anyone thinks playing Monk would have helped us win games this year... and why me stating this obvious fact means I am "Anti-Monk". I loved the Malik Monk pick. I havent given up on him. But im more than willing to admit its time to start getting nervous. I cant see him being a positive contributor on his rookie deal. Rotation player possibly, but not a net positive player. At that point we'll be left with a difficult decision on whether we should extend his deal.

He's a total project at this point. But his floor appears to be much lower than we originally thought.

Robot Rock · Post #749 » by **Robot Rock** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:58 am

Is there an IMPACT measurement? Does the Hoops Malone IMPACT measurement say that every missed MCW layup negatively affects Monk's IMPACT?

Post #750 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:54 am

Guys. Stop.

Robot Rock · Post #751 » by **Robot Rock** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:59 am

yosemiteben wrote:Guys. Stop.

Isn't this a Malik Monk thread?

HoopsMalone · Post #752 » by **HoopsMalone** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:01 am

Be done. - YB

Robot Rock · Post #753 » by **Robot Rock** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:03 am

Be done. - YB

Eoghan · Post #754 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:49 am

Aw, c'mon. This argument is more entertaining than watching the Hornets play at least.

Robot Rock · Post #755 » by **Robot Rock** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:13 am

Eoghan wrote:Aw, c'mon. This argument is more entertaining than watching the Hornets play at least.

There's a bit of over-moderation going on. I (kind of) understand not liking it when people argue, but this is a player thread on a message board. it's kind of designed for just that.

Considering the small amount of discussion we seem to be getting on here if game threads are any indication, nipping even more of it in the bud just because it annoys a moderator just seems to go against the whole concept of a message board. YMMV...

Robot Rock · Post #756 » by **Robot Rock** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:21 am

Monk had 7 points and 4 rebounds tonight. If he played 15-20 minutes a game, I'd put more into his +/- stats over the season. But when 85% of his games have been garbage-time, it's hard to blame him for jacking up threes as the other team's backups make an extra hoop or two.

Hope this didn't offend anyone...

Post #757 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:40 pm

Robot Rock wrote:
Eoghan wrote:Aw, c'mon. This argument is more entertaining than watching the Hornets play at least.

There's a bit of over-moderation going on. I (kind of) understand not liking it when people argue, but this is a player thread on a message board. it's kind of designed for just that.

The name calling and insults got out of line. You were both just repeating the same things over and over again mixed in with insults. Feel free to complain to other mods via PM or to Howard if you think I was being unfair.

Post #758 » by **fatlever** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:25 pm

Robot Rock wrote:Monk has played 20+ minutes in only NINE games.

In those games, he's averaging 12.7 points, 2.3 rebounds and 3.1 assists on 39% shooting. Not great by any measure, but far from the worst player in the league.

When Kemba was a rookie, he played 20+ minutes in 54 of 66 games.

In those games, he averaged 13.5 points, 3.9 rebounds and 4.6 assists on 38% shooting.

in 20 games with 15+ mins he is shooting 33%.

Post #759 » by **fatlever** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:32 pm

HoopsMalone wrote:Lol... rookie of the year... in playoff rotations 2 of the last 3 years...

MCW is what he is. A low-end backup. He's more suitable in a third PG role, particularly given his health history. He came around quite a bit as the season went on but you guys had already soured so much on him you didnt notice.

Monk has been one of the least effective players in league history thus far. He has absolutely zero body of work to get behind. He's a prospect that slipped numerous picks in the draft and couldn't crack the rotation for a team that is going to miss the playoffs by ten games.

I'm not sure why in the world anyone thinks playing Monk would have helped us win games this year... and why me stating this obvious fact means I am "Anti-Monk". I loved the Malik Monk pick. I havent given up on him. But im more than willing to admit its time to start getting nervous. I cant see him being a positive contributor on his rookie deal. Rotation player possibly, but not a net positive player. At that point we'll be left with a difficult decision on whether we should extend his deal.

He's a total project at this point. But his floor appears to be much lower than we originally thought.

I'm not sure how anyone can be upset with most of this post. it's a totally reasonable take on the situation, minus the few over-the-top phrases such as "in league history" and "absolutely zero body of work".

bottom line:
MCW currently bad, monk currently bad
monk pick concerning thus far
neither player would help us win, both help us lose

Robot Rock · Post #760 » by **Robot Rock** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:41 pm

fatlever wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:Monk has played 20+ minutes in only NINE games.

In those games, he's averaging 12.7 points, 2.3 rebounds and 3.1 assists on 39% shooting. Not great by any measure, but far from the worst player in the league.

When Kemba was a rookie, he played 20+ minutes in 54 of 66 games.

In those games, he averaged 13.5 points, 3.9 rebounds and 4.6 assists on 38% shooting.

in 20 games with 15+ mins he is shooting 33%.

Yeah, I said he needs to work on shot selection. But we wanted MKG to keep shooting well into his fourth season when he was still struggling, so let’s give Malik more than 20 games.

Also, your point means that his shooting gets better with more playing time.