The Trade Thread

catch20two · Post #761 » by **catch20two** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:26 am

Higgins: Bobcats 'Very Active' Ahead Of Trade Deadline

The Charlotte Bobcats are open to making a move before the Feb. 21 deadline.

“We’re very active – our owner wants us to be active,’’ Bobcats president of basketball operations Rod Higgins said.

Higgins said owner Michael Jordan has given Higgins and general manager Rich Cho “the green light to go out and make this team better…I don’t think there’s any limits to what we’d try to do.’’

Cho identified rebounding as an area of need.

“We need more help rebounding,” Cho said. “For now that has to be by committee. That’s something we’re going to address, whether through the trade deadline or through the draft.’’

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... e_Deadline

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/0 ... -make.html

HornetJail · Post #762 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:36 am

Encouraging. Hopefully our emphasis on rebounding points the compass toward Cousins, not Gay.

MasterIchiro · Post #763 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:39 am

I hope the compass points at both.

Liver_Pooty · Post #764 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:46 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
James Gatz wrote:
Nanogeek wrote:What would the Gay trade be? We know Hollinger loves MKG. MKG+ Diop for Gay? I'm not sure I'd want to trade for Gay if I had to give up MKG or a valuable pick.

That wouldn't work out salary wise. If there was going to be a trade it would be Ben Gordon + some combination of picks and Hendo.

I'd be all for Gordon + Hendo + POR + DET if Cho can pull it off.

While were at it lets just give Memphis MKG and Biyombo with free car washes for the entire city of Charlotte to get a player who has one of the 5 worst contracts in the league.

Talk about giving up a great future expiring and two pretty decent picks and role player for a guy who hasn't even made an all star team here.

I wouldn't mind having him, but thats just absurd.

MasterIchiro · Post #765 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:49 am

Well how high do you think the DET and POR picks will be?

POR is going to be around 15.

DET pick will be outside the top 10 in 2014 albeit in a deeper draft.

To me it's Gordon, Henderson and a couple bench players for the best pure scorer in the history of this Bobcats franchise.

Liver_Pooty · Post #766 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:52 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Well how high do you think the DET and POR picks will be?

POR is going to be around 15.

DET pick will be outside the top 10 in 2014 albeit in a deeper draft.

To me it's Gordon, Henderson and a couple bench players for the best pure scorer in the history of this Bobcats franchise.

The Detroit pick could be something special. The Portland pick not so much.

HornetJail · Post #767 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:53 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Well how high do you think the DET and POR picks will be?

POR is going to be around 15.

DET pick will be outside the top 10 in 2014 albeit in a deeper draft.

To me it's Gordon, Henderson and a couple bench players for the best pure scorer in the history of this Bobcats franchise.

J-Rich?

Liver_Pooty · Post #768 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:54 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Well how high do you think the DET and POR picks will be?

POR is going to be around 15.

DET pick will be outside the top 10 in 2014 albeit in a deeper draft.

To me it's Gordon, Henderson and a couple bench players for the best pure scorer in the history of this Bobcats franchise.

Plus Gordon will be a pretty good expiring next season.

MasterIchiro · Post #769 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:57 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Well how high do you think the DET and POR picks will be?

POR is going to be around 15.

DET pick will be outside the top 10 in 2014 albeit in a deeper draft.

To me it's Gordon, Henderson and a couple bench players for the best pure scorer in the history of this Bobcats franchise.

The Detroit pick could be something special. The Portland pick not so much.

I would like to believe that. But I worry about their beastly frontcourt. What if they luck out in the lottery in 2013 and add Mclemore or Shabazz? The pick is top-8 protected in 2014 and DET is currently tied for 8th in 2013. That teams going to improve with Drummond.

Eoghan · Post #770 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:32 am

If we trade for Gay, there has to be some ulterior motive. Otherwise, Cho is bound and gagged in a closet somewhere.

HornetJail · Post #771 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:33 am

BrotherDave wrote:If we trade for Gay, there has to be some ulterior motive. Otherwise, Cho is bound and gagged in a closet somewhere.

If bringing in Marc Gasol along with him is the ulterior motive, only then does a Gay trade make sense.

catch20two · Post #772 » by **catch20two** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:38 am

Some of us are really underrating Rudy Gay. In this upcoming weak draft whomever we draft we can only hope becomes as good as Gay is right now and even if any of them do happen to peak him it will take at least 3 years before they do so.

Post #773 » by **BigSlam** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:58 am

catch20two wrote:Some of us are really underrating Rudy Gay. In this upcoming weak draft whomever we draft we can only hope becomes as good as Gay is right now and even if any of them do happen to peak him it will take at least 3 years before they do so.

$18 million dollars...........

MasterIchiro · Post #774 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:03 am

Well I hope Cho can pounce with the same laser-like precision he did when he took the Ben Gordon contract and gouged the Pistons for their first round pick. If Memphis is anywhere near as desperate then I have faith Cho can add Gay in a way that works to our advantage. If he can dump Tyrus Thomas, it works. If he can dump Gordon and get them to settle for 2 mid-round firsts, that also works. My thinking is the Grizz will demand MKG and if they do, Cho would probably dump Thomas on them.

So the Bobcats could dump their worst contract and add Rudy Gay all in the same trade.

Now I know MKG has great upside and fans want to be here to witness him realize it, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around why anyone would so adamantly oppose addition of Gay and subtraction of Tyrus Thomas - in one move.

catch20two · Post #775 » by **catch20two** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:04 am

BigSlam wrote:
catch20two wrote:Some of us are really underrating Rudy Gay. In this upcoming weak draft whomever we draft we can only hope becomes as good as Gay is right now and even if any of them do happen to peak him it will take at least 3 years before they do so.

$18 million dollars...........

$18 million dollars is a problem when you have at least 2 other players on your roster that are deserving of all-star money and don't know how you're going to re-sign them. Fortunately for us all of our best players are on rookie contracts.

Eoghan · Post #776 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:07 am

catch20two wrote:Some of us are really underrating Rudy Gay. In this upcoming weak draft whomever we draft we can only hope becomes as good as Gay is right now and even if any of them do happen to peak him it will take at least 3 years before they do so.

I think we're rating a guy that averages 17.6 ppg on 42% shooting and 31% from three in 36 mpg pretty realistically.

I swear Higgins must be the real life version of Principal Lewis from American Dad

catch20two · Post #777 » by **catch20two** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:08 am

Do anybody think Eric Gordon is worthy of a max contract? I know I don't, but his ability score 20 points a night even if it's volume shooting instantly has taken the Hornets from the one of the worst teams in the league into one of the hottest teams in the NBA. That's exactly the same impact that I believe a borderline All-Star like Rudy Gay could have on our team.

MasterIchiro · Post #778 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:14 am

catch20two wrote:Do anybody think Eric Gordon is worthy of a max contract? I know I don't, but his ability score 20 points a night even if it's volume shooting instantly has taken the Hornets from the one of the worst teams in the league into one of the hottest teams in the NBA. That's exactly the same impact that I believe a borderline All-Star like Rudy Gay could have on our team.

That's a major point being browsed over in this discussion. Gordon and Gay are lightening rods for opposing defense and that opens up the floor for their teammates and translates into wins. They are the equivalent of the slugger hitting cleanup. Opposing pitchers squander energy pitching around them and are weaker when facing the rest of the surrounding hitters. You have to have somebody like that on the floor and I'm thinking ownership doesn't want to wait another 2-3 years for it to happen. The more I ponder it, the more I believe this trade is going down.

catch20two · Post #779 » by **catch20two** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:16 am

BrotherDave wrote:
catch20two wrote:Some of us are really underrating Rudy Gay. In this upcoming weak draft whomever we draft we can only hope becomes as good as Gay is right now and even if any of them do happen to peak him it will take at least 3 years before they do so.

I think we're rating a guy that averages 17.6 ppg on 42% shooting and 31% from three in 36 mpg pretty realistically.

You say all of that but he's the leading scorer on a team that has the 5th best record in the NBA.

HornetJail · Post #780 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:17 am

BrotherDave wrote:
catch20two wrote:Some of us are really underrating Rudy Gay. In this upcoming weak draft whomever we draft we can only hope becomes as good as Gay is right now and even if any of them do happen to peak him it will take at least 3 years before they do so.

I think we're rating a guy that averages 17.6 ppg on 42% shooting and 31% from three in 36 mpg pretty realistically.

Factor in below average defense, average rebounding, average shot selection, and average passing ability and his insane long-term, bloated contract, and a lot of you guys are still overrating him. I view him as a negative asset.

I swear Higgins must be the real life version of Principal Lewis from American Dad