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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#761 » by BigSlam » Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:55 pm

316Hornets wrote:Anybody think this is the year we might actually get a gem because Jordan doesn't have the NCAA Tournament hero to drool over? Most drafts, it seems like Jordan always wants the guy who shines in the Tournament and it turns into a massive flop.

I’d been thinking about that as well.

This year is the year scouts are REALLY going to earn their keep because they have such limited data to go on.

Orrrrrrrr...

Scouts will have more of an excuse if they wiff on their pick and will be able to use the excuse of not having enough data to go on?


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Post#762 » by No-Man » Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:55 pm

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Fischella wrote:Edwards is def ready for being a big net negative player in the NBA as a rookie yes, just because he is more develop physically it doesn't mean that he is NBA ready

Ant is a good prospect (I have him 5th) but he is def nowhere near NBA ready

Everyone thinking that Minnesota is taking him doesn't really know how that FO works and what Gersson Rosas is about


I feel like if Edwards played on a team like Duke, people would call him the next Zion. You have to realize that a player of Edward's caliber, taking inefficient shots sometimes is the best possible decision when playing on a team with little talent.

If Edwards ends up on a team like ours, I expect him to struggle a little bit as he'll have to be a primary scorer. If he goes to a team like the Timberwolves? He will have great opportunity to shine because teams have to respect D'Angelo and KAT.

You can feel whatever you may like, Edwards is nowhere near Zion when it comes to understanding basketball and knowing how to play

Edwards is going to be a flashy inefficient losing player as a rookie wherever he goes
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Post#763 » by BigSlam » Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:57 pm

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Fischella wrote:I follow the draft very close, I have seen Luka live since he was 15-16, I called Doncic's draft the Luka draft by the time he was 17, it is not a tiring viewpoint, everything was obvious in HIS case, not all of them, all the stats (future WAR etc) and the tape

Tiring or not, it was reality, calling it a swing it's just dumb, it was a surefire move

Luka's case is not comparable at all to Rubio, Mayo, Barnes, like at all

So you’re smarter and more tuned in than every other owner/GM/front office in the entire NBA other than the Mavs.

Nice work. Hope you got your medal.


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No man, I am just smarter than Vlade Divac, the Phoenix Suns and Travis Schlenk that have all proven to be very dumb and bad at this over the years

Don’t sell yourself short. While you are beating your chest you might as well pound on it.

You are smarter and more tuned in than all front offices excluding the Mavs. Because if any of the other front offices were as smart and tuned in as you they would have given up every single asset they had to move up to draft Doncic.

You are a basketball and draft genius.


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Post#764 » by No-Man » Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:00 pm

No man, every other front office didn't have the resources to make that move cause the Hawks wanted Trae Young who wasn't falling past 6th

But you can't add the Grizzlies cause they didn't have a future pick to trade (was Boston's, this year 14th) so maybe you can add the Magic yeah, which, I'd accept, they have also been pretty terrible
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Post#765 » by BigSlam » Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:54 pm

Fischella wrote:No man, every other front office didn't have the resources to make that move cause the Hawks wanted Trae Young who wasn't falling past 6th

But you can't add the Grizzlies cause they didn't have a future pick to trade (was Boston's, this year 14th) so maybe you can add the Magic yeah, which, I'd accept, they have also been pretty terrible

Why are you wasting your time posting on an internet message board?

Why aren’t you in a front office? With your genius and how tuned in you are along with your ability to identify “sure things” when they are 16/17 you should be a GM - or head of scouting for a team at the very least.

You are found money to an NBA team!!!


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Post#766 » by No-Man » Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:57 pm

Everyone who had followed Luka close enough and knew how the NBA works would've identified him as a surefire franchise player
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Post#767 » by BigSlam » Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:09 pm

Fischella wrote:Everyone who had followed Luka close enough and knew how the NBA works would've identified him as a surefire franchise player

Genius.


*You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every other professional NBA front office





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Post#768 » by No-Man » Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:13 pm

That's exactly the opposite of what I am saying, but you go
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Post#769 » by BigSlam » Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:28 pm

Fischella wrote:That's exactly the opposite of what I am saying, but you go

Can’t wait for your to share your 2023 “surefire” prospects with us.

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Post#770 » by Soul Rebel » Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:38 pm

Is it wrong to think that Edwards is a bit like Harden when the latter was coming out of Arizona St.

Both are/were 19 years old, 6'5" around 220-225 pounds, both are/were great at getting to the rim, scoring and IQ with question marks about lethargic play and/or an inconsistent motor. Both schools that they played for are not considered 'powerhouses' and are overshadowed by the more visible schools (Duke, UK, Kansas, UNC, Michigan St., etc.)

Essentially guys that have the talent, skillset and high ceiling, but a matter of them flipping the switch in order to be that dominant player that they are capable of being.

I will say, I don't really recall Harden having as many games where he disappeared or what Edwards called "bad games" while the former was at ASU.
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Post#771 » by No-Man » Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:00 pm

BigSlam wrote:
Fischella wrote:That's exactly the opposite of what I am saying, but you go

Can’t wait for your to share your 2023 “surefire” prospects with us.

Go for it!!!


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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#772 » by BigSlam » Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:02 pm

Fischella wrote:
BigSlam wrote:
Fischella wrote:That's exactly the opposite of what I am saying, but you go

Can’t wait for your to share your 2023 “surefire” prospects with us.

Go for it!!!


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Genius.


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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#773 » by SLugger3K » Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:21 pm

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Post#774 » by BigSlam » Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:16 pm

SLugger3K wrote:Knicks
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Wrong thread


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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#775 » by BlackOutBuzz » Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:00 pm

BigSlam wrote:
Fischella wrote:
BigSlam wrote:Can’t wait for your to share your 2023 “surefire” prospects with us.

Go for it!!!


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Genius.


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I mean, Fisch knows his stuff though. Believe he's worked (works?) with The Stepien. And the Luka thing isn't really revisionist, every draft-head was clamoring for this guy. Mike Schmitz went on ESPN after the lottery and was just preaching the gospel of Doncic. Basically pleading with the Suns not to **** up. But they couldn't resist the homegrown college star - who is good - but Ayton ain't Luka. And then Sacramento took Bagley, I don't know what happened there.

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Post#776 » by No-Man » Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:04 pm

Schmitz actually had Ayton nº1 and defended that opinion so he is not excused, that was the front they presented, they can tell that they didn't know, or whatever but it'd be a lie

Divac hates Doncic's dad guts and didn't want to take a guy who would take the ball from Fox kinda
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Post#777 » by stinger14 » Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:50 pm

What is everyones opinion on Cassius Stanley in the 2nd round? Guy is 6'6" wing (SG) with outstanding athletecism, in fact he broke Zion's school record for Vertical jump. As a Freshman he shot 47% overall, 36% from behind the arc, and 74% from the FT line. He was also a very good defender as a Freshman. This is a guy with a lot of potential if things go right for him.
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#778 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:45 pm

Fischella wrote:Edwards is going to be a huge negative for a couple years I really don't understand why in the world anyone thinks he is more NBA ready, he has no clue about playing basketball, his floor is also obviously lower, he could def bust completely

But hey, you think going up for Doncic was a swing when he was the most obvious nº1 pick since LeBron and a surefire NBA stud since he was like 17 basically, so... I guess I get it

I disagree I think Wiseman goes #2 in the end, he shouldn't but he will, I think Charlotte ends up with Edwards, and yeah, I'd take Toppin too, over all of them but LaMelo


What's stopping the Warriors from taking Toppin over Wiseman? Toppin seems more like their kind of player and seems to fit their system.
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Post#779 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:55 pm

Soul Rebel wrote:Is it wrong to think that Edwards is a bit like Harden when the latter was coming out of Arizona St.

Both are/were 19 years old, 6'5" around 220-225 pounds, both are/were great at getting to the rim, scoring and IQ with question marks about lethargic play and/or an inconsistent motor. Both schools that they played for are not considered 'powerhouses' and are overshadowed by the more visible schools (Duke, UK, Kansas, UNC, Michigan St., etc.)

Essentially guys that have the talent, skillset and high ceiling, but a matter of them flipping the switch in order to be that dominant player that they are capable of being.

I will say, I don't really recall Harden having as many games where he disappeared or what Edwards called "bad games" while the former was at ASU.


It's not a bad take I don't think. But I distinctly remember watching Harden and being blown away by how he handled the ball and could get anywhere on the floor he wanted. He's so freaking crafty and he has that ball on a string. Edwards has upside in every category but I don't see a franchise player. I see a number two scorer on a highly competitive playoff team. Boing!
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Post#780 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:57 pm

SLugger3K wrote:Knicks
Mitch, DSJ, and the #8
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Hornets
#3 & Monk


I vomited. We can sign WCS for season tickets. DSJ is gonna flame out. Monk is filling out and rising. The gap between 3 and 8 is the Grand Canyon. H to the ell NO!

Barrett for 3 if Ball is there.
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