Fake Trade Thread #6

[HornetJail]

centers that seem kind of attainable and we can match using only Micic (in order of contract value, not how much i want them):
Isaiah Stewart
Mitchell Robinson
Wemby
Holmes
Steven Adams
Time Lord
Wendell Carter
Mo Wagner
Valanciunas
Bitadze
Landale
Paul Reed
Drummond
Drew Eubanks
Dwight Powell
Dayron Sharpe

players spotrac listed at PF that could maybe masquerade as a center
Olynyk
Portis
Brandon Clarke
Larry nance Jr
Kleber
Boucher
Zeke Nnaji
Jalen Smith
Dario Saric

If we don't trade for one we're not trying

[MasterIchiro]

Portis is a terrible defender, yes he brings some offense but he is more of a Montrezl Harrell type of player.

15% EPM on defense last year.

Mark is the rim protector. When they play small, Portis is not expected to be Mark on defense. He is expected to rebound like Mark, closing out possessions on defense. Portis just had a game with 18 rebounds.

But the core value of Portis is spacing the floor on offense as a small ball center, something neither Mark nor Nick can do.

You don't want Portis so you can drop it.

I've explained why I want Portis. So I'm done. No need to repeat myself. And I've heard your side.

Have a nice evening.

You can like the trade, I made one comment about Portis being a bad defender lol... Not sure what caused you to spin into hyperbole demanding I drop it, saying you're done, not repeating yourself etc..

Portis is good player, I highly doubt they would consider moving him for a few 2nds unless they were completely tearing the team apart post Giannis trade. No world they are moving Portis for a worse version of him in Boucher and telling Giannis we are retooling around you.

Not going to comment on your new added twist re: the Bucks side. As for the original reply to me, I've explained my justification for Hornets side.

[Rich4114]

centers that seem kind of attainable and we can match using only Micic (in order of contract value, not how much i want them):
Isaiah Stewart
Mitchell Robinson
Wemby
Holmes
Steven Adams
Time Lord
Wendell Carter
Mo Wagner
Valanciunas
Bitadze
Landale
Paul Reed
Drummond
Drew Eubanks
Dwight Powell
Dayron Sharpe

players spotrac listed at PF that could maybe masquerade as a center
Olynyk
Portis
Brandon Clarke
Larry nance Jr
Kleber
Boucher
Zeke Nnaji
Jalen Smith
Dario Saric

If we don't trade for one we're not trying

None of these realistic targets are world beaters, but damn I'm sure we could get them without giving up much. Or just sign someone like Biz or ffs even Frank Kaminsky or Willy at this point.

Also someone above mentioned a frp for John Collins. I think he'd be good on this team, but no way am I giving a frp unless it's heavily protected. That's not a good contract and he takes parts of the season off.

I think the Wizards specifically signed Valenciunas to use him in a trade later on. We should've just signed him outright, but I mean... would they not deal him for NSJ and some seconds?

[Rich4114]

If we're going to realistically compete this year (and I'm not 100% convinced we will) then I think we need to consider dealing NSJ while he still has some value. With Mann emerging, he'll surely be signed to a long term deal after this season (better be by us at least) and I don't see NSJ ever getting meaningful mins without injuries or some kind of major trade.

Given he's only in year 2, I think his value is still going to be somewhat there but I think if we go the rest of this season with him just playing garbage mins or GBO mins then his value diminishes a lot.

[MasterIchiro]

If we're going to realistically compete this year (and I'm not 100% convinced we will) then I think we need to consider dealing NSJ while he still has some value. With Mann emerging, he'll surely be signed to a long term deal after this season (better be by us at least) and I don't see NSJ ever getting meaningful mins without injuries or some kind of major trade.

Given he's only in year 2, I think his value is still going to be somewhat there but I think if we go the rest of this season with him just playing garbage mins or GBO mins then his value diminishes a lot.

I think Mann will run the second unit as primary playmaker. So, NSJ still fits at SG even with a bigger contract to Mann. I think their styles are compatible because both play quick and have playmaking skills. Quickness helps diversify the offense and gives us options.

As far as pushing this year, yes, I'd deal NSJ for that reason but I would profile vet targets who still have a good 5 years left. One example is targeting Portis at 29, WCJ at 25 over Lopez at 36 or Val (32).

The goal should be to invest both short term and long term. I don't like Val as a longterm investment.

[MasterIchiro]

Now that the Pistons have Paul Reed to back up Duren, while signing Tobias Harris as PF, any interest in Beef Stew as C2?

[JustBuzzin]

Now that the Pistons have Paul Reed to back up Duren, while signing Tobias Harris as PF, any interest in Beef Stew as C2?

Yep another guy who wont take any crap and stick up for his teammates. Any guy who can bring toughness and physicality is fine with me.

The guy I want is John Collins. I really like his versatility he can play pf/c and he can stretch the floor.

I wonder if we can get a deal done with Grant for Collins. Might have to add something else.

[Liver_Pooty]

Now that the Pistons have Paul Reed to back up Duren, while signing Tobias Harris as PF, any interest in Beef Stew as C2?

Yep another guy who wont take any crap and stick up for his teammates. Any guy who can bring toughness and physicality is fine with me.

The guy I want is John Collins. I really like his versatility he can play pf/c and he can stretch the floor.

I wonder if we can get a deal done with Grant for Collins. Might have to add something else.

I would never do that. Grant has the pulse of the locker room and is our leader. Something we've lacked for years.

[Diop]

I’d like Beef Stew but I think Pistons like him too. Maybe Bridges goes on a scoring spree and Detroit decide they want him.

Stew and Hardaways expiring for miles and Richards?

Stew can shoot the 3 now and would be a solid 4, 5.

Not sure if I’d bite, but I’d think about it

[MasterIchiro]

Thus far my targets for a 4/5 are Bobby Portis and Beef Stew. I think Beef Stew would be most expensive.

Hornets would have to come up with one 1st round pick for either player. So if that is the baseline requirement for an opening bid, I prefer Stew since he's younger and locked up longer. I would even include NSJ if they take Micic and Jeffries who are both dead weight 2 and 3 years respectively.

I came up with a cheap target - Chris Boucher. He is on an expiring deal. If they take Micic and Jeffries we would have to attach some draft capital. Because they are a deep rebuild team, maybe we could get away with trading some combination of our distant 2nd round picks:

2028 LAC 2nd swap rights (Plumlee trade)
2029 Nuggets 2nd (Reggie Jackson)
2030 Nuggets 2nd (Reggie Jackson)

Boucher is a career 34% from 3, rebounds 10 per 36, shoots FT at .776 and can protect the rim. He's 31. Maybe he's a guy you retain but if you let him walk, you have 10 million cap to reinvest in the roster. That 10 million can go towards a pay raise for Tre Mann above his 4.9 million salary = 15 million for Tre Mann.

[realEAST]

Hi guys, just interested in gauging value of some of your bench players, namely V. Micic and C. Martin, would you be interested in moving one or both of them, and what would your asking price would be for each of them and for both of them together.

From Mavericks perspective, would Kleber be an interesting piece (I saw you looking for stretch 4/5 in previous posts) as a starting point, and what picks should be added (something like Exum, Kleber, pick ? for Martin, Micic)?

Thanks

[MasterIchiro]

Hi guys, just interested in gauging value of some of your bench players, namely V. Micic and C. Martin, would you be interested in moving one or both of them, and what would your asking price would be for each of them and for both of them together.

From Mavericks perspective, would Kleber be an interesting piece (I saw you looking for stretch 4/5 in previous posts) as a starting point, and what picks should be added (something like Exum, Kleber, pick ? for Martin, Micic)?

Thanks

Martin is integral to team ID on defense along with Josh Green. Since this young core is playing together continuously for the first time, culture is critical.

So, I don't see Martin/Green/Grant being available ahead of role players who do not fit the current growth model.

Micic is one of those.

I think the Hornets would approve an even swap of Micic for Kleber.

[yosemiteben]

Yeah Kleber for Micic makes a ton of sense.

[Goodecharlotte]

If it was the Micic of last year I would reluctant to trade him, he was a really good floor general but this years Micic has been awful and would trade him for a bucket of popcorn

[luciano-davidwesley]

Thus far my targets for a 4/5 are Bobby Portis and Beef Stew. I think Beef Stew would be most expensive.

Hornets would have to come up with one 1st round pick for either player. So if that is the baseline requirement for an opening bid, I prefer Stew since he's younger and locked up longer. I would even include NSJ if they take Micic and Jeffries who are both dead weight 2 and 3 years respectively.

I came up with a cheap target - Chris Boucher. He is on an expiring deal. If they take Micic and Jeffries we would have to attach some draft capital. Because they are a deep rebuild team, maybe we could get away with trading some combination of our distant 2nd round picks:

2028 LAC 2nd swap rights (Plumlee trade)
2029 Nuggets 2nd (Reggie Jackson)
2030 Nuggets 2nd (Reggie Jackson)

Boucher is a career 34% from 3, rebounds 10 per 36, shoots FT at .776 and can protect the rim. He's 31. Maybe he's a guy you retain but if you let him walk, you have 10 million cap to reinvest in the roster. That 10 million can go towards a pay raise for Tre Mann above his 4.9 million salary = 15 million for Tre Mann.

Does anyone know why Jeffries has a three year contract? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Knicks merely resigned him on a vet minimum contract this offseason for salary matching purposes for the KAT/Randle trade. Why the additional two years lol? We didn't get much back in the trade to take on this dead weight for 3 years.

[HornetJail]

Thus far my targets for a 4/5 are Bobby Portis and Beef Stew. I think Beef Stew would be most expensive.

Hornets would have to come up with one 1st round pick for either player. So if that is the baseline requirement for an opening bid, I prefer Stew since he's younger and locked up longer. I would even include NSJ if they take Micic and Jeffries who are both dead weight 2 and 3 years respectively.

I came up with a cheap target - Chris Boucher. He is on an expiring deal. If they take Micic and Jeffries we would have to attach some draft capital. Because they are a deep rebuild team, maybe we could get away with trading some combination of our distant 2nd round picks:

2028 LAC 2nd swap rights (Plumlee trade)
2029 Nuggets 2nd (Reggie Jackson)
2030 Nuggets 2nd (Reggie Jackson)

Boucher is a career 34% from 3, rebounds 10 per 36, shoots FT at .776 and can protect the rim. He's 31. Maybe he's a guy you retain but if you let him walk, you have 10 million cap to reinvest in the roster. That 10 million can go towards a pay raise for Tre Mann above his 4.9 million salary = 15 million for Tre Mann.

Does anyone know why Jeffries has a three year contract? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Knicks merely resigned him on a vet minimum contract this offseason for salary matching purposes for the KAT/Randle trade. Why the additional two years lol? We didn't get much back in the trade to take on this dead weight for 3 years.

S&T's are always a minimum of 3 years long, but only 1 year is actually guaranteed.

The fact he wasn't waived along with Charlie Brown and Duane Washington despite being injured (and that he was announced to be part of the trade early on in that process) leads me to believe we actually kinda wanted to see Jeffries in action.

He's not trade eligible till January anyway, by which time we may actually have a full center rotation again.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Thus far my targets for a 4/5 are Bobby Portis and Beef Stew. I think Beef Stew would be most expensive.

Hornets would have to come up with one 1st round pick for either player. So if that is the baseline requirement for an opening bid, I prefer Stew since he's younger and locked up longer. I would even include NSJ if they take Micic and Jeffries who are both dead weight 2 and 3 years respectively.

I came up with a cheap target - Chris Boucher. He is on an expiring deal. If they take Micic and Jeffries we would have to attach some draft capital. Because they are a deep rebuild team, maybe we could get away with trading some combination of our distant 2nd round picks:

2028 LAC 2nd swap rights (Plumlee trade)
2029 Nuggets 2nd (Reggie Jackson)
2030 Nuggets 2nd (Reggie Jackson)

Boucher is a career 34% from 3, rebounds 10 per 36, shoots FT at .776 and can protect the rim. He's 31. Maybe he's a guy you retain but if you let him walk, you have 10 million cap to reinvest in the roster. That 10 million can go towards a pay raise for Tre Mann above his 4.9 million salary = 15 million for Tre Mann.

Does anyone know why Jeffries has a three year contract? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Knicks merely resigned him on a vet minimum contract this offseason for salary matching purposes for the KAT/Randle trade. Why the additional two years lol? We didn't get much back in the trade to take on this dead weight for 3 years.

S&T's are always a minimum of 3 years long, but only 1 year is actually guaranteed.

The fact he wasn't waived along with Charlie Brown and Duane Washington despite being injured (and that he was announced to be part of the trade early on in that process) leads me to believe we actually kinda wanted to see Jeffries in action.

He's not trade eligible till January anyway, by which time we may actually have a full center rotation again.

Ok so the final two years are not guaranteed. All good!

[KembaWalker]

If Melo is actually this good right now, we might not have time for ownerships 32 part plan to global supremacy. This dude is on a different timeline than the rest of the team. Kemba was a nice guy that gave us his whole prime while we did basically nothing to help him but it’s a capitalistic society and LaMelo is not Kemba..the dude would stand to multiply his earning value exponentially in another market playing like this.

It just logically makes no sense to sit there with an all NBA caliber player and doddle along waiting 4 years and collecting late lottery picks. Pacers went and got Siakam for Hali, Wolves got Gobert for Ant. What are we going to do for Melo?

[wilson115]

Trade Brandon Miller and a **** ton of future draft capital obviously. The only route available if a) you believe everyone else on the roster is garbage and b) you accept(-?) every other NBA FO is at least as competent as yourself about marking NBA talent and whatever.

[yosemiteben]

If Melo is actually this good right now, we might not have time for ownerships 32 part plan to global supremacy. This dude is on a different timeline than the rest of the team. Kemba was a nice guy that gave us his whole prime while we did basically nothing to help him but it’s a capitalistic society and LaMelo is not Kemba..the dude would stand to multiply his earning value exponentially in another market playing like this.

It just logically makes no sense to sit there with an all NBA caliber player and doddle along waiting 4 years and collecting late lottery picks. Pacers went and got Siakam for Hali, Wolves got Gobert for Ant. What are we going to do for Melo?

Melo just turned 23, just started his extension, and he hasn't been able to stay healthy. A big win for this season is getting him through it healthy. I think we should focus on that. Obviously we're not going to collect draft picks the next 4 years, not sure why you are arguing against that strategy.