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[HornetJail]

Damn, I didn't even know he had a player option. I hope we realize how dumb we were last summer and offer him a contract.

[yosemiteben]

After seeing our team's paint defense and rebounding without Biz (or MKG), no way would I want to allocate $10MM of our space next summer to someone limited to Biz's skillset.

That value would be worth it for a team that struggles in those areas and has ample offensive playmakers to offset Biz's inability to generate offense. That's not us.

[JDR720]

I think Biz could average a double double with very solid paint defense. 10 million would be a fair deal, especially when other centers like him (Festus, Chandler etc.) are getting or will get big money.

I dont think the "we have good paint d and rebounding already" argument is a good one, biz would probably be our best player at both (definitely rebounding) and he is a good fit with our other "stretch bigs" + Lin and Nic can throw him lobs.

we wont sign him though, but he is the type of center i think we need.

[yosemiteben]

I dont think the "we have good paint d and rebounding already" argument is a good one, biz would probably be our best player at both (definitely rebounding) and he is a good fit with our other "stretch bigs" + Lin and Nic can throw him lobs.

I agree that he would probably be our best player at those skills. My point is why pay for someone who has a niche skillset in the things we are already dominant in. We objectively do have top tier paint D and defensive rebounding already and always have under Cliff, and we have maintained that standing despite two seasons where we have had constant injuries to our best players.

When I look at this team, I see a need for playmakers and facilitators and guys that can spread the floor. I see a ball dominant PG that struggles to balance a scoring skillset with involving his team. I see long term roles for two guys that are excellent defensively and on the boards and for which we have a wave of euphoria every time they make a jumpshot (MKG and Cody). We already have the best defensive rebounding team in the league every year. We already limit shots in the paint more than nearly every other team in the league every year, and those couple teams that allow fewer shots than us also give up a higher percentage on those shots than we do. We need guys that compliment our existing roster, not guys that create redundancies in areas that we excel in.

[JDR720]

I think you should always be looking to upgrade the team, i dont think it matters that we are already good in whatever area it is. If you can upgrade at a reasonable price i think you should do it. Obviously certain things are higher on the list, like passing and playmakers but that would be harder and probably more expensive than upgrading our center position with a Biz-like center.

We have 3-4 of our "future" starting lineup in place (Kemba,MKG,Frank and Nic if he stays) the only one left is center, you more than likely aren't going to find a playmaking center unless you want Noah or think we can get a Gasol or Horford and "stretch C's" are very rare.

So in order to get more/better playmakers and shooters, we would have to redo the bench and possibly tinker with the starters on the perimeter.

[yosemiteben]

I think you should always be looking to upgrade the team, i dont think it matters that we are already good in whatever area it is If you can upgrade at a reasonable price i think you should do it. Obviously certain things are higher on the list, like passing and playmakers but that would be harder and probably more expensive than upgrading our center position with a Biz-like center.

You are essentially saying let's ignore our strengths and just add someone that in a void brings value because he does things well that are undervalued in the market. I can see that perspective, but don't agree with it.

We have 3-4 of our "future" starting lineup in place (Kemba,MKG,Frank and Nic if he stays) the only one left is center, you more than likely aren't going to find a playmaking center unless you want Noah or think we can get a Gasol or Horford and "stretch C's" are very rare.

His injuries definitely worry me, but I'd much prefer Noah over someone like Biz.

I don't want to commit to anyone that is going to reduce the offensive effectiveness of that core, because I think consistent offense is going to be the primary issue with that group. For whatever value Biz brings in sometimes finishing off a roll, you lose at least that much value IMO by his complete inability to pass or be effective away from the basket.

[JDR720]

You are essentially saying let's ignore our strengths and just add someone that in a void brings value because he does things well that are undervalued in the market. I can see that perspective, but don't agree with it.

We have 3-4 of our "future" starting lineup in place (Kemba,MKG,Frank and Nic if he stays) the only one left is center, you more than likely aren't going to find a playmaking center unless you want Noah or think we can get a Gasol or Horford and "stretch C's" are very rare.

His injuries definitely worry me, but I'd much prefer Noah over someone like Biz.

I don't want to commit to anyone that is going to reduce the offensive effectiveness of that core, because I think consistent offense is going to be the primary issue with that group. For whatever value Biz brings in sometimes finishing off a roll, you lose at least that much value IMO by his complete inability to pass or be effective away from the basket.

Not really, we can always improve even in areas we are strong in. I think a center rotation of Cody/Biz is much better than a rotation of Cody/Hawes. Hawes is a better passer and shooter, but Biz is better at everything else. We have enough offense (when the team is healthy) to offset any offensive difference between the two, and Biz is much more efficient than Hawes is.

I would rather have a healthy Noah type than a Biz type center too, neither one of them can score but one can pass very well and both can rebound. now if we're talking about this current injury prone Noah, i would easily take Biz over him i dont want to add more injury problems to our roster.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I like Biz. I hope he does well for himself.

I don't think that Kemba is the right PG for him nor was Cliff the right coach for him. Happens. Doesn't mean that Cliff and Kemba are bad/evil/etc. It was just something that wasn't going to work here.

[TinmanZBoy]

Goatbrook is cooking 22/16/14 and zero turnover....oh my

[BlackOutBuzz]

Goatbrook is cooking 22/16/14 and zero turnover....oh my

And Curry is 10-14 on 3s in a somehow close game with Washington.

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[fatlever]

I thought I was doing pretty good with my fanduel lineup until I saw the Westbrook, Wall, Durant, Oladipo and Curry stat lines - had none of them in my lineup. Westbrook's line is ridiculous. And what is it with the Magic and Thunder games? Both have been sick this year.

[BlackOutBuzz]

So officially no Hornets in the All-Star festivities (Jordan can't like that). Just announced the 3-point, Skills, and Dunk rosters and nada. Plus no Frank (or PJ) in the Rising Stars game, but that was announced earlier.

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[BigSlam]

So officially no Hornets in the All-Star festivities (Jordan can't like that). Just announced the 3-point, Skills, and Dunk rosters and nada. Plus no Frank (or PJ) in the Rising Stars game, but that was announced earlier.

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Guessing he'd like it even less if it happens when Charlotte hosts the ASW.


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[BigSlam]

Draymond Green has to be a lock for MiP this season.

I mean, he was good last season (particularly the playoffs, but what he's doing this season is nuts.


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[BlackOutBuzz]

So officially no Hornets in the All-Star festivities (Jordan can't like that). Just announced the 3-point, Skills, and Dunk rosters and nada. Plus no Frank (or PJ) in the Rising Stars game, but that was announced earlier.

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Guessing he'd like it even less if it happens when Charlotte hosts the ASW.


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Of course, but I read earlier in the year that the team was really hoping to build some momentum with Batum and/or Kemba making the team or at least participating.

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[PG13]

So officially no Hornets in the All-Star festivities (Jordan can't like that). Just announced the 3-point, Skills, and Dunk rosters and nada. Plus no Frank (or PJ) in the Rising Stars game, but that was announced earlier.

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How are the participants selected anyway? Houston has a guard in the skills challenge three years in a row(Lin, Beverley, Beverley). Harden is in the 3-point even though he's shooting only 34.9%.

[BlackOutBuzz]

So officially no Hornets in the All-Star festivities (Jordan can't like that). Just announced the 3-point, Skills, and Dunk rosters and nada. Plus no Frank (or PJ) in the Rising Stars game, but that was announced earlier.

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How are the participants selected anyway? Houston has a guard in the skills challenge three years in a row(Lin, Beverley, Beverley). Harden is in the 3-point even though he's shooting only 34.9%.

I'm sure the NBA just invites certain players they think will generate the best ratings. So star and/or large market players are gonna be more likely to participate. It is what it is but I half expected to see Kemba in the usually-PG-heavy skills competition, but this year they gave half the spots to bigs.

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[LofJ]

So officially no Hornets in the All-Star festivities (Jordan can't like that). Just announced the 3-point, Skills, and Dunk rosters and nada. Plus no Frank (or PJ) in the Rising Stars game, but that was announced earlier.

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Guessing he'd like it even less if it happens when Charlotte hosts the ASW.


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Of course, but I read earlier in the year that the team was really hoping to build some momentum with Batum and/or Kemba making the team or at least participating.

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Almost everything about all-star weekend is a joke. The only year I will ever care about it is next year. And that's solely because it will be in Charlotte.

[Eoghan]

I thought I was doing pretty good with my fanduel lineup until I saw the Westbrook, Wall, Durant, Oladipo and Curry stat lines - had none of them in my lineup. Westbrook's line is ridiculous. And what is it with the Magic and Thunder games? Both have been sick this year.

Orlando really matches up well with OKC for some reason.

[2k15]

i watched the suns rockets game last night because boredom. holy ****, the suns are bad. zero ball movement on offense, zero effort on defense. even the sixers played better than that when i watched them a couple of weeks ago. i dont know if you can blame hornacek for this **** though, the gm is the one who traded dragic, brokeup the morris twins and basically imploded the team.