Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

[mrknowitall215]

A lot of overexaggerations about Kaminsky's defense. I watched & re-watched today's summer league game and Kaminsky played a key role in protecting the rim, altering shots, and shooting the gap defensively during that comeback when everything intensified, but it's as if everyone want to ignore the times he do play solid defense to push home the agenda on what may be a weakness. We all know that Kaminsky isn't a rim protector or shot blocker, and neither is most power forwards, but I've liked what I've seen from him defensively from a team standpoint. He rotates well, and he know where to be, kind of similar to Josh McRoberts during his Bobcats' tenure

[Liver_Pooty]

A lot of overexaggerations about Kaminsky's defense. I watched & re-watched today's summer league game and Kaminsky played a key role in protecting the rim, altering shots, and shooting the gap defensively during that comeback when everything intensified, but it's as if everyone want to ignore the times he do play solid defense to push home the agenda on what may be a weakness. We all know that Kaminsky isn't a rim protector or shot blocker, and neither is most power forwards, but I've liked what I've seen from him defensively from a team standpoint. He rotates well, and he know where to be, kind of similar to Josh McRoberts during his Bobcats' tenure

Precisely. He does nothing at all fancy on the defensive end, but hes in the right place at the right time more often than not.

[mrknowitall215]

From what I have seen, This guy has role player written all over him, starting from his defense, especially since he is playing center but can't protect the rim, T-rex wingspan.
His offense is fine though, I havn't seen enough of him yet.

Kaminsky was drafted to play PF for Charlotte, and I don't think they're initially expecting anything more than him being a solid role player that'll mesh well with Kemba & MKG as a stretch 4 that'll provide spacing and has a high enough BBIQ to know where to be on the floor and avoid bad shot selection. The expectations of Kaminsky is that of a role player from the former Bobcats PF Josh McRoberts to premier stretch 4 Ryan Anderson

[Liver_Pooty]

From what I have seen, This guy has role player written all over him, starting from his defense, especially since he is playing center but can't protect the rim, T-rex wingspan.
His offense is fine though, I havn't seen enough of him yet.

Except he isn't going to be playing center with the exception of perhaps a couple minutes a game.

[teleblaze]

From what I have seen, This guy has role player written all over him, starting from his defense, especially since he is playing center but can't protect the rim, T-rex wingspan.
His offense is fine though, I havn't seen enough of him yet.

Except he isn't going to be playing center with the exception of perhaps a couple minutes a game.

Is he quick enough to play the PF though in todays game?
if a team goes small you switch him to center right?

[Liver_Pooty]

From what I have seen, This guy has role player written all over him, starting from his defense, especially since he is playing center but can't protect the rim, T-rex wingspan.
His offense is fine though, I havn't seen enough of him yet.

Except he isn't going to be playing center with the exception of perhaps a couple minutes a game.

Is he quick enough to play the PF though in todays game?
if a team goes small you switch him to center right?

Maybe. Or you can risk it and exploit his height advantage on offense. He runs up and down the floor very, very well, so its not like its Roy Hibbert out there hobbling around like a half dead animal.

I think he will be fine at either the 4 or 5. Is he going to be a role player? Eh, perhaps. But a guy that is 7'1 who can stroke the deep ball like he can effortlessly is always a luxury. And with his basketball IQ Im not that worried about his defense.

[Eoghan]

I hate the McRoberts comparisons, their games are very dissimilar.

[Liver_Pooty]

I hate the McRoberts comparisons, their games are very dissimilar.

Agreed.

[mrknowitall215]

I hate the McRoberts comparisons, their games are very dissimilar.

Agreed.

The comparison isn't as much in their style of play as much as the role they'll play in Clifford's offense. I think Kaminsky is better suited to succeed in that role than McRoberts was

[InProblematique]

For what it's worth, I think the people who are being hyper-critical of Frank are being as "irrational" as the people who are showing glimmers of excitement.

At least the people being excited are still being cautious about it. The people who are being critical are being extreme to the point where it's silly.

[Flip Murray]

I don't know why people are so up in arms over Frank's defense right now. He was the 9th pick not the 1st. Everybody picked in that range has some flaws in their game. You're just nitpicking for the sake of it. Right now to me it looks like he can definitely shoot and move. He just needs to get stronger.

[Flip Murray]

a radio caller compared him to Mike Dunleavy today. I think that takes the cake for me.

[HornetJail]

I don't know why people are so up in arms over Frank's defense right now. He was the 9th pick not the 1st. Everybody picked in that range has some flaws in their game. You're just nitpicking for the sake of it. Right now to me it looks like he can definitely shoot and move. He just needs to get stronger.

We're worried about his defense because we drafted him despite already having Al Jefferson on the roster, trading for Spencer Hawes, and letting Bismack Biyombo walk for chump change. Zeller is the only plus defender in the team's big man rotation.

[catch20two]

I hate the McRoberts comparisons, their games are very dissimilar.

They're kinda similar to me minus the hops. They both excel in pick n pop. They both like to pump fake and drive to one side all the time. They both have nifty ballhandling skills for a 7ft white guy. They both can shoot. Just Kaminsky is better. Mcbob might be a better passer tho.

[Flip Murray]

I don't know why people are so up in arms over Frank's defense right now. He was the 9th pick not the 1st. Everybody picked in that range has some flaws in their game. You're just nitpicking for the sake of it. Right now to me it looks like he can definitely shoot and move. He just needs to get stronger.

We're worried about his defense because we drafted him despite already having Al Jefferson on the roster, trading for Spencer Hawes, and letting Bismack Biyombo walk for chump change. Zeller is the only plus defender in the team's big man rotation.

Well I'm not that worried about Frank's defense specifically. For all his flaws the one thing we know about Clifford is he can coach D. This man coached a team with Al Jefferson at center to a top 5 defense. We've also got MKG and Batum who are capable of covering so many flaws for other guys. He doesn't need to be able to block shots he just need to defend the pick and roll well.

I think you'll find that the benefits on offense of replacing Hendo and Biz with Batum and Kaminsky far outweigh the marginal defensive losses. We will be worse on defense, but the offensive improvements make up for it.

Biz got signed for 2 years 6 million. That's less than chump change. Obviously not many NBA teams found him to be very valuable.

[yosemiteben]

I hate the McRoberts comparisons, their games are very dissimilar.

They're kinda similar to me minus the hops. They both excel in pick n pop. They both like to pump fake and drive to one side all the time. They both have nifty ballhandling skills for a 7ft white guy. They both can shoot. Just Kaminsky is better. Mcbob might be a better passer tho.

Yeah, doesn't seem like too unusual of a comparison to me.

A big difference is that McRoberts was not a perimeter shooter in college, and it took six seasons for him to attempt at least 1 three per game. He really broke out with his outside shot for us. I expect Frank to shoot as much from distance as a rookie as McRoberts did in 2013-14.

I know we like to talk a lot about McRoberts's passing, and he was impressive for us, but he did not put up particularly impressive assist stats in the league until our 2013-14 season.

Also interesting to note that Frank has a standing reach that is 3" longer than McRoberts.

[catch20two]

I hate the McRoberts comparisons, their games are very dissimilar.

They're kinda similar to me minus the hops. They both excel in pick n pop. They both like to pump fake and drive to one side all the time. They both have nifty ballhandling skills for a 7ft white guy. They both can shoot. Just Kaminsky is better. Mcbob might be a better passer tho.

Yeah, doesn't seem like too unusual of a comparison to me.

A big difference is that McRoberts was not a perimeter shooter in college, and it took six seasons for him to attempt at least 1 three per game. He really broke out with his outside shot for us. I expect Frank to shoot as much from distance as a rookie as McRoberts did in 2013-14.

I know we like to talk a lot about McRoberts's passing, and he was impressive for us, but he did not put up particularly impressive assist stats in the league until our 2013-14 season.

Also interesting to note that Frank has a standing reach that is 3" longer than McRoberts.

Exactly. They are similar and are gonna be even more similar in Cliff's mundane system. They aren't a dead on comparison but they fit the mold.

Now Zeller and Mcbob are very dissimilar and are polar white opposites in almost every facet of their game.

[olive_triangurl]

Is there any chance Frank becomes a 20+ppg scorer?

[countryboi]

Is there any chance Frank becomes a 20+ppg scorer?

it depends on how good a shooter he is in real games....if he shoots anywhere near as well as he does in the summer league its possible.

[mrknowitall215]

Is there any chance Frank becomes a 20+ppg scorer?

Of course there's a chance even though it's unlikely. Kaminsky doesn't have an aggressive approach towards scoring, which makes it unlikely, but if that's his intentions and he put the work in during a particular offseason it is possible. Unlikely though considering his conservative nature on the offensive end

15-17 points round off to 20 points